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Male erasure

Odd_Champion2599

January 13, 2025

160 upvotes

People like to complain about female erasure due to transgenders, because of course they do in our feminist world.

However, male erasure actually exists, and it exists literally everywhere.

Everything is marketed towards women. Literally everything. School supplies, Technoloy, video games, always have hardly any men in them. Male activities are marketed towards women. Fucking banks are marketed towards women, look at PayPal's website and see how many women are on the website and how many men are on it. Even in computer science, you'll often see portrayals of the field having it of mostly women, even though it's 80% men, and should be higher because men are very obviously discriminated against in the field, as they are in every field, especially male-majority ones.

Male erasure is literally everywhere in all things. Even commercials for male products make the contempt for men (from the female marketing team), extremely obvious. Old spice commercials for men recently have been filled with male fucking losers and dweebs, and then there is the infamous gillette commercial.

It's very bad as it stands.

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Title	Male erasure
Author	Odd_Champion2599
Upvotes	160
Comments	43
Date	January 13, 2025 10:16 PM UTC (1 year ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1i0qaum/male_erasure/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/male-erasure.1541361 https://theredarchive.com/post/1541361

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[–]jessi387 48 points49 points50 points 1 year ago (23 children) | Copy Link

[–]Odd_Champion2599[S] 23 points24 points25 points 1 year ago (15 children) | Copy Link

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[–]jessi387 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (8 children) | Copy Link

[–]Odd_Champion2599[S] 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Very correct.

I am young, early 20s, so just getting my foot set in the world pretty much.

But I'm pretty committed to this men's rights thing.

Something I've thought is that men are so low in neuroticism relative to women that they just need to be srsly going through it to finally change things, which I hope might be the case within the next 5-10 years.

I think men can make a real movement if some organization happens.

If you're interested, I've started r/MraOrganization as well as a discord here Discord. It's still very knew (literally like 6 days), but I'm hoping to get the ball rolling over time.

Media creation is easier than ever thanks to the internet, which can you see from all sorts of indie games made by like 1 to 5 people. Something cool with media is that it is so easily transmissible you can share your message really fast really quickly if you have the money to do it or if you have enough people just sharing it from the ground up.

Snoot game is some furry 4chan parody game that was made by a couple 4channers. If they can do that, I'm sure MRAs can do something like that too.

If you have the time, I would recommend joining. It's all good if you don't, life is understandably busy. For me, this is a better usage of time than defeatistly ruminating over feminism, even if its fledgling.

[–]jessi387 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Odd_Champion2599[S] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Amneus's claim is essentially that it was patriarchy that birthed civilization. There have never been matriarchal societies because matriarchies aren't capable of creating societies. The reason for this is female-headed families cause all sorts of intense relational strife through their relational aggression. Female-headed families also lead to more crime. We can see this in the fact that, although most criminals are men, most of these male criminals come from single mother homes. This means that these men become criminals because of the socialization from their mothers, which is easily proven by the fact that men from father-containing homes do not grow up to be maladapted criminals.

I'm sure jessi387 can explain it better, since I have just been introduced to Amneus yesterday, but this is my impression of his claim so far, and it seems very true to me. i have thought much of the same myself even before being introduced to Amneus.

Also, wikipedia is not reliable. They often use sources like MSNBC, which is not a serious source by any means. There are also feminist organizations who dedicate LOTS of time to editing it to be pro-feminist. No, wikipedia is not reliable.

[+]graveyardlamb 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Okay so what you mean by "female-headed families":: women who do all the domestic labour including the raising of kids while working full-time jobs? Because that's most of em.

Youre sneaking in a lot of academic buzz word terminology. Unfortunately it does not support your argument in any way.

Ironic that you left out single fathers. probably because they are rare.

