You see a hot girl a club/bar and you approach her. What do you say to her?

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I've actually grown to hate them too! I really wanted to like them as I like the concept, but in practice they just always seemed to get me off on the wrong footing in some way. Also, at least here in the UK, girls really aren't interested in chatting to some random dude about these things? So often I got a confused look and somewhat muted reaction from her as if she either wondered why I was asking HER out of everyone all, or she just looked at me like she knew this was my attempt to pick her up and she thought it was weak!

Pretty sure I used my last opinion opener of my life last week and will look for different way (unless i go visit the US where I imagine they might work better)

Out of interest how do you tend to open girls in bars? And what do you typically follow up with directly after in order to get a convo going?

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I dont know them so I cant tell. I assume every girl is a little bi because everyone knows women are attractive creatures. You don't have to do anything but make them attracted to each other. They will get each other horny and it's pretty much unspoken that a guy has to be involved so they can justify not being straight up bi.

You make them both think the other girl wants to do stuff. I'll say stuff that makes it so one of the girls has to agree with me or it will be kind of rude lol. Then the other girl thinks she's into her sexually and that will usually turn her on and start things off.

I say stuff like. "Don't you think she's cute?" Or "I think she has a crush on you." "Don't act like you don't want to make out with her, go ahead she won't mind, I mean it's just a kiss" "go agead and feel her up I see you checking her out"

It's kind of like when you were in grade school and there's those to kids that everyone knows they like each other so you kust keep egging them inbto do stuff like go out and hold hands and kiss. They are being all shy and nervous and you are just acting like its not a big deal because its not you. So you just take it apon yourself to egg them on as much aa possible and it's kind of like you are living threw them.

You can be very direct and out spoken because it's not about you. I'll just tell girls to spank her ass or I'll just grab their heads and tell them to make out. I can't remember it ever not working no matter how crazy I was being.

Sry I know this is long but I remember this one time I went to a college party and I didn't even go to college so I only knew the guys I came with. I just walked up to these two hot girls and said "you should totally make out, I kniw you think she's hot go ahead. Look at her she's waiting for you" Girls want to do this stuff but they need justification.

I can't tell you how many times I just grabbed two girls heads and shoved them together. As long as you put the responsibility on you so they feel like it wasn't really their decision then they will be glad to do all kinds of stuff with girls. Girls are non threatening and hot so why not. It's best if you don't do any flirting yourself tho. You don't want them thinking about having sex with you at all. It will set off all kinds of flags and everything will be ruined. Its all about them and you aren't even expecting to sleep witg them. They will bring you in once they make each other horny all day.

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Meh. I know if I want to sleep with a girl the moment I see her. I spend the time opening verifying this.

I don't go for fast pulls. I go for fast numbers if I can't get the pull. If I'm going to pull I could stay in a set for like an hour. I usually eject out of a set if the chick says something I don't like. I tend to get a lot of "black guy chasers" for instance, and I hate those. So I don't just indiscriminately fuck.

I don't usually never talk to a girl that I've pulled again. If a lay happened, it usually happens a few more times and now she's in rotation. I've had very few true one night stands. I go on dates, etc. so I'm still building connections.

As for social circles...I don't really like to have sex with too many girls in my social circle. I also don't really like 3+somes. Fun for the novelty, but I don't really enjoy it. I'm more into the intimate one on one sex. So we have different goals. Our approach to how we game would be different as a result.

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I can tell you right now that you probably didnt use a false time constraint and your body language didn't look like you were about to walk away. Keep your toes pointed away from them. This is crucial to doing an opinion opener but I know for a fact that opinion openers have the best open rate if you use them right and you are in a setting where you can talk and be easily heard.

Try to make sure that it comes off natural. I'm usually really engaged in conversation with my wing man then I'll just step over and ask real quick. If they are further away and I have to walk up to them then I'll add in that me and my friends have been arguing about this all night and maybe you can help settle this. If she looks at me like why are you asking me of all people then I'll just say that I don't know why I'm asking you of all people you just seem like you would know a lot about relationships, maybe it's ur hair or something. I use this opener a lot because it works 95% of the time if you do it right.

