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Best you can do is to just move on, start improving yourself FOR YOURSELF. No more contact, no more catching up. Close that book once and for all.
/r/seduction08/08/12 09:48 PM
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Media has a huge impact on EVERYTHING not just Asians. Worry about what you can control.
/r/seduction08/08/12 09:08 PM
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Okay remember this feeling. Remember how shitty and crappy you feel. Now attach it to not approach. I find a good way is to condition yourself so that you feel WORSE not approach and making an effort. If you are just starting out, think of a few things that a neutral and nice conversation starters you can ask so you don't have to wonder what to say/ask the next time the situation pops up again.
/r/seduction08/08/12 09:04 PM
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wow....this is actually a great idea, will do this
/r/seduction08/08/12 07:27 PM
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Look realize your mistakes and move on, taking those gifts back IMO is a mistake. Its not that she is materialistic, but usually gifts are GIFTS. You turned it down initially because you were hoping that those materialistic things would make her take you back/want you again. When it didn't, you threw a tantrum and acted like a child. Don't be a immature and throw a tantrum about stuff like that, it only makes you look bad. However, whats done is done. Remove ALL contact from her, delete her from…
/r/seduction08/08/12 07:27 PM
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Not creepy at all, you did great. Set up something fun, no Movies, no Dinner. Pick something you would enjoy doing (preferably where you both are DOING stuff), and let it go from there.
/r/seduction08/08/12 07:20 PM
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You had alcohol, which naturally will inhibit bloodflow which could affect your erection. You had only fucked one girl before, maybe you aren't built for the one night stand type, you need to feel more comfortable with a girl to be on your A game. Performance anxiety, you have built up this event for so long, this is your defining moment for your summer, and you are scared to not perform well. Well self fulfilling prophecy. Its only a problem if you make it a problem. Pretend like its fine. Joke…
/r/seduction08/08/12 07:17 PM
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Heres my booking plans w/ girls. Find out when they are available, book that date, but don't say wat you are doing or make ANY plans. Say ok lets go out X day. Then say I'll call you X day - 1, to make plans/work out logistics. No matter how busy, I think you can spare time for a 5-10 min phone call. This way the plan feels fresh even though you booked the date many days in advance.
/r/seduction04/11/11 10:03 PM
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Hug is my usual default. If we're really comfortable, you can try pushing for a cheek kiss euro style.
/r/seduction04/11/11 09:57 PM
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haha imo a lil all encompassing.
/r/seduction04/11/11 09:56 PM
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Very money canned routines. Always nice to have some of these in your back pocket.
/r/seduction04/11/11 09:53 PM
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we all have that problem whether its truly cured or not, who knows. But go out there, and enjoy yourself, slowly the significance of that one girl will diminish. But you have to really go out and do it
/r/seduction04/11/11 09:45 PM
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I can do it in one. Have a great fucking time. Thats really all there is to it, when you are having fun, genuine fun, it is unstoppable.
/r/seduction04/11/11 09:34 PM
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Not sure what type of game you are most comfortable with. But be direct and honest. It might weed out some girls who aren't down for that kind of stuff, but hey if that wasn't happening anyways, it wouldn't matter. However, if you do be honest and direct, the ones that go with it, well now you gotten over your hump. A number is completely useless unless you can f-close or friend zone her.
/r/seduction04/11/11 09:32 PM
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This is so true in both day game and club/bar game...your state is one of the most important things in having a successful night. The best nights are like...the movie Old School. Where Will Ferrell is on the debate team. He blacks out and says amazing things and he wakes up and is like "wtf did i just say?" Your best nights will feel like that, you aren't even trying pick up anymore, you are just having SO much fun, it all becomes natural and internalized and you don't even realize you are embod…
/r/seduction04/11/11 08:40 PM
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I'd like to ask how much kino you actually ran on her that night. Had there been a good amount of hand holding, arm around back, etc etc? Also if you don't feel comfortable kissing her/ making out yet, its too early to expect SNL mode. I know you said over kino 1...if you can clarify what that is actually. I feel like when she was in your room, she was waiting for you to make a move. SHE IS IN YOUR ROOM, thats a HUGE IOI, you shouldn't need anymore. Next time man up and go for the win, once you …
/r/seduction04/11/11 08:21 PM
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haha you do...you just don't put AS much value into them as say a girl who is harder to get. But I think ultimately, if you end up looking for a girlfriend, do you value one who gave it up on day one, or one you had to put some work into? Its a natural, we simply value that or those that has more value.
/r/seduction04/11/11 08:14 PM
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she knows she has you by the balls...best way, ignore her for a while. No texting, no calling, nothing. she'll come crawling back for attention. If she doesn't better to move on anyways.
/r/seduction04/11/11 05:21 PM
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More direct game, one on ones. More so in the comfort building stage.
/r/seduction04/11/11 05:14 PM
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We like what is hard to get. The girls that play the game and make you work harder, will make you feel like, once you get her, she is more worth it than say a girl who gives it up on the first date. Its like...you win..now you want to keep your prize.
/r/seduction04/11/11 05:11 PM
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sidebar
/r/seduction04/11/11 05:07 PM
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Remember girls like it when you lead, if you are going up to them to dance, you have to make the move to move it to the next level. Dancing in front of her? Extend your hand so you guys can make that connection to start dancing together, also lots of moves from a hand hold to much "better" positions like her back to ur front. If she says shes tired, or you catch on to that, you should suggest, sitting down. Always lead, not every girl will give you all those opportunities.
/r/seduction03/11/11 08:51 AM
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If you don't know how to initiate kino...just ask her to hold her hand. I had a Day 2 where we sat across, easy light kino = hi-fives. After we left we were going to walk around and check out the area, I told her "Hey let me see your hand." and extend mine with my palms up. She pus it on mine and asked "why?" and I grab it and said "I want to hold your hand." Simple. You got a very good intermediate kino going right there. You can then bump the hand holding into each other once in a while...or i…
/r/seduction03/11/11 08:47 AM
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a question mark feels so needy...you are waiting for an outcome. Usually I leave no punctuation at all...shouldn't be texting much multiple sentence texts anyways.
/r/seduction03/11/11 08:43 AM
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Completely agree with TofuTofu on this one. The best text game can't trump a well played face to face. Sure its not IMPOSSIBLE to build comfort or attraction through text...but its so much more volatile. Text and phone I only use to set up meet ups. Unless I have already F-closed them OR they are JUST friends, I'm okay with texting for things other than that. Once in a while I'll throw in something to help comfort or attraction, or to maybe bridge from the meetup. But I try to no start a convers…
/r/seduction03/11/11 08:39 AM
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Well you already figured one part out. A good variation of the hi-five that generates alot of kino is the hi-five, then cross fingers. At that point you can probably hold her hand on the table pretty comfortably. After the hug, i'd do a compliance test. Point to your the area between your cheek and mouth and say "goodnight kiss". See where she kisses you if she kisses at that spot, I'd point to my mouth and either say "and another here". If she kisses you more at the cheek, i'd be content with t…
/r/seduction19/10/11 05:33 PM
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agreed w/ brolio on this one.
/r/seduction19/10/11 05:26 PM
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for your questions: Text/call when you won't just don't be needy with the texts. Texting/calling next day is acceptable, even texting the same night w/ a neutral text is acceptable. Just don't pull a Swingers move. I'd give it a day or two. If you know her schedule then it should be easy to find a time to meet up. Switch it up, don't go stale after one day 2. Now comments about your night. Glad you followed a lot of the rules when you can, like kinoing and sitting next to her, etc. Seperate tabs…
/r/seduction19/10/11 05:24 PM
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agreed, lol I don't usually smoke anyways, so its not a hard decision to never do it again
/r/seduction19/10/11 04:58 PM
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exactly leave some mystery in there for her.
/r/seduction19/10/11 04:57 PM
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I'd tweak it into "you have to work for it first"
/r/seduction19/10/11 01:43 AM
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not my crowning moment i admit
/r/seduction18/10/11 08:10 PM
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I just refer to them as friends. They, them, us. I'm usually in a mixed party anyways. Girls will usually assume you are at a club meeting girls anyways. It also sounds less braggy
/r/seduction18/10/11 07:02 PM
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enjoy halloween with a costume you like.
/r/seduction18/10/11 06:54 PM
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hardly advice...sounds more like a look at me now brag
/r/seduction18/10/11 06:52 PM
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Might be on the sidebar, but I'll explain it here too. You want to ask for a girl's number before you guys part ways so you can connect with her more. Most guys would ask for a number then leave (and actually it has become so common some girls will leave after giving their numbers now). This makes the whole interaction seem like it was just a ploy to get her #. You need ingrain it in her that you are having this interaction for HER not her #. So get the #, then stay and build more rapport/comfor…
/r/seduction18/10/11 06:26 PM
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favorite move by far.
/r/seduction18/10/11 06:24 PM
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yea. Always bros b4 hoes. Its very unattractive to girls when guys climb over each other for a chance at them.
/r/seduction18/10/11 06:24 PM
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the last two "you should have..." are sometimes constructive criticism, shouldn't ignore everything that starts w/ those. But overall don't hang out with people who have this state of mind when you are planning to go out, it'll just bring down everyone's state.
/r/seduction18/10/11 05:53 PM
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Yea i know how you feel. I'm working towards the SNL right now too. The whole iso, #, k close, day 2 is just so full of holes. If you can win now why win later with more chances of failure?
/r/seduction14/10/11 08:48 PM
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gratz curveball!
/r/seduction14/10/11 05:11 PM
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Remember a good line to use when girls say "I have a boyfriend" is "Yea me too, lets not tell him I'm talking to you, he gets extremely jealous." Remember to come across jokingly when you say this.
/r/seduction13/10/11 07:15 PM
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The greatest game you can run is when you aren't trying to run any game at all. Well played sir.
/r/seduction13/10/11 05:48 PM
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I'd text for logistics only. Don't text to set up anything, call. Don't text to build attraction. Its a minefield when you text, you have a better chance of losing attraction than building it. Text at a minimum and only when you have to until you have already done a successful day 2. Obv varies w/ different girls but...I learned it the hard way. :(
/r/seduction13/10/11 05:45 PM
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damn you were in LA, shoulda hit me up. Hope you enjoyed LA!
/r/seduction12/10/11 11:09 PM
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Just the tip?
/r/seduction14/09/11 05:37 PM
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There is no problem with liking just one girl. However, from your post I am confused...So have you tried to make a move on her? What happened? Maybe if she is affecting your ability to date other girls its either a sign maybe you should pursue her since she makes you feel that way, or just cut ties because it would be too torturesome.
/r/seduction09/09/11 09:35 PM
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i think english teach might of course be abit biased in that subject
/r/seduction08/09/11 10:07 PM
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what you need is a hook, something interesting that will make then think "okay this guy is interesting, give him 5min." Usually its something that'll get them a small laugh. But all this progression you can get form the sidebar
/r/seduction08/09/11 09:34 PM
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...the point of an opener is to initiate small talk. if you feel uncomfortable, use opinion openers. Otherwise...use situational ones. remember the point of a opener is to just start a conversation.
/r/seduction08/09/11 09:22 PM
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there hath no shame in the club. just remember, do your approaches like no ones watching...bcuz they aren't.
/r/seduction08/09/11 09:21 PM
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beat your wife... in a race
/r/seduction08/09/11 09:19 PM
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staring into her eyes is very good buildup of sexual tension. thumbs up*
/r/seduction08/09/11 09:05 PM
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Its a very simple explanation. Humans have pack mentality. We feel safer/more comfortable when we are with friends and when we go out, especially to uncomfortable locations where you are meeting new people it can be perceived as a "dangerous" place. You don't know who you will meet and whether you might need a friend's help. That is why you have that urge to only go out with friends or people you know. However, your urge for meeting new people is now trumping that sense of self "protection". But…
/r/seduction08/09/11 09:02 PM
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Good job sir and good luck!
/r/seduction08/09/11 08:55 PM
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haha I number closed a girl in 5 min, day 2, closed the deal day 4. Didn't have the "what are we?" talk...then all of a sudden no return calls/texts. Found out 2 days later she thought I wanted something more...when I gave no indications of such. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
/r/seduction08/09/11 08:50 PM
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Very well done. I like how you guys made small talk as you got each other's numbers. It doesn't lead to the usual awkward pause after the # where you sometimes both are wondering what is gonna happen next. Good stuff.
/r/seduction08/09/11 08:39 PM
