What can be done to lift men out of the chasm of the Black Pill ideology?

RoryTate · 2019-07-09T18:41:33+00:00

Well, that was a rather weird video.

At the end, he proposes that a charity be created where women would volunteer to have sex with "incels".

Having experienced a part of my life years ago where I could have been described as an incel myself, I think I can say that even if such a charity attracted ample volunteers, it still wouldn't solve the problem, or at least not completely.

The problem is that you would simply be giving sex to men (and women) who couldn't attract a mate on their own. Such giving might temporarily sate a "biological impulse", or whatever you might want to call it, but I don't see how it can ever satisfy a human being's longing to feel a sense of real connection to other human beings. An "incel" receiving this "charity" would feel highly stigmatized by it and perhaps even more estranged from the rest of humanity.

ConnorGracie · 2019-07-09T16:05:37+00:00

First of all 'Black pill' is suffering meme degradation and losing it's meaning. In the above it seems to be just a synonym for 'incel' when in reality 'black pill' is about relationships while 'incel' is about sex.

A person who is incel wants to get laid and will seek sex. An incel will ask out women, he will seek dating advice or brows PUA forums, he will attend to grooming and fashion and become a feminist do whatever he can to meet and attract women. The key is that he is INVOLUNTARILY celibate.

A person who has taken the black pill has decided that women are simply not worth it.

Suppose 'John' is a 25 year old virgin. John is not unattractive, he has a job, he would like to have a family but all the women he meets have had several sexual partners, many of them have children, their social media pages are full of explicit sexualized images and stories, and he is not attracted to them. He finds them disgusting. John does want a family, but he is beginning to think that there are simply no women for him, women who, like him, have saved themselves for a monogamous marriage where sex will be a part of the special love between two pair bonded adults.

Is John a good moral man or is he a 'black pill'? Is there any difference?

YOUREABOT · 2019-07-09T14:13:13+00:00

totally support ur solution idea but as more on equal hippie free love thing haha a libertarian society would be good for all :)

red_philosopher · 2019-07-09T14:50:08+00:00

The only way would be to mentor them and have them follow in your footsteps for several months. But that's not likely to happen.

DJ-Roukan · 2019-07-09T15:21:22+00:00

What can be done? is that a trick question?

We can do many, many things, but the one thing that will solve this problem is to re-introduce that "wacky" concept of fatherhood, masculinity, and male community, so they first have a sense of themselves, learn what it is to be a man, and emulate those very men (many of us) who they have been taught are the problem, not the cure.

Even Bliss, who coined the term "toxic masculinity" cited that as the cure.

I shake my head at all the people trying to see the Forrest by looking around the trees. I'm everything that feminism and the "new culture" hate and call a misogynist. I'm everything women are suppose to hate, or try to "fix" in men.

I'm also married to a great woman that loves the shit out of me (and I her), raised a family, have a successful business, am Happy...yet I see young men fearful of being like me, living what Henry David Thoreau called, "lives of quite desperation" ignoring his favorite quote of mine, "In wildness is the preservation of the world".

Riddle me this? If I, men like me, are the bad guys, how come I feel so much empathy for these men while the new agers attack and berate them? It's all FUBAR.

Change the narrative, you change the story.

2019-07-09T18:02:19+00:00

They may not like hearing their names mentioned here, but I would like to give a shout-out to Natalie Wynn and "Beau of the Fifth Column" for their compassionate and humanizing talk about incel men on their popular YouTube channels.

There was a time in my past when I might have been labeled an "incel", and I'm really glad that it was before there was all this virgin-shaming of incel men, insinuating that they are latent psycho-killers.

tenchineuro · 2019-07-09T21:00:22+00:00

What can be done to lift men out of the chasm of the Black Pill ideology?

I'm pretty sure that if several MRA issues were somehow resolved, that would do the trick.

Title	What can be done to lift men out of the chasm of the Black Pill ideology?
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Date	July 9, 2019 2:08 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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