Wikipedia is reliable with the occasional unjust use of nuanced, subjective language. they do fix this a lot. I've actually met someone who worked as a moderator for Wikipedia. Wikipedia is more reliable than an outdated book about opinion-based ideology. I probably wont read this book I can't lie to you, the guy just wasn't influential enough to spark my interest. Not even his university degree contributed to his credibility.

saying wikipedia isnt reliable contradicts your implication that the amneus guy is. his work is fully subjective social theory, not factual peer-reviewed research.

a lot of your opinions are unconscious bias. I hope you work it out some day :) no hate to you. youre probably some american guy just chilling at home rn. i hope you grow as a person and actually contribute to the men's rights movement - a completely separate movement from the feminist movement btw. dont direct it that way. no one is taking away your rights. the ruling positions are male-dominated anyway. we live in a capitalist world. never forget that

[–]Odd_Champion2599[S] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Single fathers are rare, but they are still studied, and the outcomes for single fathers pretty much equivalent to 2 parent households. It's the father that makes the difference.

Women don't do all of the domestic labor and childrearing along with fulltime work. That's a myth that feminists pass around (because feminists are cluster B pathological human beings who have socialized pretty much all women to be cluster B pathological human beings). Child rearing and labor market work are proportional to the hours worked. Men work more hours outside the home, and women more inside the home. Although it's pretty close because of higher female working than in the past, so it's pretty close to equal. Where women do work as much as their husbands, the child rearing is equal.

It's not academic buzzwords. Female-headed families are families that take the emotional state of the woman and let her make the decisions. Male-headed families take the emotional state of the man and the man makes the decisions. Male-headed families are better. Patriarchy is a good thing.

Wikipedia isn't reliable. Amneus uses statistics like the ones indicating that single-motherhood is horrible, and single fatherhood is not worse than 2 parent households.

Have you ever known a woman to calm down a room, or is always a man to calm down a room, often full of women? You know the answer. Women are emotionally maladapted.

[+]graveyardlamb 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Literally none of what you said is backed up by any real information at all. these are all theoretic opinions. you spend too much time on the internet. I may seem like i do but im just a really fast texter overall and i read a lot. howeverrr have it your way based on this comment of yours I can determine you have no interest in discussing reality because you prefer your male-centric fantasy. i think you should really stop considering women as an instrument in your utopic society and consider male-exclusive spaces, like them survivor camps men spend tens of thousands to attend. you can adopt male kids if you wish? who needs a mother if single fathers produce the same kids as two-parent families. at the same time i think the straight women out there may prefer to join your community. personally i would want to form a queer exclusive society. if we work together you can build your empire and steer the people away from my empire that i dont want. peace out

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"Yeah, it's incredibly fucking sadistic and evil.

It has to be opposed very intensely. As intensely as they wish to make it become a reality.

They are, in effect, ostracizing men in every sector of society."

Replace the word 'men' with 'women' and you represent real history instead of hypothetical, under researched ideology. Don't talk about propaganda if you are actively spreading it on the internet. I could debunk all of your claims easily but I prefer to dive deeper tbh.

TOPIC 1: I don't understand why you think feminist women seek to replace men with women or "rise past" them, in a sense. I guess I'm done explaining this to someone of your IQ (i can tell by the way you form arguments), but you really have no clue what it's like to be a woman unless you have experienced it.

Women do not know what it's like to be men either and that's a fact. However, as the majority of discrimination has historically targeted and continues to overwhelmingly target women, there are imbalances in privilege. I think women can experience second-hand male privilege and men can experience second-hand misogyny (especially gay men). EXAMPLE: if you openly declare your love for something traditionally feminine, that femininity and its association with women would make you a secondary target for misogynist ideology and stigma. This is a manifestation of feminine qualities being exclusively associated with women throughout history, making it nearly impossible for a man to possess the same/similar feminine qualities without experiencing second-hand misogyny at the expense of women. So, if this is what you've experienced in the past, you may already have some insight.

Women can experience second-hand male privilege by being accompanied by a man in situations where it otherwise would not be safe, such as walking outside at night. The safety that comes with this privilege may be compromised if said man possesses a so-called 'feminine quality' associated with women as I mentioned in my paragraph above, such as short height or a petite build (because other men on the streets would perceive these as feminine qualities and therefore weak, because weakness and fragility are associated with feminine qualities and so on).