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Just leave like a gentleman. No matter how the set goes, when you eject "It was nice meeting you guys. Have a good night." and extend your hand and smile. If they don't at least shake your hand, they are the ones that look mean and bitchy. Then just walk away to a new set.
/r/seduction08/09/11 08:31 PM
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if you are doing these for the first few approaches, you are doing very well, keep up the good work.
/r/seduction08/09/11 08:26 PM
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its hard to beat irrational fears with rationality.
/r/seduction07/09/11 09:28 PM
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formatting like a boss
/r/seduction07/09/11 09:20 PM
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well done. Only thing i can point out is the number at the end, which you know already. gl
/r/seduction07/09/11 06:00 PM
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lets not get caught up in a moral debate here
/r/seduction07/09/11 05:42 PM
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if ur drinking...don't drive..simple
/r/seduction07/09/11 05:32 PM
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She likes the attention and toying with you. So basically take her somewhere and just ignore her while u talk to other girls...not give a fuck and she'll try to win ur attention again...just fucking destroy that shit...she deserves it.
/r/seduction07/09/11 05:28 PM
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This.
/r/seduction07/09/11 07:39 AM
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Not saying it will work...but on paper, it should technically counter her LMR. Not saying its a pleasant thing to do...but if he really wants this girl...its like a last ditch gambit to try. If she still doesn't hang out...nothing lost.
/r/seduction06/09/11 11:47 PM
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At this point you gotta concentrate on day 2's...I feel like you got your approaching down. So start measuring your progress on translating #'s into day 2's. A lil bit of text game, and maybe time bridging. Even do less overall approaches...and concentrate on working some really solid #'s that will be more likely to meet up. btw are you doing day game approaches or club?
/r/seduction06/09/11 11:23 PM
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buyer's remorse. And she expects next time you guys to hang out would be to have sex...so she is probably scared. At this point I don't know whether its actually savlagable, but I'd see if you can friendzone her, tell her then lets just be friends I'm fine with that. Then just hang out enough where you unfriendzone yourself when she feels more comfortable with you.
/r/seduction06/09/11 11:11 PM
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It seems you are progressing. Different ppl move at diff speeds. So don't stress about that too much. It also seems you are having difficulty converting approaches to #'s, and #'s to day 2's. I haven't read any of your FR's as of this moment in writing, but I would assume that is where the issue lies. Also I would pick one maybe two main pickup styles to use as opposed to filling your head with all this extra stuff that you don't need.
/r/seduction06/09/11 10:52 PM
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1/2 not bad. ride the success
/r/seduction06/09/11 08:34 PM
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haha I'm in LA...no one ever moves away and usually goes to the same spots hahah
/r/seduction06/09/11 08:32 PM
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yea exes in general are just bad ideas... haha there was some inter mingling actually, the 2 ppl I knew from SS1 came over and talked to ppl in SS2. Just my initial target in SS1 was just a bad pick haha The problem isn't letting what they think of you affect you, by hitting on another girl in the same group...they are more likely to keep their friendship than let a guy come in between, so essentially its more possible you are just wasting your time. Kryptonites...even superman has problems.
/r/seduction06/09/11 08:13 PM
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Nice. Theres not much I can give good criticism on in here. Well played, keep it up! One thing though is could you tell right before she asked you to kiss/get her number that it was a good time to? Its important to get that feel b/c most girls won't ask you things like that. So try to concentrate on getting that feel/timing down.
/r/seduction06/09/11 07:14 PM
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Haha yea the EX portion was really what killed the night for me. Actually she saw me w/ another girl so there was the jealousy plotline (just not the right kind) right there. I think we both still had some lingering stuff...there was basically no closure. Off of my gut I felt like she wasn't over me...I think I was trying to take advantage of that haha evil me Haha the ADD is probably somewhat alcohol related too, so hopefully if I cut down abit on that it'll help out. Yea I don't expect drinks …
/r/seduction06/09/11 07:09 PM
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Hey I'm a reformed shy guy and I can honestly say its a constant battle to keep myself from reverting. But you have to bite the bullet and it'll be ugly at first but you have to START for there to be success. My advice would maybe if cold approaches are bad for you initially, join some things where you will be in interaction with mixed company, guys and girls. Not just parties, but social functions, clubs(not night clubs but activity clubs) (not sure how old you are) if you are in HS/College, ta…
/r/seduction06/09/11 06:19 PM
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The last thing you need is a billion things running thru your head. Go with the flow. And build off your experiences. Since it is your first night, just concentrate on approaching and having convo's
/r/seduction26/08/11 11:32 PM
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hey you had the guts to try...which is better than countless other guys out there. Keep it up!
/r/seduction26/08/11 11:30 PM
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exactly, do a venue change if you have to and close the night out if you can. Hey why wait 4 hours for a close when u can do it in 1?
/r/seduction26/08/11 11:27 PM
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he basically reframed you. He saw you as an obstacle coming in on his prey, and diverted you first by changing the subject and dictating the topic you and the girl talked about. Then his wing came in for the kill while he iso'ed. Very well played on his part. Remember ANY other guy hitting on the girl you want is an obstacle, no matter how "nice" he is. Play to win. Also, if a girl is in the bag...close it first before you move on. Don't think you can just come on to it later. Think about what h…
/r/seduction26/08/11 11:19 PM
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yep kiss is another shit test. If you stop ur push pull and go for all the pull then u lose it.
/r/seduction22/08/11 05:22 AM
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single night lay
/r/seduction20/08/11 02:59 AM
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its nice but doesn't really go in about busting sets. Mainly about the way you act on the dance floor/clubs. Which I do, but I feel like my biggest successes come from verbal communication. Sure I can bust some moves that'll get me a grind...but thats not solid game, and might not get you that day 2 or snl.
/r/seduction20/08/11 01:49 AM
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much harder to do on a club dance floor...lol the rave atmosphere and club atmosphere is just too diff.
/r/seduction20/08/11 01:48 AM
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nice remember going out alone might be scary...but you will have your biggest successes that way. I certainly did.
/r/seduction20/08/11 12:45 AM
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foreign language is always harder to approach with. keep it up you'll pull thru
/r/seduction19/08/11 11:15 PM
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when you are thinking should I kiss her...kiss her
/r/seduction19/08/11 10:57 PM
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look did you say a date? if you didn't then you make it what you want to be. If you don't like her, maybe someone else at a bar will. Take her for a good night out, friendzone her...you never know what doors that will open up for you.
/r/seduction19/08/11 10:56 PM
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are you taking it in progression? or just jumping around?
/r/seduction19/08/11 10:51 PM
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all depends on what you view as a win. I view a lay as a win...I've gotten to a kiss before and thot I had it in the bag. Then got blown out in 15 minutes after the kiss. A kiss could just be another shit test...be careful
/r/seduction19/08/11 10:45 PM
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haha yea but you can't make a connection on body language and eye contact alone and have it work most of the time. Tho I do admit the nonverbal parts of it become even more important
/r/seduction19/08/11 10:44 PM
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are you taking it in progression? or just jumping around?
/r/seduction19/08/11 09:50 PM
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lol obviously reading the side bar doesn't seem to have been mastered yet
/r/seduction19/08/11 09:07 PM
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Whenever you are waiting in a line w/ her "You have to be this tall (indicate right above her) to action"
/r/seduction19/08/11 08:29 PM
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people are actually very open to being moved. don't be afraid to provide that suggestion.
/r/seduction19/08/11 08:27 PM
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i think you feel unfulfilled because she opened you, not the other way around.
/r/seduction19/08/11 08:22 PM
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Think of what you do when you build rapport? You try to make a deep connection with someone. Relate to them a certain way, make both of you feel comfortable. Breaking rapport is making them uncomfortable, creating tension (remember good tension not bad). You don't talk about things like "what do you do, where are you from, etc etc" that is called fluff, and more so in the comfort stage. You go about breaking rapport in the attraction phase by banter, negging, or straight up stating your intentio…
/r/seduction19/08/11 06:27 PM
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5 down 95 more to go. enjoy every one of them.
/r/seduction19/08/11 06:21 PM
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First great job on a direct on a 3 set. Much harder, but great frame going in. However, remember if a girl asks you a second time, tell her the truth. If you don't it makes it seem like you have something to hide. Also don't leave right after you get the number. Keep talking to her 5 min more. If she doesn't want to leave to go back to her friends keep the interaction going as long as possible. If you leave immediately it makes it seem you are only after her #, show her you are actually investin…
/r/seduction19/08/11 06:18 PM
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attraction isn't building rapport. It is breaking rapport. comfort is building rapport. If you look at the progression model its more like: Break rapport, build rapport, break rapport. That in itself is almost like push pull. Theres multiple ways to really go about attraction, not sure which style you prefer. Theres the mystery way of negging, not stating your intentions outright, and bantering. And theres the more straightforward way of stating your intentions and then basically power through t…
/r/seduction19/08/11 06:05 PM
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just speed it up. that is all. its during the day, 5-10 min is actually very doable for a #
/r/seduction19/08/11 05:56 PM
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http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/search?q=bus&restrict_sr=on
/r/seduction19/08/11 05:39 PM
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lots of threads on seddit already plz use the search function
/r/seduction19/08/11 05:23 PM
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don't make yourself too available. ONE invite per week MAX if you aren't already hitting the sack with her. If she declines wait till next week, or just ignore her for a while. Never text regularly asking about "how her day was" etc
/r/seduction19/08/11 05:21 PM
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You are being friend zoned. I assuming you show them the caring side of you and basically AFC'ed them to friendzone you. Essentially what wins guys over to your side/befriending them, will not get you laid when talking to a girl. If you see a girl you are interested in, you have to man up and state your intentions, and plow ahead. You aren't gonna make friends out of them, so don't. It seems at this point you already have alot of friends. Time to move on to the next phase and start creating attr…
/r/seduction19/08/11 05:16 PM
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Kino escalation = escalating the touch Verbal escalation = stating your intentions/sexualizing the convo Escalation = Kino and verbal
/r/seduction18/08/11 10:32 PM
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hi-fives are nice and friendly
/r/seduction18/08/11 10:04 PM
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Good stuff and having the balls to do it. Actually you ran it very well...closing on such a short approach...theres nothing more that i can say but keep it up, and make sure you capitalize on that number.
/r/seduction18/08/11 09:28 PM
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she works at a bar...its a service industry, just like waitresses watch out for fake iois, they do it just to get tips.
/r/seduction18/08/11 08:19 AM
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i find the second and third usually works better for me. I do more clubs than bars so it is even louder...esp on the dance floor.
/r/seduction18/08/11 08:18 AM
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ಠ_ಠ
/r/seduction18/08/11 08:15 AM
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double edge sword, always leaves you wanting more ;).
/r/seduction18/08/11 06:39 AM
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I'm doing the "Y U NO" face right now after reading that >.< but better luck next time
/r/seduction18/08/11 12:21 AM
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sounds like 99% of missed connections on craigslist rofl
/r/seduction18/08/11 12:15 AM
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ah ok talked about it with him. Just making sure. This i think is probably more in tune of her not wanting to be the village slut. Girls in social circles don't usually sleep with more than one guy in that social circle, its the slut mentality. Not saying its impossible but tbh not worth the work.
/r/seduction17/08/11 09:08 PM
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why are you moving on ur friend's girl...?!
/r/seduction17/08/11 09:00 PM
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lol nice overcoming that state break.
/r/seduction17/08/11 06:35 PM
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1 don't make friends w/ girls you want. I'd rather lose a girl than be friends w/ a girl i want, cuz thats just self torture (but theres always exceptions). 2 go after what you want and state your intentions
/r/seduction17/08/11 06:21 PM
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"pretend were married since shesv already trying to take half of what is mine" golden! you get a win
/r/seduction17/08/11 06:18 PM
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Meet as many people as possible. can't stress that enough. Freshman year is a key year to get to know a lot of people. Make a ton of friends, everyone else will be doing the same thing. Once you build up a social circle, then move on from there. Remember a good part of seduction is a solid foundation/inner game. Once you build a good social circle it will help your inner game.
/r/seduction17/08/11 06:10 PM
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"new in town/here on business" works, use it, it will open sets for you.
/r/seduction17/08/11 06:08 PM
1

