Quitting Porn, would like some guidance...

Default8 · 2014-05-31T09:39:20+00:00

"betterment of my sexual strategy"??? WTF... Do it because watching too much porn is like eating too much cake, it fattens you up and when it's time to eat a real meal you aren't as hungry.

JustLikeJC · 2014-05-31T13:24:06+00:00

Jerk off to your gains.

I do.

121895 · 2014-05-31T13:20:47+00:00

The people on /r/nofap are atrociously blue pill. they pedestalize women more than any of the other non-default subs I know of.

that said i've been doing nofap and it's so much easier to approach women when you don't have jerking off as a crutch if you fail or get anxious.

nomadicwilk · 2014-05-31T09:23:33+00:00

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paradox_life · 2014-05-31T12:38:21+00:00

I don't care about the morals of porn.

Fuck the morals watching porn dude. Forget about the morals. If I could rank all the things that make you more beta, porn addiction would unarguably take #1 position with pride. It's the most destructive thing to your social skills, confidence, motivation and a host of other things you can read at /r/NoFap.

I just wanna know what I SHOULD masturbate to without using pornography, for the betterment of my sexual strategy.

Now that's a very intelligent and very tough question that I don't have a definitive answer to. I will give you my view on it since I'm quite "experienced" on the subject (yeah experience of not fapping WOOW! :) Anyway, I know the following is 100% true: masturbating to ANY external material(even fantasy porn) is BAD for you. In the book "No more mr. nice guy" you can read about the proper way to masturbate. It boils down to emotion, expression and basically feeling yourself. You should not do it compulsively and not with the goal to ejaculate. IME holding that sperm in your balls (called nofap streak) gives you insane amount of sexual energy that once it bursts out you'll be surprised of the things you're capable of. Holding it too long has its downsides too, like flatline(libido death) periods. You should ultimately experiment with yourself to find out how often you should masturbate, but seriously dude - porn destroys souls. No joke. Cut that shit.

MrMagwitch · 2014-05-31T13:31:41+00:00

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LibertarianLibertine · 2014-05-31T14:22:56+00:00

Trust me, out of experience I can tell you can fap to anything if your mind has forgotten the absurdity of porn lol

jumperjump · 2014-05-31T12:19:37+00:00

Links to negative psychological effects ? wouldnt mind having a read

2014-05-31T12:49:52+00:00

This seems like a weird question to me... can't you just use your imagination? Like, fantasize?

raceAround126 · 2014-05-31T15:22:26+00:00

OK, I'm probably not the answer you're looking for.

For me, porn and masturbation went hand-in-hand (no pun intended). The effects of porn and excessive masturbation are damaging and I plain don't do it anymore!

However, I've read enough evidence to decide that noFap is not a good idea in the long run. People way more qualified than me have linked NoFap to other sexual problems.

The biggest problem I had was Death Grip. I had no idea this was even a thing until I started reading around the subject. I was at the stage where it was difficult to feel even a solid smack on the dick!

You essentially need to quit both for a while. On the plus sides, sex with girls is way more fun. And it's even better when you can actually feel something too!

The first girl I was with after my LTR broke up (sexless, was fapping several times a week) gave me a blowjob. I was pretty disappointed and immediately put it down to her technique and "Aww, thanks for trying." I was even getting to the stage where I was struggling to keep hard watching porn and even just not bothering altogether.

After reading some of NoFap and more about Death Grip, I just straight up quit with the masturbation for a while. I kinda went cold turkey, deleted the porn folder, etc. Anytime I wanted to fap, I just did some crappy job I had been putting off, like put out my bin, restring some guitars, whatever.

It was about a month later and I was with that same girl again (we traveled for work, met up again). Well, I was wrong about her technique. She blew me again that evening and holy moly she was good! Very good in fact. I reciprocated in kind and eventually pounded her that night. It was surreal how much leaving my poor dick alone for that amount of time had improved its sensitivity. And she had an expert's tongue too!

Anyway, if you're struggling cold turkey is the way. If that's still too much and you do need to fap, keep it to once a week, purposely lighten your grip entirely and use a proper lube!

There is also a recovery method using a fleshlight. I've not done it myself so can't tell you how effective it is, but it kinda sounds like it would work. Just google for fleshlight death grip and you'll find it.

angel3110 · 2014-06-01T11:05:13+00:00

NoFap + Red Pill = Best Strategy ever!

Cryocasm · 2014-05-31T10:52:12+00:00

The way you describe your situation is almost asking for sex:

the best solution to your problem is to go spin plates and have a lot of casual sex.

BluepillProfessor · 2014-06-01T01:35:15+00:00

For something to jerk to instead of visual porn try chick novels- porn for women. Just flip through to the good parts.

I think limiting to gasms is more important than going cold turkey. You need to build up a reservoir of sexual energy. Read the Way of the Superior Male and the Way of the Superior Lover.

