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[–]elmcityalpha 2 points3 points4 points 15 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
You are trying too hard. Just say hey what's goin on and talk naturally. Talking about a woman's age is a bad opener and you dont need to have a make believe friend to talk to someone. Keep on approaching, don't get discouraged. Be Outcome Independent and don't let failures get you down. Use them as stepping stones to learn and get better next time.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Talking about a woman's age is a bad opener
I second this. Women are sensitive about their age, weight and their hair. Even a compliment can get twisted by their strange logic (e.g. he said my hair looks good, is he trying to tell me it got messed up in the wind?). I think it is a risk to touch on those subjects needlessly.
you dont need to have a make believe friend to talk to someone
I agree again. What if you try to bounce this particular girl for an "insta-date"? How are you going to explain you are ditching your friends without even saying goodbye to them?
With a few tweaks this guys day game could be pretty good.
[–]elmcityalpha 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Getting the balls to approach is the first step. From there you have to figure out the right things to say but sometimes the hardest part is getting up the nerve to get started. OP is on his way. He must make sure to continue to analyze what he did right & wrong afterwards and be willing to adapt and learn but he's on his way.
Btw the exception to the age rule is the Style "Dog Years" neg. I'm paraphrasing but after you've established rapport, if her age comes up, if she says she is 22, you tell her that's like 29 in Girl Dog Years. She will be surprised and then you explain (without apologizing) that our society puts unfair emphasis on the beauty of women, so society treats women like their value lessens with age, while treating men like their value increases with age. I am probably not explaining this very well but it's in The Game, check it out.
If anyone can explain the Girl Dog Years neg better, please feel free.
Yeah towards the end I stopped using any lines, just went for a direct, natural "hey you look adorable and I wanted to meet you" or something along those lines, I felt good using those, didn't get blown out like I thought they would, and I plan on doing that alot from now on.
[–]elmcityalpha 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Think about this: a lion doesn't hunt his prey by running directly at it... It sneaks up in the grass so it doesn't scare the prey away. (credit: style)
Girls like to fuck as much as guys do but they don't like being hit on. That's what most guys do, they walk up and say "hey baby you're sexy, etc".
A PUA is different. PUAs don't hit on chicks, they just act so confident and awesome that the chicks end up hitting on them. If you say "you're adorable" right off, she knows you want her and there's no chase. Just greet her, seem interesting, and let that confidence shine so SHE wants to hang with YOU. otherwise, you will seem like every other dork who will hit on anyone attractive.
You're on the right path, keep it up.
[–]heckz 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with what you are saying but the direct approach is one taught by much of the pua community particularly for day game where it is most unexpected.
"do you know where the _ is? Actually I just thought you were cute and wanted to meet you" is like a staple opener.
[–]PUAit420 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Looks good man. Try some techniques like venue changes! Also when you're alone, picking up a set can be a real challenge, especially if you don't target and just ask everyone for their numbers.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I always picked a target after addressing the entire group, and singled her out and asked for her number. There were a few groups that honestly would have dated any girl in that group, and I just chose the one closest to me. I wish there was some sort of a way to transition to a girl after just going for a # close on her friend, it sounds like a longshot though.
[–]Nexism 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you're having troubles getting numbers, attraction is always the problem.
[–]clutchPUA 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I'd avoid the age game...unless you really low-ball it. But anything women and age don't usually go well initially.
If you called them out playfully, how did they respond from there? Did you keep pushing or back off?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Age game didn't seem to offend any of them, since I'm 21 and I'm going after girls that are between 18-22. I was half doing that so I didn't end up hitting on a mature looking 17 year old.
I never pushed for longer than a couple sentences or so after the initial response. At no point did I get blown out though, so a couple times i hung around for a minute after failing to # close because the conversation was fun for them and for me, even though I didn't get a number.
I called out one girl who said she couldn't go out with me because she wasn't from the area, I said "Excuses, Excuses, Cmon, you don't live that far" Had a playful tone, she responded that she lived in Irvine, which is at least 30 miles away from me, we talked for about 30 seconds after that, asked her if she had lived nearby would she have said yes, she said yeah, I said bye, and they gave a pretty polite goodbye, and then I went on my way.
One case a girls answer to my attempt at a number close was laughing and smiling and responding "I don't know" and she repeated that two or three times when I tried to push it. Gave up on that one, hit on another girl right in front of her about 5 minutes later.
[–]clutchPUA 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Distance isn't a crazy factor at all. I'm dating a girl thats a 45min drive away. Don't call her out that way. I'd call her out and say "Good less chances of you stalking me. Can't have you drop by to drop off "cookies"."
Its not a "crime" to hit on 17 yr olds at ur age anyways...just obviously don't break the law here, if you find they are not of legal age, just politely back off. Or just friend zone them.
When a girl says "I don't know" she is on the fence. A. You haven't run enough attraction. B. You need to convince her.
Do you know why you didn't get blown out? Cuz you had the balls to ask for it, and they will never blow out a guy who will do that.
The overarching theme seems to be that you are jumping the gun on asking for their #'s. Ideally, you want to ask after you have created some attraction and built some comfort. In Mystery Method's structure it would be C1.
But kudos for running day game, it takes balls.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 15 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think you nailed it on the fact that I was going for the # too soon. Gonna need to work on that, for me that's honestly harder than approaching. Approaching just takes straight up balls, conversation takes wit; I have much more of the former than the latter.
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