its never as easy as it is on paper/internet haha
/r/seduction17/08/11 06:07 PM
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approach this one with caution. set your boundaries and don't be afraid to walk away if she is a crazy. One dick sucking isn't worth a crazy.
/r/seduction17/08/11 06:07 PM
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sundays are usually a wild card day...at least for most ppl i know. good date days. but if she is truly busy for a week you have to keep the momentum going... think of it as a hill, if you aren't going forward you are sliding backwards. esp after a k-close don't leave it hanging. Give her a call once a twice this week (split it up, 15 min quick calls). Text-wise just don't overdo it. there isn't a magic number, gauge on the situation.
/r/seduction17/08/11 06:05 PM
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part of it is being in the moment. don't stress it, its all relative.
/r/seduction17/08/11 06:02 PM
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looks matter, just not as much as it does to men
/r/seduction17/08/11 06:01 PM
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remember to set the frame. You had a weak frame and they took over w/ the inside jokes, etc. tell a few stories get control of the conversation. If that doesn't work don't drop hints, just straight up tell him, look i'm having a conversation with this girl, i'll talk to you later.
/r/seduction17/08/11 05:54 PM
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you sir get a win...even if you are a bruin
/r/seduction17/08/11 05:49 PM
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Well from the days of mystery, he did stress winning over the friends to make your job easier. Guessing that applies even after the lay. What I'm assuming is this, you felt safe after you got the lay. But b/c her friend whos opinion is more important to her didn't approve, you got the boot.
/r/seduction16/08/11 04:36 PM
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most of the time it is subconsciously. CAN it be faked? yes. but most girls don't know that it is an ioi, so there is no reason to fake it. and even if they do, if they are trying to portray interest purposely...well you bought urself a few more minutes right?
/r/seduction16/08/11 04:31 PM
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sometimes its as simple as having the balls to ask, gl
/r/seduction10/08/11 09:49 PM
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"either you guys are old friends or you're the smallest bachelorette party ever." love this line, props going to steal it :-P
/r/seduction09/08/11 11:47 PM
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I usually wait for the hand fuck. If she is hand fucking you or responding to your hand fucking...then shes ready. Hand fuck - when you are already holding hands are are basically caressing each other hands. This is a more subtle form of Kino where you and/or her don't want to be seen all over each other kinoing esp in public.
/r/seduction09/08/11 11:42 PM
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Did you kino escalate before this?
/r/seduction08/08/11 10:37 PM
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I'm in Accounting so basically the same thing. What gets me going is music and getting ready. Just bumping the beats and getting myself ready to go out pumps me up. Helps also to have some friends to banter with before heading out, gets you in the mood for talking. Warm up sets also help, bartenders, ppl in line, bouncers...anything to get you in a talking mood.
/r/seduction30/06/11 12:31 AM
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actually, you want a band aid, hes trying help you fix the problem. Its not a shit test, she just likes fucking with you, and obviously it works. This isn't a question for r/seduction
/r/seduction30/06/11 12:29 AM
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will try it out this weekend!
/r/seduction30/06/11 12:25 AM
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Love those that follow structured game! Good stuff, keep it up.
/r/seduction21/06/11 01:36 AM
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no worries as long as I can help. reading your background I was sorta like that too. I just feel like you are sabotaging urself when you get close to closing
/r/seduction17/06/11 10:57 PM
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its an IOI. Its a woman's unspoken urge to groom while a potential mate is giving either paying attention to her or a potential mate is in her vicinity. They do it subconsciously.
/r/seduction17/06/11 10:38 PM
1

