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Mother pushes both her children off Boston parking garage roof, then leaps to her death in double murder-suicide after an "argument with her husband"

raffu280

December 27, 2019
124 upvotes
/r/MensRights
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7828553/Pictured-Mom-killed-children-double-murder-suicide.html
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Title Mother pushes both her children off Boston parking garage roof, then leaps to her death in double murder-suicide after an "argument with her husband"
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raffu280

Upvotes 124
Comments 41
Date December 27, 2019 4:45 AM UTC
(6 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/eg6hrf/mother_pushes_both_her_children_off_boston/
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Comments

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points32 points 6 years ago* (29 children) | Copy Link

It's sad. Women are very much more likely to kill their children over men, which really negates the whole argument that they're the better caretaker. That said, the article kind of pissed me off when it started delving into how her struggles needed help before it got to that point. No shit? More than that, where's the daily articles about men killing themselves and the help they need. Oh wait, it's a woman, so it's newsworthy now.

Edit: looks like women are only slightly more inclined to kill their babies.

[–]Macismyname 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It's sad. Women are very much more likely to kill their children over men,

I really wonder if that's true or if its like the "women are safer drivers" statistic. On principle I want to believe that both men and women are equally capable of being shitty people, be that as shitty drivers or as shitty child murderers.

But men do get in far more car accidents than women, and women murder more babies. The former, we know is because men spend VASTLY more time driving than women on average. As far as the latter, we also know women spend VASTLY more time around children both professionally and as primary care providers.

It would be interesting to see if we lived in a more equal society then would these statistics would come closer together.

[–]SweatyAdvance4 points 6 years ago* [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

But men do get in far more car accidents than women

This is only part of the story. Men drive WAY more miles than women, so of course they cause more accidents.

Do some research. The results may surprise you.

[–]Macismyname 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Go back and reread my post.

The results may surprise you.

[–]huxepenner -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Mainly boy racers. Plus as sweaty said men drive a lot more than women so statistically they are of course going to be more likely be involved in something.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Mainly boy racers.

The percentage of accidents caused lines up with the percentage of miles driven.

[–]huxepenner 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the "women are safer drivers" statistic comes from the fact there are so many boy-racers who have accidents. I've been driving for over a decade and I think if you don't include the boy-racers then men are definitely safer drivers than women. Men are more observant, better at judging speed and distances, less likely to drive into the back of someone, and I've seen countless women drive whilst half-looking at the road and half-looking at themselves in the rear-view mirror for vanity reasons etc.

[–]Benito_Mussolini -3 points-2 points-1 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Mothers are JUST as likely to commit filicide as the father FYI. Although the father was accused of homicide more than the mothers.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Got statistics for that? I'm pretty sure I recently saw statistics where women were 2x - 3x more likely to commit filicide.

[–]Benito_Mussolini 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-02-08/mothers-murdering-their-children-on-the-rise-domestic-filicide/10793162

Plenty of other sources out there as well. This is a solid look at it for AUS but I saw another study of 2014 that had similar numbers. Father's certainly get accused of filicide more though.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Ty. Looks like it's slightly higher for mother's and oddly has been increasing in recent years. I wonder what's causing that incline.

[–]SPoopa83 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Custody arrangements. Men are becoming more aware of their rights and fighting harder and winning more.

ETA. That’s my guess, based on the articles associated with stories like this. No solid evidence.

[–]Secure-Lab -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

Overall women are the better caretakers and nurturers by virtue of their female sex. I don't think it's fair or productive to say women aren't better nurturers because of a very small minority of women who kill their children. You're trying to take away any goodness of the female human person and that's not a profitable endeavor. Women and men can be equally bad and equally good.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

There's nothing that proves that women are better caretakers. Unless you have data to back that up. The neurological changes that happen when a human becomes a parent, happens to both men and women.

I would wager that women are perceived to be the better caretaker because of the expectation that men are the bread winner, and thus not at home as much.

[–]Secure-Lab -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

There are studies about brain changes in women, especially when they hear babies cry. I don't have them at my fingertips but you can look them up.

My question is, do you believe women are good for anything? Or are we simply leeches that can be done away with? Because as a stay at home mom and homemaker it stings a little bit for someone to suggest I have little to no unique aspects to my role as mother and wife that can't be replaced simply because some women are capable of evil.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

There are studies about brain changes in women, especially when they hear babies cry.

That is what babies do for women, not what women do for babies.

[–]Secure-Lab 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Okay, so what I'm getting here is that women are always awful and useless and can be replaced, they have no positives whatsoever. Is that a reasonable assessment?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Okay, so what I'm getting here is that women are always awful and useless and can be replaced, they have no positives whatsoever. Is that a reasonable assessment?

Hmm... that's an interesting strawman to build out of your source not saying what you think it says...

[–]Secure-Lab 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm just making an assumption because that seems to be the prevailing attitude. You're free to prove me wrong.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm just making an assumption because ~~that seems to be the prevailing attitude. ~~ I can't support the statement I made with any reliable source other than gender bigotry

FTFY.

[–]Secure-Lab -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If I wasn't on my phone I'd find something, but I don't think it would change your opinion anyway. if you do believe women have value I'm waiting to hear from you. You don't need me o provide a source to answer that question.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://www.wired.com/2014/07/how-becoming-a-father-changes-your-brain/amp

Well, to answer your question, I think that naturally women and men are very similar in regards to their desires to provide for their children.