LibertarianLibertine · 2014-06-01T13:03:45+00:00

Imo its unscientific nonsense that doesnt motivate people to do anything

TNPgaylover · 2014-05-31T10:26:45+00:00

Not TRP but Nofap. Actually it's quite bluepill, because it's iniciative started by christian moralists. They combined bunch of surveys, missinterrepreted results, put lot of bull crap on it and call it science. Most of benefits of not fapping are fake, surge of testosterone in reality is only for one day (13th day of Nofap). There is text which disses their pseudo scientific "facts". I believe not fapping for few days is good to motivate you before some events or to ensure you will be able to fuck fatty. Long term benefits are zero.

RedBigMan · 2014-05-31T14:32:08+00:00

I commend you on your goal of quitting porn. It's not easy with how easy it is to get these days.

I just wanna know what I SHOULD masturbate to without using pornography, for the betterment of my sexual strategy.

I think the big thing to masturbating without porn is to use your imagination. Close your eyes and imagine stuff. I think a big amount of the damage done by porn is that your mind does not construct the fantasy itself. Having the pictures and sounds there in front of you makes it far too easy.

Also part of the problem with masturbation is frequency... Ideally you'd want to keep the frequency down to about once a week or less.

I think the big thing is when you combine the actions of looking at porn with the actions of masturbation. Both can become bad habits in and of themselves but when you put them both together they become self-reinforcing bad habits... You want to fap then you fire up the computer and look at porn... you look at porn and you get an urge to fap. It's like a feedback loop and it becomes hard to do one without the other.

RPSavant · 2014-05-31T11:48:04+00:00

Sounds like what you are describing is Sublimation

Sexual sublimation, also known as sexual transmutation, is the attempt, especially among some religious traditions, to transform sexual impulses or "sexual energy" into creative energy.

Dogamaran · 2014-05-31T13:17:56+00:00

Stop the porn for a week. Maybe two. By then your natural instinct will take over and suddenly the whole what should you snap one off to will be answered. Dont sweat it. You might even be surprised which chick pops in your head. Relax tiger. You got this.

circlhat · 2014-05-31T14:43:03+00:00

As someone who has tried to stop for religious reasons, I can tell you , you have to find a good reason to stop, and no one can give that to you.

There is no such thing as objectifying women, at least in the sense /r/nofap does it. The only reason I stop was so I could preform better sexually.

Masturbating didn't rewire my brain, it just these chicks like you to stay hard for a while and go multiple times.

The more you ejaculate, the harder it is to get hard, either though sex or masturbation.

For example If I was meeting 2 chicks that night, and If I came in the first one, I couldn't get hard for the second. So masturbating wasn't the problem, but it only added to it.

my solution is bang the first chick without cumming, than finish with the second chick.

In this example cumming in the first chick, had the same results as masturbation.

The reason I say this is because you need to manage your libido for your sexual stratgey, see it as a whole, see masturbation as a tool to keep you from doing something stupid.

SQQQ · 2014-05-31T15:12:06+00:00

get a girlfriend or pay a pro

dub121686 · 2014-05-31T20:42:07+00:00

Just don't for awhile.

realitycompl3x · 2014-05-31T22:21:56+00:00

I have 200 days of no PMO under my belt and now 30 days in hardmode. That being said you will still strike out and have dry spells but you honestly feel like a different person once you kick the porn addiction. Most of the people that support porn are speaking from their addiction. Not cumming for 30 days, I feel like I'm sitting on a fucking bowling ball but I want that 90 day reset. www.yourbrainonporn.com is a great resource

Johnny10toes · 2014-05-31T22:51:34+00:00

In nmmng he said to not think of any person or look at porn just concentrate on what feels good. Explore yourself. I did that a couple of times and it works just usually start watching porn though.

648262 · 2014-06-01T01:00:59+00:00

Switch to pictures. Then cut down on frequency.

rumbledust · 2014-05-31T13:58:57+00:00

I'm with you OP. Fuck NoFap and their bluepill ilk. So many of them are so blatantly and so obviously trying to impress women by quitting porn/masturbation, and are really just advancing the female imperative. 'Im going to cut myself off from artificial sexual pleasure so I can supplicate for it from a real woman', basically.

But I don't really get your question-it's not that hard to jack off without porn. Think about pretty girls and stroke your cock in whatever manner suits you. If you can't orgasm easily without visual stimulation...you have some issues.

I'd look into semen retention, though, after you've fapped pornless a couple times (it really helps to masturbate without porn a couple times to kill that hunger for sexual pleasure that you get after you masturbate to porn and reset your sexual desire). It's a really interesting concept with tangible benefits.

Mymobileacoconut · 2014-05-31T15:06:40+00:00

Dopamine makes a big difference. Porn, masterbation and video games are all easy ways to get a dopamine fix. Numbs your brain to making real life gains.

The absolute worst is those mmorpg games like world of Warcraft. They give you a fake sense of accomplishment with their easily recognizable gains and your getting a constant stream of dopamine. People can play these games for 8 hours in a day. And of course, the next day, when you wake up, your gonna feel like total shit. Unless of course, you start playing again.

The good thing about it is that you can use the aspects of those video games to game-ify your life. Know what your ideal self is and measure your progress towards it constantly.

eatgodseeacid · 2014-06-02T03:28:35+00:00

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Title	Quitting Porn, would like some guidance...
Author	SupaPineapple
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Date	May 31, 2014 9:02 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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