always escalate...if you wondering whether you should...you should be doing it right then. Don't be afraid to lose the girl from you trying and having the balls to try it.
/r/seduction17/06/11 10:37 PM
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don't see it in the post, was it in the comments (i don't usualy read other comments). all girls are different, it seems this was a spurr of the moment thing, you let it grow cold she found someone else to satisfy her heat. Try to bridge faster next time. That is the only interpretation i can draw from this one. You run your attraction parts very well...didn't see too much in the comfort stages of building up rapport with her and time-bridging to a day 2.
/r/seduction17/06/11 10:34 PM
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I have a feeling you are afraid to be at all invested in any girl...for fear of rejection. First time she said maybe you have to push. Second time when did she cancel? Is it something datey? remember to keep first time low investment
/r/seduction17/06/11 10:26 PM
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don't shit where you eat...that is all
/r/seduction17/06/11 10:11 PM
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sounds old school and afcish but lets see it take its course
/r/seduction17/06/11 10:08 PM
1

a bottle of moderately priced wine is a good choice
/r/seduction17/06/11 10:07 PM
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responded to most of them...there just seems to be a .... block thats stopping you from moving forwards sexually... Are you a virgin?
/r/seduction17/06/11 10:02 PM
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Why was there no number gotten during this day??!?!?!?! Btw any follow up on this for a day2?
/r/seduction17/06/11 09:58 PM
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She hung out with you, you didn't show her a good time...probably why she didn't want to again. Usually when you first hang out with a girl, do it 1 on 1, don't bring buddies/friends/etc along.
/r/seduction17/06/11 09:53 PM
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I did pick up assholeness/teasing from your report. Girl #1: you teased her to a point where she left, then you keep turning away from her but not locking her in...which led to someone else taking her away. Girl #2: not too sure on what happened after that first joke...I imagine you kept on teasing her (this is an assumption i know)
/r/seduction17/06/11 09:47 PM
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Gonna break this down for you: You've heard this before, Inner game. You are VERY outcome dependent and you can think to yourself to not give a fuck. Even before everything you are so worried about certain logistical things like age, family, etc...stop caring about THOSE things and start caring more about yourself. And stop worrying about your height She was in to you. You lost this one. The fact she kept on asking you to hook up with her sister isn't b/c she wasn't into you, but b/c you weren't…
/r/seduction17/06/11 09:42 PM
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nice
/r/seduction17/06/11 09:33 PM
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Natural Alpha Pussygetters don't help with your game...I'd give him grounds rules and if he doesn't follow it still, ditch him. If he is keeping u from getting laid...hes a cockblock. At those parties if you are chatting up a girl...move them to a more secluded location. Always try to iso. Not too sure on what "drama" there was so I can't comment. But try reframing, make a comment then reframe on yourself Once you got a girl's attraction and know she is interested...you need to lighten up the te…
/r/seduction17/06/11 09:31 PM
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Please build your foundation first b4 you pick up on specifics. If you haven't read Neil Strauss's The Game, read that first
/r/seduction17/06/11 09:20 PM
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sex first, logistics come after. HOWEVER, don't ever suggest a relationship or talk of one in order to get her into bed...if you do it that way...well guess what...you won't end up with just a fuck buddy
/r/seduction17/06/11 09:19 PM
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Sounds like you are going about this all blind...Sometimes you need someone seasoned to point out the true issues you are having with your sets. I'm not sure why you can't seem to get a day 2, etc if you are getting kiss closes. Inner game is PART of the issue but also not the main issue, I'd suggest investing in some coaching to find out what your other issues are. Your post gives some history and voices your frustration but no one can analyze anything from that other than "inner game" which is…
/r/seduction17/06/11 09:16 PM
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As another Asian guy who hits up a lot of primarily Asian clubs, it's really not that different than any other clubs. Sure its always easier with an introduction with common friends...that's true in every situation...Thats called working your social circle, not cold approaches. Stop viewing yourself as being a creep...that in itself will naturally project creepiness...and you'll get blown out. An primarily Asian club is still...just a club. Sure the culture might be a bit different, but everythi…
/r/seduction17/06/11 09:07 PM
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HAHA I like this one actually! An up for u. Will test this one for sure.
/r/seduction07/06/11 09:42 PM
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oh wonderful gods
/r/seduction07/06/11 08:51 PM
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I call it the bible. Read all of it. Its what introduced me to the game.
/r/seduction07/06/11 05:55 AM
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Regaining power is to make her chase you again. You will have to first give her some time, then re-engage with push pull kino in the seduction phase and once you hit LMR, employ the anti-LMR. Also remember a girl will almost ALWAYS set the limits verbally...it is up to you to grow some balls and push and break that limit...stop playing by the rules. If she verbally refuses agree with her, but keep on going. When you finally hit the wall, do a freeze out. BUT remember when she verbally AND physic…
/r/seduction07/06/11 02:41 AM
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Haha dude...heres the breakdown: Day 1: You didn't apply anti-LMR when you should have. First night when she said nothing below the belt you complied...she doesn't want you to comply she wants you to seduce her. So remember push pull and freeze outs? Employ those. Day 2: She set the limit even lower and you complied to her demands and cuddled with her. Day 3: Same as #2, cept now you are frustrated that she set the limits like this and decides to pout. She gets the reaction out of you...ever sin…
/r/seduction07/06/11 02:21 AM
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My goal? To have choices, to be able to meet, sleep with, and be in relationships with the girls I choose, not out of random coincidence but out of choice. Not every approach is going to be for "the one" but you need to practice to improve a skill do you not? Nothing "happened" to me, it is my view and my goal. Everyone has their own experiences and each person react to their experiences differently. You seem to like to stress that we/I think this way because something or someone made us think t…
/r/seduction07/06/11 02:01 AM
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Girl 2: you worked up her temperature and got distracted, some other guy came in and stole all the hard work you did...next time see it through and close out. Girl 3: A good way would be just get in her face and look into her eyes and talk. At almost kissing distance...if she turns away, tell her you don't like talking to her cheek and move her back to facing you. This will build up a huge amount of sexual tension with your face being so close to hers while not kissing.
/r/seduction07/06/11 12:16 AM
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Good job heading out yourself. Takes balls. Now onto the finer points: Bikini Contest - good stuff on getting urself in a talking mood. Bar - If you were shooting shit with HB7, try to push yourself one step further to iso and close. For HB9 approach faster. Always try to befriend her friends. Guys in a mixed set needs to feel/be respected, if you piss him off, he would be more than glad to cock block you. Rest of night - Don't drink THAT much buddy, it hurts your game which is quite obvious at …
/r/seduction06/06/11 11:30 PM
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Distance isn't a crazy factor at all. I'm dating a girl thats a 45min drive away. Don't call her out that way. I'd call her out and say "Good less chances of you stalking me. Can't have you drop by to drop off "cookies"." Its not a "crime" to hit on 17 yr olds at ur age anyways...just obviously don't break the law here, if you find they are not of legal age, just politely back off. Or just friend zone them. When a girl says "I don't know" she is on the fence. A. You haven't run enough attraction…
/r/seduction06/06/11 10:57 PM
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I'd say do all this within 2-3 weeks...preferably two. You are not even at the dating timeline so that is already very slow. I'd try to do all that and move onto dating within one week of getting her # obviously schedule permitting. It sounds like you guys already have some great topics of conversation...definitely play off of that.
/r/seduction06/06/11 10:49 PM
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caps and bold letters, this discussion is getting serious guyz! Uh Oh the old "Be Yourself" quote...pretty common coming from someone that knows nothing about the game or seduction. I assume you are also the type that believes you can only get girls in your own "league" and guys less "awesome" than you should know their places. How about say we want to meet the girls we want, game the girls we want, sleep with the girls we want, and be in relationships with girls we want...not "wind up" with any…
/r/seduction06/06/11 10:37 PM
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Lol or just be direct...no point in complicating this issue imo
/r/seduction06/06/11 10:24 PM
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I think you are even getting ahead of yourself. Lets break it down to the basics. Get her # Ask her out somewhere w/o your social circle. Do something fun, make a deeper connection, build rapport.
/r/seduction06/06/11 09:51 PM
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Treat any text after 12 midnight as a booty call. Instead of asking where do you live, you can ask for her address instead "whats your address" At the point where she says: Her: why do you want to come to my house? haha You could have switched to have her come over instead...not sure why you didn't provide that as a possibility. And from the answers and the vagueness she texted back with, it sounded like she was waiting for an invite to your spot.
/r/seduction06/06/11 09:39 PM
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Sounds solid. I feel like you definitely could have f-closed this one if you applied some anti-lmr tactics. Most girls will verbally fight you every step of the way. Remember to take two steps forward and one step back, even at this stage. If at the point she says you are driving her crazy, pull back abit...Then re-escalate. Its never good to involve too much alcohol in this process, as it could lead to her buyer's remorse if she gives it up easily or even possibility of rape...
/r/seduction06/06/11 09:35 PM
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Mind altering drugs aren't exactly the greatest to use when you are trying to pick up...classic mpua's (myster, style, etc) discourage even alcohol b/c its is viewed as an "art" and when you are there, you are on stage and in a performance.
/r/seduction06/06/11 09:24 PM
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Haha basic introductions and conversations aren't as basic as you think it is. Lots of little nuances. And you are kidding yourself if you think human interaction is as simple as you think it is. The whole of seddit is based upon human interaction, of "basic" introductions and conversations. Oh my life is very real, and I certainly do enjoy it. The ladies enjoy my interaction, and visa versa. Just because I view my interactions differently from yours, does it make it any less real? What scarred …
/r/seduction06/06/11 09:22 PM
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Is it an exclusive relationship? If not find more girls to hang with. By having many choices, it automatically makes you less needy.
/r/seduction06/06/11 09:11 PM
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Actually it DOES sound like an innergame issue. You try hard to contribute to the group, you are very reactive to the topic of conversation. And the fact that you are getting angry enough to want to hit them...you have some issues to work out.
/r/seduction06/06/11 09:10 PM
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lol sounds like someone is on a one man crusade to turn seddit to his own image. nice story, gl bro. And actually human interaction IS a twisted science. Psychology, look it up. while the rest of seddit is getting laid, you can keep posting about how you'd like to put each female interaction you have on a holy pedestal.
/r/seduction06/06/11 08:57 PM
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I'd avoid the age game...unless you really low-ball it. But anything women and age don't usually go well initially. If you called them out playfully, how did they respond from there? Did you keep pushing or back off?
/r/seduction06/06/11 08:48 PM
1

