[FR] Family Vacations Used To Suck...

StarkNYC · 2010-12-11T16:18:30+00:00

Part 2 / 3

I acted as though we came with this woman and kids; it was expected we'd continue hanging out with them. I had mentioned how I really wanted to go in a hottub because our crappy motel didn't have one. She takes us to her hotel close by which is probably four stars. I'm still fairly drunk, I plop into the serenely refreshing hottub and chat up the few folks who are in it. My dad and sister hang out with the old woman and her family by the bar which, while at a distance, still in sight of the hottub. The woman swings by and gives me a delicious tropical drink with 5 different kinds of alcohol.

I love getting free stuff that was earned by being social, fun, and cool. At this point I take a moment to reflect on how drastically better our vacation has become just by being social and fun. That being said, it was only around 10 PM...

I put on a stronger buzz, and go to find my family. They're just kind of sitting around, nothing fun, so I return to the bliss of the hottub. Before stepping in, I notice a gorgeous bikini-clad platinum blonde, a 9 (some may say 10, but I've only once given out that honor). This is the type of girl I used to dream about and be too scared to even look at - the beautiful creature who's ephermal presence is quickly stolen by jockish "Alphas". I had gone through my period of shameless approaches, which were nearly set out to be failures; so, I've cut down on efforts that I know are fruitless or probable to result in badness (such as when I am crazily drunk). In this case, I was very much warmed up/"in state" and thought this chick was just too cute... So, batters up!

I think my opening comment was something stupid about the color of her bikini. When I was more novice, I would have agonized over the lameness of this opper - it's clearly showing interest, needy, and not interesting. Now, I realize that an opener's only point is to start a conversation and beyond that does not matter. Some of my best successes have come from terrible openers such as this one, and generally speaking, how the conversation started is quickly forgotten.

She could clearly tell I was drunk. Having some of my wits about me, I noticed her tensing and called her out: "Am I making you uncomfortable?". She coyishly admits "a bit"; this relaxed her, as it showed I am observant and still in control. Though I can see how drawing her conscious attention to the fact that my presence made her uncomfortable may not have been the smartest thing. I sit down in the lounge chair next to her - shoulder-to-shoulder. This relaxes the tension, pressure, and awkardness of having me standing over her and facing her. We chatted a bit; nothing too playful or flirtatious, I don't think. Though, honestly I was drunk and don't remember much... I was just being myself, which now, is much more naturally attractive than the average chump I used to be.

Her mom came by and I know how vitally important it is to win over her friends and especially her mom. Fortunately, I am naturally a good parent pleaser (read: innocent nerd), unfortunately I was noticable intoxicated. We chatted about kittens and stupid stuff before her mom announced she was going to head back to the room.

Now, these kind of moments are typically unnoticed by those of us who are subconsciosuly incompetent of this layer of game: it's a subtletly of nuances. Women always resist ostensibly; they must play their social role of pacing, avoiding the feminine low-value position of being easy or too opening their desires to early. So, they have to be intricately subtle - so subtle, perhaps, that they may not even realize the signals. Fortunately, I have worked hard to understand the feminine creature and on a rare occasion pick up on the subcommunications. Her mom asks her if she'd like to come up, she says she'd like to hang out down here some more and maybe use the hottub.

Contextually interpreted subcommunication received: IT IS ON. She knows I am not going away. If she did not like me, did not want me to escalate the situation, she would have removed herself from it.

StarkNYC · 2010-12-11T16:18:41+00:00

Part 3 / 3

Despite a lack of serious flirting or typical "attraction" built, despite my being in my swim suit with my flabby/highly pale torso revealed, and despite being drunk off my ass and her being sober as a bird, it was ON. Too many guys fail to realize that if a woman does not like you, she will tell you to go away or extricate herself from the situation. If she stays there and remains engaged, however boring the conversation, however much you may think you have fucked up or she can't like you, she is implicitly telling you to proceed.

So, I do. I believe at this point I may have sluggishly gone for a kiss - as I said, there was minimal flirting and touching. Playing her role and being a beautiful woman of high value, she naturally turns her face away. The older version of myself would have felt that it was over - I had been rejected. If she liked me, she'd just kiss me. But that is not how woman work! Courtship is a careful art. A delicate dance. Woman coyishly resist and men must aggressively yet skillfully and delicately push forward. When she denies you, she is doing her social job of pacing the interaction - after all, she cannot make the faux paus of displaying her desires.

In all honesty, she may not have even liked me at this point - but she's open to the possibility. Attraction for woman is very different than the instantaneous judgement men make. It's like a balloon that inflates and deflates based on the man's display of character, personality, and social savvy. Fortunately and surprisingly, the confidence to go in for a kiss, get rejected, and keep going, inflates that balloon.

I talk a bit more and suggest we go in the hottub. She agrees. We are the only two in the hottub at this point. She sits across from me, a very undesirable spot for her. Being not my sharpest, I simply suggest she sit next to me. She gives the expected response and paces me. My intent is not concealed; that is okay as I am unapologetic about my pursuits.

