I can't be the only one to have noticed the change (here and elsewhere) when it comes to the definition of 'game' and seduction.

I feel like the current definition from the vast majority (GROUP 1)almost everywhere is basically ''What you say doesn't matter. She's either into your looks or she's not. You can't change her mind''. ''As per Mark Manson, there's yes, no and maybe girls. If she's a 'no' girl, move on. It will never happen'' Heavily upvoted post earlier further confirms that.

Then there is GROUP2. These people say ''Game is a skill!!'', BUT what's interesting is that when you push them on it, they kind of back-peddle a little and reveal that by 'game' they are almost exclusively talking about eye contact and body language!

That's all well and good, but to then say ''just learn game, bro! You'll get it in a year or 2'' when they are talking about eye contact is kind of insulting and ridiculous lol.

Sometimes i'll read a post from someone who is telling me how 'game is a skill' and i'll then see him reply to someone else with something like ''Ask her out! If she says no, then she's not interested'. Well, no shit. But isn't the idea to damn well MAKE her interested??!

And then there's GROUP3. The true 'hardcore PUA's.(whether they are actually successful or not is another story!) They are now in the VAST minority. Basically people probably from the mysterymethod days who at least want to believe that with various techniques, you can make every girl wanna bang you. That there's much much more too it than good bodylanguage. That it's not a numbers game at all. You can get just about every girl you desire, even if she is an 18 year old perfect looking cheerleader, and you are an old, broke, Danny DeVito looking dude!

They are the people i'm addressing in this post.

To be clear, I don't necessarily agree with them (GROUP 3). My personal experience so far probably puts me in GROUP1 (the majority :( ) so far, if i'm being completely honest (after maybe 14 months of approaching). But I still think it would benefit the community if we started trying to put some meat on the bone as the term 'seduction' really doesn't seem to mean what I think it should mean, anymore.

I see lots of posts which are essentially, 'how do I seduce this girl at work/school/at the bus/etc. And the advice is always ''You shouldn't be needy. If you have to ask you've already lost her'', ''Just have a good fun life with hobbies. The girls will come'', ''Ask her out. If she says no, move on''. All good advice, but nothing to do with seduction in my book.

Lets imagine you are in a bar.

We'll forget about social proof for now. You don't have a hareem of hot girls all over you to make girls curious or 5 wingmen singing your praises. You are on your own. Maybe with one new wingman. You spot a hot girl. She's an 8.5. You are a 5. You can't rely on your looks to attract her. She's already glanced at you and she isn't interested and doesn't give you a second thought. But you want her. GO!!!

Talk about the kinds of things you will say at each stage of the interaction. Things to get her emotions going. Things to attract her SEXUALLY to you. Other 'techniques' you might use to 'game'/seduce her. Give Lots of examples of things that you believe a seducer will say that can allow you to compete with the handsome hunk playing pool in the corner! You're reply should be mainly examples. I want people to be able to go out and actually test this shit!! Or maybe you wanna bang your hot babysitter!! She's not into you....YET! What do you say to her to make her want you!?