Why not get HB8's number? I think you are complicating the pickup by asking her to look you up. It looks like when its time to close you are sabotaging yourself.
/r/seduction06/06/11 08:46 PM
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I think its a fear that b/c you are a virgin, you are afraid that your lack of experience will lose the girl. You gotta start somewhere...get it done.
/r/seduction06/06/11 08:43 PM
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lol theres nothing seddit about this post...got drunk and hooked up...
/r/seduction06/06/11 08:41 PM
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Its harder to find smaller groups at festivals. You'll be dealing with alot of couples, families, and big groups of friends. Plus being day game, its not a easy place to do sets...
/r/seduction06/06/11 08:39 PM
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So what is it that YOU want to happen between you and this girl? Once you have answered your own question, then it all comes down to doing what you want to do.
/r/seduction06/06/11 08:35 PM
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LOL, how else do you think a field report works. If it's not analyzed in a set by step process how are you suppose to learn from your encounters? Not trying to insult you but once you actually submit something worthwhile to seddit, then you can criticize how its done.
/r/seduction06/06/11 08:33 PM
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sounds like someone is bitter
/r/seduction06/06/11 07:09 PM
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Call her out on it if it doesn't work. "Give me a number that actually works." or "You probably just had me dial your grandma, give me a number YOU use." It is pretty typical to dial the number when you get it so she has it too. Having the balls to ask for it if its a fake, will get the real one. Remember never take it personally, its just a game.
/r/seduction06/06/11 07:04 PM
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don't shit where you eat...that is all
/r/seduction06/06/11 05:58 PM
1

haha lmk. definitely down this weekend
/r/seduction02/06/11 09:43 PM
1

lol damn I wanna get in on this group! Sounds like you guys are on the westside tho :(
/r/seduction02/06/11 05:02 PM
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Every man has his kryptonite. The one where we break every rule of the game for... Glad you got out of it alive...
/r/seduction02/06/11 04:55 PM
1

Why not? Class 1 you can do in attraction. Class 2 in isolation/comfort, Class 3 late comfort/seduction.
/r/seduction02/06/11 04:12 AM
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Kino escalation? What kind of escalation are you talking about? http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/hlmra/dicarlo_escalation_ladder_concise_and_emphasized/ This might be?
/r/seduction01/06/11 07:11 PM
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Bring a friend. Preferably a girl but even if not bring a guy friend. This way you will have a "wing" to distract the obstacle. Otherwise, just flake. The right way when they respond to that is just say you'll be bringing a friend too. She is doing this because she feels that you will be making a move if you see her next time and she isn't comfortable completely with you to be with you alone at her house (I'm assuming your first date was at public places).
/r/seduction01/06/11 07:09 PM
1

Yea I do drink when I go out. But just a few and I usually start small talk to get my jitters out in clubs. Guess during the day I'm just going to have to push through it and start small talk.
/r/seduction01/06/11 07:05 PM
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My major sticking point is major AA during the day. In the clubs I can handle it and break through it. But during the day once I get AA, my mind starts making excuses. I know the 3 second rule but during the day is just so daunting. Any advice to overcoming day game AA?
/r/seduction01/06/11 05:57 PM
1

Really interested in this both GIVING frame instead of taking. Can you give me an example of that?
/r/seduction01/06/11 08:16 AM
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basically you showed you were a social person, and a leader of men by getting them into that game, etc. other stuff isn't specific enough for me to comment on.
/r/seduction27/05/11 08:20 PM
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Yea me personally, I gotta get more into the leading frame. Sometimes when I have the girl I turn too gentlemanly/afcish and lose the f-close...gotta work on that.
/r/seduction27/05/11 08:15 PM
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yea i mean for future. but do whats natural. seduction is always more of a trial and error anyways
/r/seduction27/05/11 08:13 PM
1

Lol stealing this
/r/seduction27/05/11 07:40 PM
1

Demonstration of higher value
/r/seduction27/05/11 07:38 PM
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Actually even if you get rejected and they see you talking to other girls, you are actually dhv'ing yourself. Keep cranking. Don't care what others think and never take a rejection personally, its all a game.
/r/seduction27/05/11 07:17 PM
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so she was already your friend right? not a cold approach? sounds like she was already attracted and just needed the right time to close.
/r/seduction27/05/11 07:14 PM
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up to you man. don't plan it out too far ahead, make it feel more spontaneous...but always think before you press that send button.
/r/seduction27/05/11 07:10 PM
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Actually I did just notice that too after you mentioned it and re-reading it. It progresses more like: WTF body language > dhv her, neg yourself > neg yourself a bit more. The joking mood helps and your items on the checkout lane sort of counters what you say so it comes off as funny, but if you switched it up to more like: WTF body language > dlv her > dhv yourself it would work, maybe better, but honestly with day game, you can probably be a lot less careful about what you say because their bi…
/r/seduction27/05/11 07:09 PM
1

agreed, her texting you is just an ego inflator..imo
/r/seduction27/05/11 07:04 PM
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Just don't come across as needy. IMO theres no set rules on this. But the best way is to actually be a busy person, so that you will have to fit them into your schedule and they will get that impression that the time you spend with them is valuable.
/r/seduction27/05/11 07:02 PM
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Haha to each their own i suppose.
/r/seduction27/05/11 06:59 PM
1

my sticking point is just day game AA, once i can get past that I can roll with it real easy.
/r/seduction27/05/11 06:58 PM
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You guys did intro's right? And she still should have your text her phone. Actually start with this "Hi Kinky [firstname] [lastname], (follow up with rest of text)" since you did save her as that in your phone. It should remind her it was you and it was an inside joke amongst you two. If this all happened last night I'd try to text early afternoon. Avoid texting on friday evenings up until Sunday morning/noon. I once accidentally saved a girl's number as a different name...and showed her (saved …
/r/seduction27/05/11 06:56 PM
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Lol well not word for word, but the layout of the opener. The ones I usually tend to go with in that situation is to switch the middle part with the stuff she is picking is obviously horrible for her, and mine is awesome, check out my awesome physic (which obviously would be a joke/sarcasm) But I'll switch it around and see how it works.
/r/seduction27/05/11 06:50 PM
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Actually love that last line hahahahaha. She is definitely interested if she asked for your name. Actually I agree with you completely for not complying with her request to stay. Especially at this point since you probably don't know how to handle with the whole "I have a boyfriend" line. You could have maybe thrown a "10 minutes?! how long does that guy take to put on some makeup and a dress?!" would get a good laugh out of her. Great start, keep it up.
/r/seduction27/05/11 06:46 PM
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i think this should go on asksedit
/r/seduction27/05/11 06:39 PM
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No it is awesome to go out alone, no one to hold you back, no safety group for you to waste your time on. You can go off the angle that you are new in town, ask girls for their opinions on what to do,etc...girls love giving opinions
/r/seduction27/05/11 06:37 PM
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Yea was sorta limited by the location. No corner booths only booth one side, and chairs on the other side. It was a middle table and no corner booths. In the end honestly its all calibration
/r/seduction27/05/11 06:33 PM
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Nice battling through AA, never take it personally, its all just a game. Blowout: Did you iso her or were you talking to her and her group? You don't have to keep on talking to your original target, if you find her friends cuter and shes a dull board, change targets. Cockblocks: Did you acknowledge him while he stood there or did you try to ignore him? Ignoring him actually DLV's you. This is actually an PERFECT time for some kino escalation. When he comes up to you, turn to him, put your arm ar…
/r/seduction27/05/11 06:32 PM
1