On reflecting, perhaps these drunkingly blunt attempts at escalating displayed confidence that inflated her metaphorical balloon, albeit a bit less skillful than the standard to which I typically hold myself. The frame was established as it should be "I am into you. You know I am into you. I know you know I am into you. We don't need to mention these facts. In fact, it is desirable not to as it removes tension from the interaction. I am going to pursue you with all my wherewithal for I am an authentic man and I unabashaedly and unhesitantly pursue what I want. I don't know if you like me, but I will carefully pay attention to your subtle ques and react accordingly; I am skilled in delicate courtship dance and will foxtrot with you".

The woman my dad is pursing delivers another highly alcoholic beverage to me by the hottub. I share it with the girl. Wingmanship A+.

Somehow we end up dancing a bit in the hottub. Dancing is like fishing with dynamite, it's cheating. Pure touch, I lead, teach her, impress her, and she has fun. I go in for kiss #2 and am expectendly denied. She is noticably uncomfortable. She is not used to moving this fast. she is used to setting the pace with men and having them willingly acquiesce to her hesistance.

Another huge part of game that is often unmentioned because it is the kind of small, subtle tweak that comes with lots of practice and calibraiton is anticipating her reactions and disarming them beforehand. This applies to a multitude of situations and is perhaps one of the biggest and most powerful lessons in social wizzardry. I can sense she is uncomfortable. Before she is forced to speak to this effect, I change the situation. Unfortunately for my drunken self, sitting down in the jacuzzi wiand placing her on my lap is probably not the best way to relax her. She squirms a bit, and moves off.

She tests me. "Wow you move very fast. Do you usually move this fast when kissing girls?". I respond with something probably stupid such as "Yes". The point is I am not deterred or affected by her hesitancy. I am aggressively and shamelessly (yet skillfully - that is important) pursuing what I want .She is still a bit uncomfortable, to relax her, I change the situationally more drasitcally. I suggest we go back to the lounge chairs.

At this point in the night, in regular conversation, I had alluded to ex girlfriends of mine. I do this sometimes, I think it's a manifestation of an insecurity of mine. I "qualify" myself by discussing some of the great women I've been with when it's related to the conversation. This did have the effect of letting her know that I have been with women like her - perhaps even better. It has the negative effect of displaying the low value behavior of extremely subtle bragging. I haven't decided whether the positive out weights the negative. Certainly, a more powerful method is to simply display this through sophisticated behavior or by having her draw it out of me. Like I said, a very subtle dance.

I touch her leg a bit - maybe tickle her or rub it gently. We're just chatting. Conscious of the fact that my lame family will probably want to go play on their computers and be in ther heads alone soon, I go in for kiss number three and am promptly denied. Logistics may be an issue as I am leaving in the morning and my hotel is 10 miles away.

My dad and sister walk over and introduce themselves. They mention that they're going. I say I'll meet them in the lobby. I tell her that I am leaving in the morning and won't be able to meet up with her. Then, I go in for another kiss... Number four I think. At this point, to a gameless outside observer, there is no reason she would kissm me back... No ostensible flirting or "cocky-funny". Confidence - aggressive pursuit, skillful human interaction, subcommunications, and so forth build the attraction. This is the desired way - it's the person not the thin veil of presentation. Lucky number four. We passionately make out. Man, beautful woman always taste so great.

At this point, internally, yes I am validated for bringing this interaction to such an intimiate level in such conditions and speed. Admittedly,I was disappointed that I won't be able to continue sharing the moment with this cutie. Then in my sobering up stupor, an unprecedented flash of brillance spontaneously occured in my head -- I can drop my family off at the hotel and drive back and meet her for a night on the town. I called my phone, which wasn't on me, with hers, and made plans to see her in 15 minutes.

An hour later, we meet at her hotel. It's amazing how beautiful woman, especially the type who are more into their looks, get dolled up; truly, something I very much appreciate. We spent the evening bar hopping, dancing (if you don't know how to dance, I highly suggest taking some lessons. Truly, very useful, fun, and an great way to meet women. I recommend east coast swing but I hear good things about salsa.),

As mentioned before, a big part of game is paying very close detail to the woman. By doing this, in addition to anticipating and disarming her objections and various other reactions, one also gains tremendous insight into and feedback of one's own game. She had mentioned to me once how when we were dancing and I was shamelssly and aggressively touching her private areas that "my confidence is hot", a reminder of the surprising truth that woman love it when men escalate/make the move despite their lack of effort to move things forward.

She also mentioned that I have "split personality" being a "nerd on one hand and a jersey shore guy on the other"; while I don't like the thought of having two identities or being likened to characters on 'jersey shore', I took this to mean that I was genuine and honest with her with my true self, as I am a huge nerd, while also being upfront with my intentions and unashamed of my male desires. The fact that nerds don't tpyically posess these traits highlights them). The best feedback for game is by paying close attention to women and listening to what they say.

At the end of the night, we found a secluded beach where we enjoyed each others' company into the whee hours of the morning, falling asleep by the shore.

Vacation is a bit better now than when I was little.

LASERTODD · 2010-12-11T18:38:13+00:00

Driving drunk, buzzed, or whatever is irresponsible and completely beta.

Zeratul9856 · 2010-12-11T20:35:25+00:00

so did you eventually bang her or what?

Title	[FR] Family Vacations Used To Suck...
Author	StarkNYC
Upvotes	7
Comments	18
Date	December 11, 2010 4:17 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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