Raising children is about a partnership between two people to provide the best outcome for their legacy. Neither person's contributions is less important than the other person's. It's a 100% | 100% split.

I think that having a homemaker has a tremendous amount of value, as long as they're doing things for the benefit of the family.

[–]__pulsar 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

My question is, do you believe women are good for anything?

Disagreeing that women are better caretakers than men isn't the same thing as believing women aren't good for anything. The fact that you took it that way makes me suspect that you lack self-esteem or maybe your reading comprehension needs improvement.

[–]Secure-Lab 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I think I'm intelligent enough to read and understand what he meant. If he thought otherwise he could've told me, but my question was never answered. So I'm letting it go.

Being a stay-at-home mom isn't easy. Not only do I not know a single woman who is one besides myself, but everyone assumes all I do is have fun all day, sit at home and watch TV, and leech off my husband who works. I'd like to think I contribute something to my family, but no one around me seems to think so (in person, as in friends/family/acquaintances). I assume people generally think the same way online.

[–]__pulsar 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Which part of this post led you to believe they were saying that women aren't good for anything??

There's nothing that proves that women are better caretakers. Unless you have data to back that up. The neurological changes that happen when a human becomes a parent, happens to both men and women.

I would wager that women are perceived to be the better caretaker because of the expectation that men are the bread winner, and thus not at home as much.

As for this part of your post...

Being a stay-at-home mom isn't easy. Not only do I not know a single woman who is one besides myself, but everyone assumes all I do is have fun all day, sit at home and watch TV, and leech off my husband who works. I'd like to think I contribute something to my family, but no one around me seems to think so (in person, as in friends/family/acquaintances). I assume people generally think the same way online.

I agree that being a stay at home parent isn't easy and I think most people agree with that. The only push back I see comes when someone claims it's the hardest job in the world.

[–]Secure-Lab 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I definitely don't think it's the most difficult job, but it does require my attention 24/7. Even at night I have to "keep an eye" so to speak on my child. In my particular situation I think things are much more difficult, but you probably don't want to know about that stuff.

I don't think it was that particular quote that I had a problem with. Maybe I'll try to find it later.

[–]__pulsar 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I definitely don't think it's the most difficult job, but it does require my attention 24/7. Even at night I have to "keep an eye" so to speak on my child. In my particular situation I think things are much more difficult, but you probably don't want to know about that stuff.

I actually know exactly what you mean. I'm not a parent but I've watched my neices and nephews for entire weekends sometimes and it's very mentally draining because you're always thinking about the kids.

I don't think it was that particular quote that I had a problem with. Maybe I'll try to find it later

Well that's the quote you directly responded to with your comment so I dunno what to say about that.

[–]Devs4cup 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Alot of men have a hard time with dealing with women... I think it’s foolish to let our differences enrage us instead of all working together, with our obvious psychological and physical differences, to make our lives better instead of spending incredible amounts of time and energy on bashing the opposite sex on social media...

Anyways, just wanted to comment on the brain changing. This is not only observed in us humans, but in most species, so that newborns have the care they need for survival. We’re all animals after all, and we take decisions primarily based instincts.

Also don’t take opinions so seriously, anybody can make them....

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What a horrible woman she was. Sad.

[–]johnouden 21 points22 points23 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

They always substitute "evil" for "having mental issues" nowadays. It dehumanizes people in a way a cant even get started. It puts a stigma on the real mentally ill. And it legitimizes arbitrary "treatment" instead of objective, justice-limited punishment.

When not being feminist becomes even more a crime, we will not be clearly punished, we'll be treated.

[–]ShutupPussy 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

So you think this was clear minded malicious intent and not a psychological ailment?

[–]johnouden 8 points9 points10 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think one doesn't nullify the other. Wether or not there were psychological issues... yeah, the malicious intent was definetly there. The main thing for me is that having mental issues doesn't nullify evil. It just gives it other ways to flow.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So you think this was clear minded malicious intent and not a psychological ailment?

It's funny. The murderer's mental illness only seems to be a mitigating factor when the murderer is a woman.

[–]Sasha_ 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Surely the problem with that is that soon every horrific act becomes excused as the result of a mental issue? Then no-one ever becomes a countable for anything.

[–]aleimira 18 points19 points20 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not surprised -

Brown - SJW, Leftist, Men haters

Director of corporate social responsibility and community relations - SJW, Leftist, Hater of white men

Providence Journal - SJW, Leftist

It's as if she was pre-programmed.

[–]Mackdude15 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sad part is they'll probably investigate the husband and try to indict him

[–]raffu280[S] 12 points13 points14 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Very typical of most women now who feel that the father or his children too is really not important at all. It is HER kids - not his - and she is doing a favor to them when she feels the need to implement a "scorched earth" stunt out of gender spite.

[–]daviddavidson29 7 points8 points9 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Typical of Most women?

[–]huxepenner 3 points4 points5 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sadly even when it's the women who kills the kids, the man is still blamed.

[–]ShawshankRetention 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

She did not "push" "her" childrens, she killed two people unable to defend themselves.

[–]Critonurmom 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She did both. She pushed her children, killing two people unable to defend themselves.

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