Actually thats a great way to reopen, but I would use maybe "How's those action figures in your toy chest? I hear Woodys are all the rage lately." (assuming she knows pop culture enough) or to that effect. Also since the discussion of sex has already came up and she has already conveyed her interest, you need to follow up with this quick. Also since you entered your name in her phone already, don't put your name at the end, you have to assume she will remember you.
/r/seduction27/05/11 06:20 PM
1

Lol honestly its sort of like a terms of use agreement...no one ever reads those.
/r/seduction27/05/11 06:16 PM
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Day game is IMO so hard for me, so props. Awesome situational opener btw...might steal it if the situation ever comes up. I feel like the pressure with both the chef girl and clerk got to you, but this tension is also a good way to close the girl. At this point I think someone mentioned a line to intro yourself (in the comments so far) and then just ask her for her number. After you get that out of the way the pressure from the two bystanders are no longer on you but on her. Now she will feel se…
/r/seduction27/05/11 06:15 PM
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agreed
/r/seduction27/05/11 06:02 PM
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Everyone has their own goals for seduction. If yours is to sleep with as many women as you want, then thats your choice. But I feel like the point of seduction is so that you have choices, and when you meet the girl you really truly want, you can game her and get what you truly want.
/r/seduction27/05/11 06:00 PM
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They are, but theres no #1 go here, #2 here, etc...gotta stupid proof it
/r/seduction27/05/11 05:52 PM
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I feel like the "are you down for some late night" might have been abit too rushed for that time being. But it is actually good she replied back to your text to decline. That was a direct result of you texting her right away when you got her number. Instead of saying your line I would have wrote something about her toy chest...it would be an awesome inside joke for between you two (Like: "Hows those action figures in your toy chest? Late night play date?" or something along those lines). Which w…
/r/seduction27/05/11 05:51 PM
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Awesome ladder. Will keep this in mind.
/r/seduction27/05/11 05:45 PM
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IMO There isn't really enough structure on Reddit to take someone noob and teach them the ropes completely. Most just come here and maybe do a search/post about what they are currently having trouble with and go from there. Not that its a bad thing, but to those who haven't been in seduction long it really doesn't help them much.
/r/seduction27/05/11 05:42 PM
1

True but this is a bit more subtle of one. Theres no harm in testing it out haha.
/r/seduction27/05/11 05:40 AM
1

Actually the tip is always sit next to them so you can kino escalate alot easier than across. Some people just aren't comfortable with feet kino unless you are very far along.
/r/seduction27/05/11 04:40 AM
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hmmm thats a pretty god observation. Thats why if you have the girl sit down first, usually you'll end up to her right, depending how the booth is situation I guess. But awesome tip i'll keep that in mind
/r/seduction27/05/11 04:39 AM
1

yea thats y i didn't push. it wasn't a huge deal and rather not fight her about it. But if it was much earlier in the kino phase, i would have playfully change my seat, and stuck my tongue out at her.
/r/seduction27/05/11 02:25 AM
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I probably could have pushed the issue...but it wasn't worth it. If she felt weird about it I'll respect her wishes. I'm already have enough kino with her where some extra there wouldn't have progressed it any further.
/r/seduction27/05/11 12:36 AM
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haha I almost wish it was a forever alone booth, then she has no choice!
/r/seduction27/05/11 12:22 AM
9

much harder to kino sitting across from her
/r/seduction27/05/11 12:22 AM
1

All girls club or not are game-able with structured game. Structured game doesn't mean u go through lines word by word, but you calibrate from the foundation of openers, dhvs, and routines.
/r/seduction26/05/11 11:13 PM
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I don't want to mention things like children to girls at a club...lol Plus if she is very anti children it could turn the set sour.
/r/seduction25/05/11 10:32 PM
1

Flowers are usually friends/family i'd google it.
/r/seduction25/05/11 07:25 PM
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Its a nice comfort building routine. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqMS8qusbNc
/r/seduction25/05/11 06:03 PM
1

You probably set off an alarm in his head when you mentioned he was only your second. He probably is afraid to get close and get into a committed relationship.
/r/seduction25/05/11 05:51 PM
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That or just throw out things you are doing in the near future. If she shows any interest tell her she can tag along. Make sure you are also framing those correctly. Don't tell them in a bragging manner but also throw it out in an interesting way. If there is something interesting place the place mention it. But DO NOT ASK if she wants to come along. If she shows no interest move onto another topic. If she shows interest like "oo that sounds cool" etc, then say something like "Well I guess you c…
/r/seduction25/05/11 05:40 PM
5

When something goes wrong, reframe. When you found the coffee shop closed say something like "NOOoo they heard I was coming and shut down shop! I always drink all their hot chocolate!" At this time you should have just ditched hot chocolate and done something else It is actually fine taking a girl from place to place, but you have to make each interaction fun for her and you. If you do it makes her feel like you have been on multiple dates due to the many venues you have been to. She obviously w…
/r/seduction25/05/11 05:29 PM
2

Well you can't get a girl out if you don't have any sort of contact with her. You would like you said either have to meet her out or ask her on facebook. You can't telepathically invite her out. My advice, don't post anything on her wall, use fb chat if she uses it. Since I don't know much of the details like, interest, distance, location, etc I can't comment more but obviously if you don't ask you won't get it.
/r/seduction25/05/11 05:20 PM
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I'm going to assume you are actually gaming at a club/bar w/o or with little alcohol. Some good routines are: The 5 questions game, The Cube, Marry Fuck Kill. You shouldn't need more than that, you don't want to end up being the entertainer. After these routines, I'd either throw in some soliciting values to build more comfort or move the girl to a diff location or diff venue or just simply close, depending what you want the outcome to be that night.
/r/seduction25/05/11 05:17 PM
2

Kudos on getting your life on track despite all that bad stuff happening. Sometimes seduction supplements someone's happiness in life, sometimes it defines happiness in life...what does it mean to you? Basically do you feel like it is a supplement in addition to your happiness in life, or is it a necessity in order for you to be happy in life. Based on how you answered #2, if it is just a supplement, then maybe you just need to completely get back on your feet so you can actually concentrate on …
/r/seduction25/05/11 10:39 AM
2

Then she also told the truth. she loses
/r/seduction25/05/11 10:28 AM
1

You are who you make yourself to be. You are a sum of your own experiences. Seducation/Game/etc whatever you call it, is a form of self improvement. Its not some magical wand you wave so that women sleep with you.
/r/seduction25/05/11 12:54 AM
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA I love advice #2. what a load of bull.
/r/seduction25/05/11 12:52 AM
10

haha I think I proved my point ;), thanks.
/r/seduction25/05/11 12:27 AM
3

I think you answered your own question. Lol she likes what she likes, so just hit those switches.
/r/seduction25/05/11 12:17 AM
5

haha yea on the sidebar on the right. Theres a link "openers". Some very basic info.
/r/seduction25/05/11 12:05 AM
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Tell you the truth I am quite cold initially to men I don't know who approach me This is actually quite common among girls who get approached a lot. And in your case your work environment I'm exposed to guys who almost always attempt to start a conversation by asking me questions about what I'm working on or what I'm reading That is actually called fluffing, which usually isn't a great way to approach with. And will usually get you shot down pretty easily. I love giving advice so asking my opini…
/r/seduction24/05/11 11:56 PM
7

It would be hilarious if we see a post tomorrow asking what to say to a girl who is getting back together with her bf and wants to remain friends.
/r/seduction24/05/11 11:49 PM
3

Well I don't mean "pickup lines"...which are horrid. And guys should never ever use those. But say they ask you an opinion on something, because there are a lot of openers to just basically get someone into a conversation with you, and you have been asked that question with those circumstances before. Or another example of a routine would be like a bar game you have played before and you know the twist in the game. But also like you said, first impressions break or make an approach. If their "du…
/r/seduction24/05/11 11:38 PM
10

I notice on seddit there are a lot of people who are extremely concerned that if the girl found out he was using, canned routines, basically if a girl recognized say a bar game or a line someone used before. So from your perspective, if you knew you were being gamed, how would you react? Would you be upset, or would you be intrigued?
/r/seduction24/05/11 11:26 PM
1

Since you don't know how to dance, just talk on the dance floor. You need to yell, learn to project your voice and never lean in. If you can't hear her, the proper way is to basically turn side to side with her so she can yell into your ear. For either party it feels more like friends whispering secrets and it won't feel like you are invading her space as much. For groups dancing you have to capture the entire group long enough so you can ISO. If you feel like your target is hooked/interested. J…
/r/seduction24/05/11 09:27 PM
1

The wonderful world of the game.
/r/seduction24/05/11 09:21 PM
1

Time to hit up the lovers anonymous lol.
/r/seduction24/05/11 09:15 PM
1

And remember I think mystery gave out this line: If she has friends there and you are in a huge neg battle. Make sure you don't make it look like to her friends that you guys are being hostile to each other, because you don't need the obstacles to break it up. When it gets heated, basically turn away from the target and tell the obstacles "This is called flirting". Then keep up the neg battle. And remember if you get stuck after one of her neg backs, just look at her, smile and say "respect". (f…
/r/seduction24/05/11 09:13 PM
1

