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Catholic Cardinal convicted in Australia of sex abuse on the testimony of one witness for an event over 20 years ago.

genkernels

August 21, 2019

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Title	Catholic Cardinal convicted in Australia of sex abuse on the testimony of one witness for an event over 20 years ago.
Author	genkernels
Upvotes	12
Comments	14
Date	August 21, 2019 1:47 AM UTC (6 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]Jackson2615 2 points3 points4 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Men-Are-Human 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]genkernels[S] 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

[–]aussietoads 5 points6 points7 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]EricAllonde 4 points5 points6 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I agree.

This verdict makes me extremely uncomfortable. There is no evidence, it turns entirely on the words of the 3 people who were supposedly in the room at the time:

Boy 1: the accuser.

Boy 2: died in 2014, but before his death he always denied that Pell abused either boy.

Pell: denies the accusation.

So all it took to convict and jail Pell was an accusation from one (now) man, with no supporting evidence and despite the fact that two people denied the accusation.

Given what we've seen with the wave of false accusations from #MeToo, seeing the bar for a conviction lowered as much as that is very, very concerning.

If the courts will convict so readily based on just a single accusation from a man, imagine how quickly they'll lock a man up & throw away the key when the accuser is a woman.

[–]Mackowatosc -2 points-1 points0 points 6 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

[–]Men-Are-Human 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

[–]Mackowatosc -1 points0 points1 point 6 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]Men-Are-Human 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm back after a bit of an issue with workload, sorry for the late reply.

As someone that lives in a country that was exploited by vatican for last generation or so, F off. The church has a record of working really well with communism.

What country was that? And what do you mean 'working really well with communism'. Communism is atheistic and opposes all religion. The most I've seen them do is bargain to allow religion in the country.

As well as with the nazis, earlier on.

That's a total myth - which was created and spread by the Soviets, actually. Would you like to hear about their use of Vatican Radio to directly oppose Hitler?

The only clergy executed was because they tried to influence the politics and affairs if the state, which, as agents of a foreign country, they really have no right to do. Or have any opinion of, for that matter.

More than 85,000 Orthodox priests were shot in 1937 alone. Only a twelfth of the Russian Orthodox Church's priests were left functioning in their parishes by 1941. What the hell are you talking about? This was the ideological equivalent of a genocide.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Communism is atheistic and opposes all religion. The most I've seen them do is bargain to allow religion in the country.

so? Churches in Poland gained lots of money and buildings from communists. Priests worked for the interior security. There were ones that were shot, yes. But not because 'being priests', but for working against national interest. "bargain to allow religion" - for good reason. Even such bargain is against any real interest of the state. Its spreading lies against Science and Knowledge. And truly should be punished.

as for communism being atheistic, LOL. It was cult of a person. And, for the record - Stalin got his early schooling in an ortohox seminary. Not much of an atheism there. Just a "god" that walked the earth, this time, instead of an invisible imaginary omnipotent being.

This was the ideological equivalent of a genocide.

and yet, they work, and did work together when it suited their interest. As always.

Logically and politically, why should I allow an external entity - the country of Vatican - to have a say regarding law in my country? Not even decision power. Because that is exactly what church is doing. Any priest or religious personell is, frankly, an enemy agent of influence. Why should I not treat them as an enemy combatant if they work against the interest of my society and nation?

More than 85,000 Orthodox priests were shot in 1937 alone.

So, should we count deaths due to crusades and other bullshit that was guided by, and often sponsored, by vatican, over their history? Because, why should I really forgive them more than I would forgive Hitler? Both were quite a long time ago already. Some religion based wars - like Rwanda genocide (750 thousands to 2 million dead, depends on who is counting. With verified accounts of catholic priests leading the murder squads and/or activelly allowing them to get to their victims)- were just few decades ago. So, you really REALLY want to count the dead?

