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Wage gap? Let's talk spending gap.

long_black_road

July 16, 2019
140 upvotes
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Title Wage gap? Let's talk spending gap.
Author

long_black_road

Upvotes 140
Comments 41
Date July 16, 2019 11:26 AM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/cdvrkr/wage_gap_lets_talk_spending_gap/
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Comments

[–]DanteLivra 33 points34 points35 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Yet, feminist will somehow twist those fact in a way that makes them the victim.

[–]Becki_Minaj28 points 7 years ago* [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't know if they acknowledge this fully yet, but in minor ways they have already twisted it.

  • The pink tax (women pay more for luxury items, men pay less for lower quality items)
  • Women are advertised to more and advertisements are bad for people. (They are advertised to more because companies know they spend more money than men.)
  • As well feminists find it sexist that women shop more than men because they are against the traditional housewife that buys the groceries and cooks.

I'm too lazy for sources atm, but I have heard these all before and I'm sure some googling will bring stuff up.

[–]DanteLivra 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

All this sound familiar.

How can you consider yourself oppressed when you're in a social class with so much buying power.

[–]PutridMeatPuppet 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

How can you consider yourself oppressed when you can CHOOSE to work or have someone else support you.

[–]DJ-Roukan 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They are bolstering stats like 90% of purchases, while we are pushing stats showing like 90% of work related deaths are male.

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...and they are oppressed.

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Cannot make this stuff up, fellas.

[–]elebrin 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are also enough women out there still buying things for men.

There are still a lot of people out there living a fairly traditional lifestyle, even if it has been somewhat modified. That means that the man is out working while his wife handles the household, which means the household shopping. She spends his money, but she spends it on food for them both, new clothing, things that their kids need, that sort of stuff.

The point there is that the products may benefit men, but women are doing the buying. So, when you see a masculine product advertised for men, it's still being advertised to women. Advertisers are good at what they do, so the ads sort of reflect the relationship dynamic that women want to see (not that they want to live in, but that they want to see, which I think may be two different things).

[–]Rethgil 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes-I've been trying to highlight this in this sub for a long time.

THIS is the key to why feminism is being pandered to by politicians, by media, by Corporations.

Because they control the MONEY spending now. All they gotta do is preach to the feminists and they know they'll get some of their money. Men aren't as gullible or stupid. We've had decades of adverts and politicians and media preach to us with bullshit and we learned to see through it all. Not so with women. They fall for any ad/politician/headline that says 'youre special'. 'Youre worth it'. 'Youre oppressed'.

It actually says bad things about feminists and such women for being so gullible and narcissistic

[–][deleted] 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

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[+]destarolat -7 points-6 points-5 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Men, stop letting women control your money.

Maybe the day men stop liking pussy. Until then, good luck with that.

[–][deleted] 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]destarolat 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I do agree with you it is pathetic. I disagree that it will change. Let's face it, a lot of men are (and will be) pathetic when it comes to relationships with the opposite sex. Hell, I was pathetic when I was young and I'm sure I could still improve and (forgive my lack of modesty) I'm above average with women. Imagine dudes that are below average. Desperation sets in and men will do whatever it takes to get it wet.

[–]sric2838 16 points17 points18 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I've been saying this for years, they want women to go out earn men. The more a woman earns, the more apt she is to spend more. It's a win win in a global economy. Why have billionaire man who invests his money when you can have a billionaire woman who spends it all.

[–]ancap_attack 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Who is "they?" Keynesian economists who believe that spending created wealth?

[–]Mightyoak123 15 points16 points17 points 7 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

This data is a bit all over the place. It doesn't actually tell us there's a spending gap. This source goes through the data in a more helpful way and highlights key differences:

https://www.moneycrashers.com/men-women-money-sexes-differ-finances/

I found it interesting, hopefully you will too

[–]bufedad 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

This only compares single men and single women.

It doesn't account for married women spending their husbands' money.

[–]genobeam 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

The infographic posted by OP doesn't either. It takes all joint purchases and credits those to women for some reason.

[–]bufedad -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

For some reason? Because women made the decision (the source for each is provided)

[–]genobeam 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

No, women were part of the decision, not the sole decision maker. Look into the sources for yourself

[–]bufedad -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I have. Care to point out where your claim comes from?

[–]genobeam 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://blogs.wsj.com/numbers/do-women-really-control-80-of-household-spending-1054/

[–]genobeam -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

You obviously haven't looked into the sources too deeply because "Yankelovich in 2008, said that the statistic "did not originate with our research, but appears to have been manufactured by a source we haven't yet been able to identify." In other words: the source is bullshit

[–]bufedad -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Since you didn't provide a link to the comments, I had to go look them up. And... shocker, they aren't talking about these statistics.

Generally, when someone provides "evidence" without a link, especially when that evidence is a quote, but only a portion of a quote... it's either an outright lie, or as close to it as you can get without actually lying.

[–]genobeam 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

First off I did provide a link in the comment above.

Secondly, it's impossible for me to find definitive proof that something doesn't exist. You have claimed that you looked into the sources. Since you are familiar with the studies that the statistics in the OP came from, please link me the study from the source: "Yankelovich Monitor & Greenfield Online" (note: not a proper citation) that supports the claim that women are the sole decision makers in 91% of new home purchases and i will kindly admit that i'm wrong and leave you alone.