I've read alot of fucked up shit about mothers turning their kids against their fathers. Don't let that happen. Sounds like she would do that too. Do you really need any other reason than that?
/r/seduction24/05/11 09:08 PM
1

You basically have to get yourself out of friend zone with her. That is what happens when someone isn't physically attracted to you. It is less your body type and looks but the fact that you are not sexual towards her at all (Your words, you said you turned off your sexual urges with her). Now she realizes that she actually does need that sexual part in her life but you are already friend zoned. Basically read up on issues dealing with friend zone, and make her see you as a sexual being. I don't…
/r/seduction24/05/11 09:03 PM
1

Don't FB close. Always go for at least a # close.
/r/seduction24/05/11 08:57 PM
1

Then take your kids. Better this way anyways. What mother doesn't want her kids? Obviously she has some psychological issues too. Single dads are actually sort of attractive to women because it shows the male as responsible, and able to take care of another life besides himself. She obviously no longer wants anything more to do with you. She doesn't want the kids, she moved on to another guy. What she is doing is just stringing you along. Delete her number, your kids should be your #1 priority r…
/r/seduction24/05/11 08:54 PM
2

Life isn't fair/equal. boom
/r/seduction24/05/11 08:51 PM
1

Kino kino kino. Doing the right kino escalation will lead to an f-close. Push-pull both kino and verbally. Hold her hand a bit, let it go. Go back to holding her hand then go to arm around her. Let go, repeat. Next go for a snuggle. Go up and get some water then sit back down not snuggling. Snuggle back....you get the gist. Basically 2 steps forward, one back with kino and work it up to a kiss first. Then keep it up. Go around seddit and read up on LMR for anything after the kiss/makeout.
/r/seduction24/05/11 08:50 PM
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lol good job, you just started on your journey. keep it up.
/r/seduction24/05/11 08:44 PM
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She left you for someone else. Obviously she isn't the one to stick through thick and thin, through health and sickness. I'm assuming she has custody of your kids, just make sure you can be a father to them the best you can.
/r/seduction24/05/11 08:40 PM
1

Barbers/stylists love to talk, try carrying on a conversation with them.
/r/seduction24/05/11 06:10 PM
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Lol looks like you need to master the last part of the game. Know when to turn it on and off.
/r/seduction24/05/11 06:08 PM
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First, you shouldn't need to stay in a set for more than 30 minutes if you are just going in for a # close (which is usually what I try for anyways). Know a few canned dhv routines, know a few good stories to tell, finally know a few bar games to play, like 5 questions, marry fuck kill, etc. That should last you 30 minutes, remember let the girl fluff talk first. As far as Kino goes, go watch lovedrop/mystery's youtube videos on kino escalation.
/r/seduction24/05/11 06:06 PM
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plan for something after dinner. Dinner first dates usually suck. Don't know what kind of night life your city offers so thats as far as I can say
/r/seduction24/05/11 06:03 PM
1

jus sayin they work the same, just yell lol
/r/seduction24/05/11 06:01 PM
1

Probably, forgot which book I read these from.
/r/seduction24/05/11 06:01 PM
1

Chloroform works alot better
/r/seduction24/05/11 04:54 PM
1

clubs are usually just louder and theres a dance floor.
/r/seduction24/05/11 04:53 PM
1

oh yea, we all know clubs aren't a true portrayal of real life. For those 4 hours, the ugliest side of mankind is usually seen. Thats why club game and day game differ so much.
/r/seduction24/05/11 04:53 PM
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Texting early works. You only look desperate depending on what you text. Key is she might be drunk at the club, barely remember you, but if she sees she's had a conversation through text with you already she is much more inclined to reply. Inside jokes always work. You only come off as a clown if you play the part of the entertainer. Inside jokes require 2 ppl to participate. An entertainer is just one. From my experience I set it up through text and they pick up a lot more often
/r/seduction24/05/11 04:52 PM
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Lol classic troll
/r/seduction24/05/11 05:12 AM
3

I only post field tested material I have personally used.
/r/seduction24/05/11 04:15 AM
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haha like this one.
/r/seduction24/05/11 03:38 AM
1

Direct doesn't work as well in clubs
/r/seduction24/05/11 03:37 AM
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So if she has played it do something else. Just because she's heard the game doesn't mean all of a sudden you are bust. I personally think its frustrating that the community is so SCARED of using these routines, just because its canned. These are not instant OMFG hes making me wet switches. These are so you can have a conversation with the girl. If she says shes heard it, now u can ask her oh where did you hear it from, how was it delivered, then now you can talk about common things, like did yo…
/r/seduction24/05/11 12:08 AM
1

Right now I'm still ironing out the kinks to my game so probably more quantity over quality at the moment.
/r/seduction23/05/11 11:53 PM
3

You just have to cut it short, and close. Just say "My stop is coming up so I might have to get going soon, give me your number, and we can continue another time if we get cut off." After she gives her number, continue as usual until either one of you have to get off.
/r/seduction23/05/11 11:40 PM
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The last question you win either way. She is: A. admitting she never played before, which would be telling the truth, therefore she loses. B. Admitting she has played the game before, which if she was telling the truth she loses, or if she was lying then you can claim well since you played it before the bets off since it only works once.
/r/seduction23/05/11 11:23 PM
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Thanks for finding this. This is a great tool for a k-close.
/r/seduction23/05/11 11:09 PM
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thats the beauty of it actually. You can count 2 OR 3. Either way she didn't lie so you win. omg guys this isn't meant to be a FAIR game, it is stacked in YOUR favor!
/r/seduction23/05/11 11:08 PM
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However long it takes her to get over the fact you walked out on her on a date. Like i said, apologize and mean it, cuz you fucked up. Then wait until she gets over it. Don't apologize and ask to set up another date, cuz then she'll read it as you are only apologizing to start dating her again. Just leave it open ended. And just check up on her once every two weeks or so to get a feel of how she is feeling towards you. Obviously I don't know this girl/her past/or anything about her, you'll have …
/r/seduction23/05/11 10:48 PM
1

Depending on the opener, the ones that have discussions will last longer than those simpler ones. You should be out of your opener in the first 2 minutes if its a short one, and no longer than 5.
/r/seduction23/05/11 10:36 PM
1

Interesting take on the club scene, and its pretty true actually the analytics, but obviously not a impartial article. He sounds pretty bitter in these lol.
/r/seduction23/05/11 10:35 PM
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Sounds like you fucked up on that one. Never take anything personally in the game. Only time will heal those wounds. Just man up, apologize for acting that way and she'll get over it eventually. Meanwhile find a new girl.
/r/seduction23/05/11 10:26 PM
2

I picked this one up from this phone/text game ebook I had. Maybe it was Magic bullets, don't remember specifically. Great book.
/r/seduction23/05/11 10:13 PM
2

There shouldn't ever be a need for question #5. If she lies and says she has played it or if she had indeed played it, then the bet is off, since you disclosed to her, it only works once and she needs to tell you if she has played it before. So either way...you win.
/r/seduction23/05/11 10:12 PM
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Well yes, what are you up to at 2:30am is abit weird. Only thing you should be texting is "Great to meet you get home safe" at that time (Any text after midnight where you are asking what she is up to is read as a booty call by women). And it won't work and will backfire unless you have her already extremely attracted and comfortable with you. However, at the club while you are still talking to her is a great window for texting her asap.
/r/seduction23/05/11 10:11 PM
1

Well as long as you understand the structure and have a good foundation. I admit improvising is fun, but I always fall back on structured game/canned routines in case the set sours/goes stale.
/r/seduction23/05/11 10:10 PM
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Interesting, I'll have to give this a try sometime. Though for me setting up a day two on a cold approach, is abit tougher to do, especially if either party has been drinking. Though I do understand your time-bridging which can be reinforced with insta-dates. But not every set will go that well so in more cases for me than not (and seemingly for most of the community) we gotta work from the number.
/r/seduction23/05/11 10:09 PM
1

If she is indeed having a bad weekend (if there are family problems etc) don't use a witty remark. Soothe it down with "hope you feel better, lmk if you need/want to talk." and try again some other time. Better to play it safe on this one for now and reengage later.
/r/seduction23/05/11 09:07 PM
1

5 questions game: http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/hia4k/routine_5_questions_game/
/r/seduction23/05/11 07:45 PM
1

1 - Don't wait for her to take out her phone to do it. You should be the one extending your phone out first. Don't ask like "Can I have your number", but make a demand "You seem like a cool person. Give me your number, we'll hang out sometime". 2 - 5 Questions game (From Style): I'll make a post on seddit and link you.
/r/seduction23/05/11 07:30 PM
1

Great for the basics of structured game! Laying a great foundation is the basis for good game.
/r/seduction23/05/11 07:28 PM
1

This is why if you are interested in a girl its a bad idea to take her out to the club/bar. She will get hit on, and now you have to play the AMOG and avoid others trying to game her. And it sounds like she was pretty fucked up though, I'd have a talk with her about her behavior and decide if you really dig this girl to hang out with her like this, or whether it should just be a short term thing.
/r/seduction23/05/11 07:25 PM
1