[–]Men-Are-Human 1 point2 points3 points 6 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sorry for the late response - my workload means I rarely check Reddit.

so? Churches in Poland gained lots of money and buildings from communists. Priests worked for the interior security. There were ones that were shot, yes. But not because 'being priests', but for working against national interest. "bargain to allow religion" - for good reason.

You've got to be joking.

Even such bargain is against any real interest of the state. Its spreading lies against Science and Knowledge. And truly should be punished.

No. It's against the Soviet materialistic ideology that says science and religion are opposed.

as for communism being atheistic, LOL. It was cult of a person

Wow. You actually aren't joking. Are you? Don't you know about this stuff?

And, for the record - Stalin got his early schooling in an ortohox seminary. Not much of an atheism there.

He became an atheist there.

Just a "god" that walked the earth, this time, instead of an invisible imaginary omnipotent being.

I have no idea what that sentence means.

and yet, they work, and did work together when it suited their interest. As always.

Logically and politically, why should I allow an external entity - the country of Vatican - to have a say regarding law in my country? Not even decision power. Because that is exactly what church is doing. Any priest or religious personell is, frankly, an enemy agent of influence. Why should I not treat them as an enemy combatant if they work against the interest of my society and nation?

You're actually on their freaking side? Holy crap. How about freedom of thought and expression? How about the fact that the Church co-existed with every other state, and tried to stop starvation there? How about the fact that I said 85,000 *Orthodox* priests - meaning no link to the Vatican?

So, should we count deaths due to crusades and other bullshit that was guided by, and often sponsored, by vatican, over their history? Because, why should I really forgive them more than I would forgive Hitler?

Arguing against the Crusades is like arguing against the allies in WW2. You're just another atheist bringing up a war from 1000 years ago (that you don't understand) to justify murdering Christians now. You should ask yourself some deep questions about how many of the the several hundred years of conquering Christian lands and subjugating Christian people the Church (and Europe) should have put up with. What was that you said about expelling foreign powers and interests?

Both were quite a long time ago already.

Persecution of Christians by atheist regimes is ongoing. See: China, North Korea, etc.

Some religion based wars - like Rwanda genocide (750 thousands to 2 million dead, depends on who is counting.

Not a religious war. That was a tribalistic racial split - and an arbitrary one at that. Priests of the same faith were killed, and some lost their entire families. It wasn't cause by Christianity - it was caused by not enough of it. If you tuily follow Christ, you cannot commit any such acts.

So, you really REALLY want to count the dead?

Upward of 200 million dead in the name of atheistic communism, and counting - but you're quite alright with that, as you've stated. Fact of the matter is that killing like that is a LAPSE in Christian moral teachings - but the atheist has no morality at all. There's nothing there in atheism to say killing is bad - or suppression. And you are proof of that, by virtue of standing up for a regime that killed hundreds of thousand so priests SPECIFICALLY because they were priests and SPECIFICALLY to stamp out religion.

[–]Mackowatosc 0 points1 point2 points 6 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No. It's against the Soviet materialistic ideology that says science and religion are opposed.

of course they are opposed. Science is verified truth. Religion is well, worthless.

Persecution of Christians by atheist regimes is ongoing. See: China, North Korea, etc.

For good reason.

Arguing against the Crusades is like arguing against the allies in WW2. You're just another atheist bringing up a war from 1000 years ago (that you don't understand) to justify murdering Christians now.

Thats because there is no such thing as forgivness. There are only consequences. Forever.

You should ask yourself some deep questions about how many of the the several hundred years of conquering Christian lands and subjugating Christian people the Church (and Europe) should have put up with.

you mean like christians did to basically all of the eastern europe earlier on? Go christian, or me obliterated? Nice.

As for 'joking' about churches in poland - nope. Not joking. The church got a MASSIVE wealth from the communists, especially on the lands that we got after the 2nd world war - basically everything that belonged to other religions, was given to the church by communists. Was never theirs to begin with, but well...they wanted it.

How about freedom of thought and expression?

That is for people of my country, not vatican's 5th column called "priests". We had enough of their medding in national politics and budget as it is.