After that you are just in conversation but you still make it seem like you are about to leave by body rocking until you hook the set and get locked in. Me and my wing do a routine to hook the set where he walks up to me without looking at any of the girls and says hey man these girls want to meet up with us. If I want to stay in the set I'll say ok but these girls are kinda cool don't be rude ladies why don't you introduce yourselves.

If I don't like the set then I'll politely say goodbye to the girls. If I need more time then I'll just say ok gimme a sec. Then to hook the set I'll say hey before I go me and my boy are throwing a party and we have been practicing this party trick to entertain our guest. Let us practice on you. Then we do our trick. The girls are always super impressed and throughly entertained and they go out of their way to keep us in the set because now they are having way more fun then they were. We are now locked in the set and we start making the girls qualify themselves.

If I'm ny myself then I'll still try to do something very entertaining to get locked in the set. Best friends test is always good. Or I'll tell a sort of stand up routine type joke that is disguised like a story. When you have girls busting out laughing you are definitely going to be locked into the set. Until I'm locked in my body language says I'm just about to leave. This makes the girls nervous that the fun will end and they will go back to being bored andbthey will usually go out of their way to get you to stay.

They usually do this by offering to buy me a drink because I'm never holding a drink. I've had more baddies buy me drinks than I can count. Give the opinion opener another go, just trust me on that. If not I have other openers if you want to hear them but if I saw the most gorgeous girl in the world and I just really wanted her badly, there's no reality where I wouldn't use an opinion opener lol

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In honesty I haven't tried LOADS of opinion openers so i've maybe not given them a fair run, but i've maybe done like 40 of them, and I feel like they give me the worst results personally. My last one was actually last weekend (as I said before, it was kind of the straw that broke teh camels back lol). I FTC and was like ''Do you think kissing is cheating?''. And she slowly repeated it back to me in a sort of sarcastic way. I 'rooted' the opener anda told her about how me and my friend were talking, and she just looked at me like a retard and then turned away from me lol.

Maybe it's just an issue with British girls. We don't tend to talk to strangers here and girls are much more 'guarded' and so having someone ask to get into a discussion is maybe a bit unsual for them. If you were in the UK, on the rare occassion someone opens a girl, 99% of the time you will hear ''You alright??'', or ''How's your night going?''. I guess because it's 'low pressure' for the girl.

I can certainly imagine them 'working' better on American girls, although then I kind of think ANYTHING will work (as far as opening a set) on American girls since they are so friendly and social with strangers in my experience

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Im just confused by this. You are talking to her to open the set by getting her opinion. The opener is supposed to take up usually less than 1 min maybe 2 tops.

You are only trying to open the set, deactivate her bitch shields, display higher value and put yourself in position for her to qualify herself to you. You can usually start kino esculation immediately as well. "Oh I agree with that, high five". You can easily do push pull as a response as well as all kinds of other stuff. The male to female interaction comes really quickly threw kino and eye contact.

2 minutes is not delaying the game. Getting blown out of the set is delaying the game. You don't need to know logistics and all that in the first 5 minutes. You don't really need to do anything but run the set to know if you can realistically pull. My logistics are already figured out for the most part. I have a place, what's the problem?

How are you going about opening a set?

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But you don't even care about her opinion. It's a pointless opener.

High fives are lame. Please don't high five girls unless they're just your home girl or it's a genuine reaction to something you think is awesome. Not as a physical escalation blueprint. A normal introduction allows you to physically escalate in a more meaningful way than a high five anyway (because turning a high five into a hand hold is a low percentage move off of an opener like that). You can also push/pull in a direct introduction type opener. It's also instantly man-woman. It's instantly spiking emotions. It's just all around good.

I like to know within 5 minutes whether I'm going for a pull or trying to get a number. The reason being: I don't like sticking in sets for longer than necessary. I only stay in a set for 20 minutes tops for a number. I do a lot of approaches. I hit less approaches and less venues if I spend too long in a set that isn't pulling. Logistics aren't just about what you have going on. Who is she there with? How protective are her friends? Are you going to have to pull a group? Is it worth the time? What time does she have to be up in the morning? For me these are the most important things to know and they determine how I'm going to run the entire set. Therefore, I like to know them before I've invested any real amount of time.