Answer - Getting it at the end makes it seem like you are just there to get the number. And once you get the number you say goodbye and leave. How does it feel to you if someone gets something from you, then leaves? Instead get it in the middle and keep talking, for at least 5 minutes. It makes it seem like a natural progression and you are interested in HER not getting her #. Second - Its nice to have some canned routines so you can DHV. It doesn't have to be super long. Theres the 5 questions …
/r/seduction23/05/11 07:17 PM
1

Yea I was going to make another thread for that. You need to be able to have them reply regularly to you before you even suggest a day 2. If they don't even feel comfortable texting with you back and forth or picking up your phone call, why would they even meet you for a day 2?
/r/seduction23/05/11 06:37 PM
1

Good stuff. Remember to not jump in too early when winging. Follow structured game, and hook after you are done with that conversation thread. Do you follow structured game, or do you just wing it? My suggestion is to learn a few canned routines so you know how to steer the conversation once your opener is played out.
/r/seduction23/05/11 06:32 PM
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Would go with something less strong of a portrayal of interest at first. Ask her a question like: "Do you know where the nearest starbucks is?" When she is answer the question that you don't really care about say: "Actually I can't lie to you, I just thought you were really cute and wanted to talk to you." Go from there. This is straight from the youtube videos for "Simplepickup"
/r/seduction23/05/11 06:28 PM
1

Then don't go out with them, or find a new group to go out with. Stop shooting yourself in the food.
/r/seduction23/05/11 06:25 PM
1

You have to also see if you are congruent with you personality online. She will notice any incongruencies and it seems like you certainly did. The problem with chatting online and then meeting is you still have to run game from the very beginning. Build attraction before moving to comfort before seduction. It seems like you are pretty new at the game, I would stick to structured game.
/r/seduction23/05/11 06:23 PM
2

ABC - always be closing
/r/seduction23/05/11 06:19 PM
3

Best way to disarm obstacles is to befriend them. There is no pride in gaming, never take it personally. Shes basically trying to rile you up, never get angry. Everything she says just take it as a joke. Say how much you loved that remark and how you guys are new best friends. You can even treat her like shes the guard dog of the group. And say how you are the say way, protective of your friends. Telling her off might have made you feel better, but it loses you the set. And in the end, she still…
/r/seduction23/05/11 06:17 PM
1

Lol next time just label it LMR.
/r/seduction23/05/11 06:08 PM
2

Nicknames, nicknames, nicknames. Helps them remember you and visa versa. A great line to text after meeting someone who drank a lot is: "I would do unspeakable things for a Tynenol right now. Hows your day going, binge drinker?"
/r/seduction23/05/11 06:06 PM
2

I don't really know how much DHV's you actually built up at the concert. Seems more like one-liners while she laughed and contributed little. Learn some canned routines (the cube would have been PERFECT for this), you guys were basically fluffing and building comfort, and if there isn't enough attraction built up you'll be friend zoned at best. Good stuff on texting early, but next time get her number earlier, not right before you guys are about to part ways.
/r/seduction23/05/11 05:31 PM
2

You've already portrayed ALOT of interested and you pushed hard for her to commit already. I'd say drop it. It has already gotten past the point of salvaging it.
/r/seduction23/05/11 05:25 PM
1

Sounds like you went to ExchangeLA. I used to frequent there a-lot, great club. LMK if you want to get more into the asian club scene here in LA, its usually where I hit up. On this kiss thing. Its always better to throw a few compliance tests on the girl to see how warmed up she is to you. You might have just overstepped your Kino bounds when you went in for a peck the first time. One awesome way I test it is, you ask them to kiss you on the cheek first. Say something that will get her laughing…
/r/seduction23/05/11 05:22 PM
0

This sort of risky...but you can use Style's lint trick on this one. Once she asks you, say "hold still", hopefully you have a piece of lint (from your pockets or something), reach over with it hidden in your fingers and act like you plucked it from her shirt. Then take her hand put it palm up, and put it on her hand....and say "lint". Move on into another thread. I have NOT field tested this.
/r/seduction23/05/11 05:13 PM
4

to each their own
/r/seduction23/05/11 05:09 PM
-1

If they don't even have the balls to approach, its not worth your time. Vulture is actually a good word haha, but totally not a seduction technique. They are just hovering by you hoping the girls would notice them and either invite them over or give them some indication to approach. And it IS creepy.
/r/seduction23/05/11 05:08 PM
1

My feelings exactly. I'm a big proponent of structured game and canned material. Its a great basis for beginners to learn to set their foundations before they decide to branch off and use situational openers and go with the flow.
/r/seduction22/05/11 06:37 PM
5

awesome technique, will steal
/r/seduction22/05/11 05:54 PM
-2

lol good stuff, will keep these in mind
/r/seduction22/05/11 05:52 PM
2

sound abour right
/r/seduction22/05/11 03:39 PM
4

Its fine, actually puas actually suggest gaming sober/clear headed. It is an ART after all. If you have trouble keeping convo going, keep your sets to 15-25 minutes max and learn some canned routines.
/r/seduction22/05/11 05:50 AM
4

You set off the slut alarm. it was a solid LMR, you should have just backed out and performed standard anti-LMR
/r/seduction22/05/11 05:48 AM
1

Haha yea I've yet to first day f-close. I feel more comfortable going for a day-2/3. Not saying I don't want to, but I guess thats something I'm working towards. Kino escalation is a pretty big sticking point overall for me.
/r/seduction22/05/11 03:09 AM
1

oops i mixed it up, it was HB#1 who had the bf
/r/seduction21/05/11 07:15 PM
1

You don't want to keep asking questions. You need to make these answers you get from your first few question develop into a conversation. First you obviously don't know the person/girl, you have to ask certain question. Have opinions on these and make these answers develop into a conversation. Once you have a conversation you can develop connections from the similarities or even differences that you share. Then go from there. Don't sit all night pelting the girl with questions, you'll come off a…
/r/seduction21/05/11 03:52 AM
1

Total agree. When you make it firm that you will text/or call her make sure she will comply. Also right after you get the number, don't leave immediately. This is a huge mistake alot of us make (me included). You usually get the number at the last possible minute before you eject. Next time go for it in the middle, towards the end. Then stay another 5 minutes talking about something else. If you leave immediately it makes it seem like you are just in it for her number. But if you stay after the …
/r/seduction21/05/11 03:45 AM
1

That allergen test thing is money, you just overstayed your kino welcome. hi5's are awesome... a good variation is after the hi5, keep you hand up there, if she keeps hers its warming up. After that for another hi5 keep it up now lock your fingers between hers, if she does it back, another good compliance, twirl her if you guys are standing, then let go. Just like with language Kino is push pull, just without words.
/r/seduction21/05/11 03:43 AM
1

sounds like you got a new game plan, good luck and good hunting :)
/r/seduction21/05/11 03:34 AM
1

Lol I have yet to find one that has heard one of my openers. Stop thinking about it too much. Until your sets starts going bad due to canned openers then ditch them.
/r/seduction21/05/11 02:49 AM
1

Just wait a day, if no replies, call the #, if no answer move on
/r/seduction20/05/11 10:45 PM
1

don't we all
/r/seduction20/05/11 10:44 PM
3

Theres nothing wrong with canned routines. I sarge in LA, its a huge city, only ever been called out once. Don't make it a big deal and it wont' be. Just because they know doesn't mean you'll lose the set. I don't usually use canned openers anymore, but once in a while I do if I'm not yet in the zone. but the best friend test and things like the cube works wonders.
/r/seduction20/05/11 09:41 PM
2

Your preferences are your preferences...you shouldn't need others to qualify your desires.
/r/seduction20/05/11 07:09 PM
1

overall seems pretty weird...I probably woulda done the same thing...this one stumps me
/r/seduction20/05/11 06:58 PM
1

Girls are always looking for the guys to lead...if you don't lead on making a move they'll friend zone you.
/r/seduction20/05/11 06:45 PM
1

haha go right ahead, its an awesome compliance test
/r/seduction20/05/11 06:44 PM
1

Steer the convo, or go talk to someone else.
/r/seduction20/05/11 06:27 PM
1

You might have just been friend zoned bro. Sounds like classic friend zone.
/r/seduction20/05/11 05:32 PM
2

The old "That was fun, we should do it again" is a silent killer....don't ever use it. If you call they don't pick up, don't leave a VM. Text imo is always a better way to go
/r/seduction20/05/11 05:21 PM
1

How long before meeting them did you arrange the date. For those that you hadn't run enough solid game I'd set the meetup asap. Fridays and Saturdays are high commitment days of girls, sometimes they'd have to pick going out with their friends who they've known for a while...or you who they just met...who do you think they'll pick after they think about it when not in the moment? Don't try to go for a commitment, throw out interesting things you are doing, and if they say "oh thats interesting" …
/r/seduction20/05/11 05:11 PM
2

Great FR, keep it up!
/r/seduction20/05/11 05:00 PM
1

Look leave it up to fate if you will ever see this girl again. You have already built up this approach as too big of a thing... Go approach some other girls and practice.
/r/seduction19/05/11 09:25 PM
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