Everybody being able to walk outside at night would be cool! (this is the most generic example but I'm leveling with you).. Because women would get to feel safe the way men do without having to be accompanied by a man = uncompromised autonomy). Eexcluding areas where violent crimes are statistically high, but even then women are at a higher risk of being not just physically assaulted but also s****** assaulted. 10 out of 10 times the aggravators of these violent crimes are men, either men toward men or men toward women.)

NEXT TOPIC: Transwomen experience a certain type of transmisogyny and it is in many ways similar to misogyny that targets cis women.

SUGGESTION: If you dressed up as a woman fully and went outside, there is a high chance you could possibly experience the everyday life of women, especially that of trans women, that is, if you naturally have physical characteristics that are typically associated with masculinity. Putting yourself at risk for this type of discrimination is not worth it and don't actualy do it, but. I'm just saying.

[–]Odd_Champion2599[S] 4 points5 points6 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Being quippy doesn't make you right.

Men did not ostracize women in every sector of society. This is effeminate historical revisionism. Women have always had their specific spaces. Nuns, Midwives, nurserys. They've also had their specific spaces that don't relate to maternity, which is an obvious complaint you will have if I don't preemptively address it. Nursing, Hospice care workers, School teachers, Secretarial work, Typists, etc etc. Furthermore, the only reason why male and female majority jobs even exist in the first place is because of differences in interest. Women have historically always been able to enter into male majority jobs. Women were not given equal authority to men (justifiedly), but that doesn't mean they were ostracized. That isn't true.

"I don't understand why you think feminist women seek to replace men with women or "rise past" them, in a sense."

I think that feminist women seek to replace men because I can see it in their actions. Saying that "I don't understand why you think this way" isn't an argument. Look up female majority jobs and male majority jobs on google images. Both come up with majority female workers. I can literally see men being replaced in their own field. Saying that you don't understand isn't a valid argument.

I know what it's like to be a woman. Being a woman involves being pathologically obsessed with assenting to social norms regardless of their truthfulness because of a fear of being ostracized. It involves not caring about the truth but instead living in emotional la la land. It involves being needlessly neurotic and pretending threats exist were they don't so you can have more power. Yes, I do know what it's like to be a woman, because I can see their actions everyday.

The majority of discrimination targets men. In fact, women face zero discrimination in society. I'm going to make a new post about this, but essentially what we are is constantly gaslighted about the social norms we live in each and every day. Their are PSAs about toxic males that are incredibly character-assassinating. Boys and men are discriminated against under the law in school, work, charity, media representation (the character assassination is intense and endless), etc etc. men are discriminated in every sector of society. Women think that if they repeat it enough, that it will become true that they are discriminated against, and everyone will just believe them. Well that buck stops with me. Women aren't discriminated against in any part of society. The gaslighting is insufferable, and needs to stop. Google and Apple and other conglomerates spend billions of dollars overtly discriminating against boys by giving girls more opportunities in stem, even though the field is only male-majority because men are actually just interested in it more. James Damore was fired for stating the truth. You're just straight up gaslighting about social norms.

There is no misogyny. Only misandry. If you look at the media, you can very clearly see men are insulted and degraded literally all of the time. There is minister for men's behavior change in Australia. Now tell me, do you think that this indicates misogynistic, or misandric social norms? If an anthropologist in 100 yrs studied 2025 western culture, would he make the conclusion that this was an anti-woman culture, or an anti-man culture? The answer is obvious, and you're just dishonest. This is nazi-esque. Having a government for men's behavior change is effeminate pathetic and deeply immoral.

What I see with women is a lot of assumptions about social norms which they have no evidence for. You don't know if men will actually ostracize another man for liking something traditionally feminine. I know men who enjoy cooking, and noone cares. The truth is, you're just making it up because you've heard it from everyone around you.