I open a set by just saying: "Hi, I'm TheManWithThreePlans, you have an...interesting look," or "Hi, I'm TheManWithThreePlans, you're kinda cute,"

I don't think I've gotten blown out of an opener at a bar for years now. If I get blown out, it's usually later, because of an incompatibility. What you say on the opener doesn't really matter as long as it isn't too off the wall like: "I'm going to fuck you in the ass tonight" (though...that actually works. Just really low percentage). Certain openers just get more done than others. An opinion opener works to open the set and start a conversational thread, but it doesn't do much else.

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You arn't likely going to get blown out right off the open unless the girl is rude. You can basically walk up and say anything just like you said. But having a girl invite me into vip, buy me a drink and start flirting and qualifying herself right away is making things really easy for me. If I say "hi Im judahmam, you have an interesting look" then I'm already showing a lot of interest and it becomes and up hill climb to get her chasing me unless she was just really into me from the start. Stuff like that just doesn't happen with a direct opener. If the girl is a ten then its going to be especially hard to recover from an opener like that.

High fives are just an easy way to initiate kino on the lowest level. There's nothing wrong with them at all. I try to kiss close in 15 minutes so I'm not moving slow at all. I don't bother number closing. All of those logistical things you mentioned can be misleading and you usually have to constantly calibrate logistics.

I don't need to know all of that stuff before I seduce her. To me that's a waste of time that I can be using to seducr her. Logistics can be extremely flexible after you seduce her. Im using a bunch of techniques that make most of those things you mentioned irrelevant so I'm not really concerned with most of them. The rest I can figure out threw simple observation, I don't need to deligate time to it that I could be using to seduce.

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All that you said happens off of a direct opener for me. My openers are direct but they're push/pull. "Interesting how? In a good way? A bad way?" "Kinda cute? What?" Shit, sometimes chicks run game, isolate and close me. It's all about congruence. What place is your opener coming from? This'll be indicated in your vocal tonality and body language.

As long as you aren't like...actually ugly (which most guys can fix anyway), it usually instantly hooks.

Logistics do change, so it's good to bounce around sets you've opened if you see them again throughout the night. However, getting logistics doesn't just have to be an information exchange. Make it playful and flirtatious. It's part of the game.

I don't like kissing at the bar (sometimes I get caught slipping when I go in for a hug and the girl goes in for the kiss though...), so that's another game difference.

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then I'm already showing a lot of interest and it becomes and up hill

I think it comes down to this. One part of the community is worried about showing interest, and for the other part of the community, that IS what 'game' is and it's absolutely the last thing you want to hide.

I guess the most important thing to remember is that there doesn't appear to be a 'right way' or a 'wrong way' since im sure we both know that there are wildly successful PUA's who methods are at polar opposites, and maybe it's just about which way you feel comfortable with and what suits you better. (so in a sense, 'game' isn't really a skill and doesn't exist in the way we think it does)

But it's hard to tell people 'never show intent straight away' or whatever when they could just link you to some evolutionDaily infields of him killing it by telling girls they are hot as an opener. Similarly , it doesn't make much sense to tell someone ''No, you need to always be super direct and show your vulnerabiilty. It's the only way'' when someone would then link you too a mystery infield where he's hiding his dick and his intent until she's thowing mad IOI's his way and it works for him

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Both work but one works better than the other from what I've seen. Im pretty confident that going direct during night game can only be pulled off consistently by certain types of people and fewer girls that are not as hot are more likely to respond to it. Pulling a ten by going direct is basically a suicide mission. Plus looks end up playing a much bigger role as well. I dont feel like the opposite is true. I'm the kind of person that can pull off direct night game well but I still do way better going indirect.

It's not that you can't pull off going direct during night game because you can. With that being said, I feel like even you would end up doing better going indirect for night game if you practice doing it properly for a while. Even so, if you just enjoy going direct then that's cool too. Sometimes I'm just in the mood to go direct. If you are doing great going direct and you like it then there's really no problem.

It's just an opener anyways but I've done enough testing with my buddies and we found that practicality any schmuck can go indirect and hook most sets but only certain people can pull off direct night game and it's just a lot more challenging. I go to a lot of high end clubs and lounges and I assure you that going direct doesn't work on really hot girls that have a lot of social proof like models and stuff. It just doesn't work unless you have an extreme amount of social proof yourself.

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Title	You see a hot girl a club/bar and you approach her. What do you say to her?
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Date	July 3, 2018 11:19 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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