​

If you are actually familiar with the sources, this should not be hard to find, right? Evidence without a link is exactly what the infographic in the OP is. There is no study backing these numbers up, and no methodology of data collection to define the terms of these statistics. Just look at the numbers, they don't make any sense.

[–]bufedad -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

First off I did provide a link in the comment above.

You know that I, and everyone reading this, can clearly see there's no link... right?

Secondly, it's impossible for me to find definitive proof that something doesn't exist.

You could try looking at the sources that are provided... since you couldn't be bothered.

[–]genobeam0 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

"Yankelovich Monitor & Greenfield Online" is not a study nor is it a proper source. I have looked into it and the study does not seem to exist. If you can prove that such a study exists, then i take back everything i said. You obviously haven't looked into the source or you could just end this by linking the non-existent study. As to whether i posted a link, yes i did as a seperate reply to a previous comment of yours. Here it is again since you have trouble finding it: https://blogs.wsj.com/numbers/do-women-really-control-80-of-household-spending-1054/

[–]bufedad0 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I have looked into it and the study does not seem to exist.

So, what you are saying is that you were lying earlier when you claimed to have read the sources...

[–]genobeam0 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You keep talking about "the sources"as if there is a study or scholarly article linked in the infographic. There isn't. You are the one lying claiming to have read the sources. For the last time, if you've looked into "the source" that shows the methodology for how these statistics were gathered then link it. Otherwise it's not worth continuing. You haven't looked into the source yourself and it's obvious so i'm wasting my time here

[–]bufedad0 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

You claimed to have read them. You claimed to have provided a link... seriously, do you realize how much you've lied throughout this entire discussion? Has anything you've said been true?

[–]genobeam0 points 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

I said I looked into them, there's nothing to read. You'd know that if you looked into them. I did provide a link. It's in its own comment. You just missed it. Scroll up. it's there.

If you can't prove that a scholarly article or study exists to back up the numbers like 91% of new home purchases are solely made by women, then you are the liar. Since you haven't linked it yet, you either haven't bothered looking into it, or you have looked into it and know you're wrong and just want to continue this pointless conversation for some reason

[–]DescendingFire 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Female gamers over 55 spend more time online gaming than males ages 15 to 24. (Source: Ford Motor Company and Trendwatching.com study, 2013)

This is a pretty wild statistic to me.

Edit: Wait a minute... Are they comparing exclusively female 55+ GAMERS to literally the entirety of 15-24 males? If so that is a really misleading statistic and seems utterly pointless.

[–]NXyse 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Wait wait wait, they are saying that women spend more money on houses, cars, computers and that sort of thing. Is this global or a continent only information? In Europe this isn't true, I highly doubt that. And on the computer part it's just a big lie.

[–]genobeam 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Like most statistics used in gender politics, the numbers in this infographic are hugely misleading. A lot of the consumer choices listed are joint choices made by a man and woman together. It should seem pretty obvious that women don't account for 91% of new home purchases. Many new home purchases are jointly purchased, but for some reason this infographic decides to credit those purchases to women. From what I found before (and i don't remember the source) the actual difference in consumer spending is only slightly more for women (something like 54%).

I tried to look into the sources for these numbers before and it's basically impossible to get to the original source.

TL;DR these numbers are not super useful because they credit joint purchases as women controlled purchases. The source information is also very questionable.

[–]Pathfinder24 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Men do a vast majority of all earning and women do a vast majority of all spending.

Must be so hard being oppressed like that.

[–]iainmf 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20190716123816/https://girlpowermarketing.com/statistics-purchasing-power-women/?fbclid=IwAR26gZHaKbr0nQuv8Knq3XNXPaj_yqwog6vN-ri5wf_KCmJGTlfxip0x62U#

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't believe this not even for a second. Sources, I need sources. No way do women account for most new cars and PCs. There's some explanation to this that isn't honest or it's straight up made up.

[–]Remi_cuchulainn 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Ask any home or car salesman who make the purchase decision when a couple shows up 80% the woman, or the woman choose not the exact car model, but:

The kind of car

The driveability

The color

The size of the trunk needed

...

So much so that the man is just there to check if the car fit the needs she have

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I mean this is pretty much bullshit. I work in this industry. I pretty much know exactly how many cars women buy and men buy, in what frequency, what brand, which brand they switch to, anything really. I sell this data for a living. That still doesn't mean >90% of purchases are done by women, which is what this site claimed.

[–]bufedad 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I sell this data for a living

Then it won't be hard for you to provide a source.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Legally without risking my job? It would be, yes. We buy it from the federal motorvehicle office.

Do genuinely believe women make most car purchases of new cars? Consider that there's no way to verify who made the decision, only who signs. And that is pretty much always gonna be the man, or is this controversial too?

[–]bufedad 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Legally without risking my job? It would be, yes. We buy it from the federal motorvehicle office.

The topic of discussion is who makes the decision to purchase the vehicle, not who's name is on the purchase slip.

It appears you don't have the data in question.

[+]MRA-Sid -8 points-7 points-6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Even if men are earning more in a household he would be spending that money on wife and children. Women will never do that. They are selfish creatures on earth who earn and live for themselves.

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