The statistics indicate it's safer for a woman to walk alone at night than a man. Women are less likely to be physically assaulted, and sexual assault at night on the street by a random man is an incredibly rare occurrence. Sexual assault does not occur in those contexts typically. Women are just more neurotic and fearful, and that's why they are afraid to walk alone at night. There are mugging gangs that have codes of conduct were they straight up only mug men, not women and children.

The everyday life of women is entirely uneventful, and uninteresting, just like the everyday life of men. The truth is, it is men who are discriminated against en masse by our culture. I for one, am sick of the constant feminist gaslighting.

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"well documented". Where? Show me where. Because it sounds like you've gone down the tiktok rabbit hole with your research. Your sources need to be fact-based statistical peer-reviewed and published research, not podcasts or opinion based articles written by theorists with 0 university degrees.

"those same studies you point to" I did not point to any specific study. If you wish, I will. but you can find this out with one google search. There is no way to "prove" the exact reason behind someone's suicide attempt, even in cases of specific mental health disorders. the reasons given by suicide attempt survivors, both women and men, don't really differ that much. I would say (if i remember correctly) that most of the time they are depressed, in debt or substance abusers.

And let's say, hypothetically, that your claim is true. Don't you think it's a little bit insane that someone would attempt to die as a cry for help ? They would still need the medical attention. However as I said this is hypothetical and not the reality of things ^. just really confused by your immorality is why...

"classic gaslighting" oh boy... ima just sigh at this one and look away while you figure it out. if you can't, let me spell it out for you: I am not dismissing men's suicide rates. the men that have killed themselves are not here to argue for you. the men that remain alive (you for one), always use this argument at the expense of men who have actually died of suicide and are not here to tell you why. i was just stating the context and facts to avoid the spread of misleading information. bear in mind that these men are most often in some way marginalised and of weak socio-economic status, such as disabled, addicts, queer, poor or from abusive households. based on your ideology, i would assume that these men (who are still alive) are not in your best interest. are you actively checking on the marginalised men in your community? I highly doubt it.

Lastly my friend, it's not really women's issue if YOU FEAR your fellow MEN when walking outside. All of those crimes are committed against men by other men. has nothing to do with women. Men also do not typically harass, catcall or follow other men at night. so youre mostly safe if you avoid the known, violent areas. if you already live in one, good luck brother

At some point of your comment you just started yapping and lying so Im gonna ignore that to save you the future embarrassment. I don't know who taught you ts but snap out of it. It pains me to co-exist with people who possess your lack of intellect.

[–]Fit-Match4576 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, it's common "knowledge," as you said earlier about women and suicide. It's not my fault you're in a feminist echo chamber to be so ignorant.

You are also proving my point, victim blaming victims of violent crime that are men just because it's likely a man who committed the crime(even though women are used as bait very often). I'm sure you blame women who were abused or killed by there mother's as they abuse/kill kids at much higher rates. Just want to make sure ur consistent now. Men would probably be less violent if it wasn't a learned behavior....from their mother's.

But keep on being a professional victim, always easier to blame or point to others for ones failures in life. A life so sad that u need to troll to feel good about yourself. Now that I think of it, should I be concerned u might attempt for more attention if this doesn't give u enough?

[–]graveyardlamb1 point 1 year ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Uhmmm okay weirdo. not common knowledge outside this male on male fanfiction subreddit. first off, where are your statistics? The majority of violent crimes like homicide are committed by men, universally. There are mothers who are abusive and if the child dies it's most often due to neglect. Personally I don't think most people are fit to have children at all and I don't condone abusive behaviour from either parent. "im sure you blame women who" what?? are you hearing yourself brother...chill. And if you wanna go into social theory, men's abusive behaviour in the gender socialisation theory comes from the societal structure that separates girls and boys to be raised differently. But there are countless factors. Porn culture too. I promise you not a single man on this subreddit isn't an active/ex raging porn addict. It changes your brain structure. look it up. Dpmo. lemme know if you want statistics since you're having such difficulty finding a source. I have some media literacy to my name at least

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