Rather Disappointed With What BOTH Janet Bloomfield And Diana Davison Had To Say. Feel This Split In Views Could Kill The MRM. Thoughts?

YetAnotherCommenter · 2014-10-19T13:22:45+00:00

I don't think this will split the MHRM, but I agree that we need to distance ourselves from traditionalism.

I've enjoyed JB's writing but I've disagreed with her at times. I am not a traditionalist. If JB wants to live a traditionalist lifestyle that's fine, I just don't support the idea that people should be socially expected to live such a lifestyle.

I will say that Diana's quotes are quite damning of Ms. Bloomfield.

therock6658 · 2014-10-19T06:35:13+00:00

To explain why I was rather upset with what both ladies had to say on this matter; Diana Davison is pretty much stating that women in general, even those in the MRM, have a selfish and hypergamous nature that makes it that they have to focus on themselves rather than believing that they are actually fighting for men's rights. I would agree that women in general do have a nature where they seek out people, opportunities and advantages in which they could further their own causes and beliefs, but not only do men have these same aspects, but there are differing degrees of gynocentricism that each individual woman has (this in a way turns the conversation to Diana's partner in COCK to John The Other, who disappointed me when he stated that women in the MRM are gynocentric, especially because one of those woman brought up her aunt's pap smear during a conversation about MGTOW). Also, Diana pretty much condemns Janet's traditional lifestyle and rejects her actions of trying to seduce her husband by proving to him that she can be a good little housewife; the kind of woman that a lot of men would love to have.

Janet Bloomfield on the other hand disappointed me when she stated on her blog that women should quit working in order to find a husband and live that fairytale 1950's life that sounds good on paper, but ultimately is a lifestyle of inequality. That men must be disposable for women and that women should not have to rely on themselves in order to get by in this society. She basically said that career women are usually unhappy with their lives and that women's basic duties are to stay home and be taken care for like a child by "Daddy" as he breaks his back everyday in the workforce and gives his check to his wife and kids while they relax off the labors of his work.

As I watched this video, I felt that both ladies were in the wrong here as they were both TELLING women what to do with their lives and that they are both condemning the opposite lifestyle. While I feel both lifestyles (traditionalism and equality) both have it's pros and cons for both men and women, it shouldn't be the MRM's business to dictate what people should do with their own personal life choices.

(I apologize if I sounded like a teenager while writing that but writing was never my strong suit. I apologize even more for sounding like a feminist as well, kind of sound like that while reading this back to myself)

TRPACC · 2014-10-19T14:27:38+00:00

A voice for men has a mistake fast tracking a new female mra up in the movement before.

Between the affirmative action, strawmanning and the bizarre focus on giving rape prevention advice ... idk.

A Voice For Men is great at somethings, terrible at others.

xNOM · 2014-10-19T12:53:13+00:00

Concern troll number.... 6432?

LAMFF · 2014-10-19T14:03:05+00:00

Why are men worried about the opinions of two women?

rbrockway · 2014-10-19T15:39:11+00:00

Nothing will kill the MRM at this point. We know what we want and we know where we are going. Our numbers are growing rapidly all around the world.

Insula92 · 2014-10-19T10:03:17+00:00

As long as you are not arguing that traditionalism should be institutionalised, I don't see why you cannot be a traditionalist and an MRA at the same time.

mean0dean0 · 2014-10-19T20:02:00+00:00

I agree with Diana, actually--traditionalism espouses an outdated view of a single-income family and binaristic gender roles that no longer make sense in today's market or social world. First and foremost, with wage stagnation and income inequality at an all-time high, it is simply irresponsible for one partner to willfully quit working for any long period of time. For all the women including JudgyBitch thinking that it's just up to choice, do you think your salary alone will support your entire family including your husband? How many more hours will you have to work--heck, how many more jobs will you have to take to make ends meet? Because that's all pressure that is exerted on only one partner.

In contrast, the stay-at-home partner is exempted from all but the most cursory of duties--there is no onerous household chore that can't be completed piecemeal by a working couple with a few minutes' work a day, and children have a massive network of caretaking services from toddlerhood on to keep them busy while the parents are making money. The average stay-at-home parent doesn't sew new clothes or darn old socks or make bread to sell at the local market, so the entire rest of the day is purely gratis, a vacation from those onerous responsibilities put on the working partner. That's not equality--that's privilege. That's barely more honorable than enslavement, because at least slaves were emancipated; working spouses will be tracked down and have their wages garnished if they flee the premises where they are being forced to work so the stay-at-home partner can sip mint juleps in the afternoon sun.

Notice how traditionalist wives often emphasize how "hard" they work; you know what that's called? Anticipating criticism, a sign that there might actually be a problem; thus the interlocutor will specially plead that his or her case doesn't fit the criticism already in mind. Let's just be frank--the average housewife doesn't do enough work to resemble the daily schedule of a kindergarten teacher. The average housewife doesn't even do the same amount of work as a janitor. The average housewife gets up later, spends more free time to herself, and is able to privilege her own spending and social habits precisely because she has a workhorse who will do the hard work for her.

No amount of "respect" or backrubs or special treatment can compare to working a full-time job, which is why traditionalist wives don't work full-time jobs in addition to being wives and mothers. They say it's too hard; well, it's apparently not too damn hard for men, because there they are, plowing away in your field hoping to do good work for you. JudgyBitch and other traditionalist wives are already caught in a logical trap that they don't want you to notice, so they say they do lots and lots of "work." Either all that "work" is the paltry amount that the weak housewife can bear to do while the husband ACTUALLY works and comes home and maintains something resembling a social life with his own family; or all that emphasis the traditionalists put on how hard they "work" is empty rhetoric hiding a gloating, glorious privilege behind it. Don't agree? GET BACK TO WORK THEN. See how your working husband lives, and if you don't like it, then imagine what your freeloading adds to his stress, you deadbeat.

aksuVOIMAMIES · 2014-10-19T21:48:17+00:00

This is a fine DOUBLE POINTED attack on feminism. Both views are needed.

TomwaIvory · 2014-10-19T07:26:39+00:00

Holy shit, I hate judgy bitch.

What an awful blog.

Title	Rather Disappointed With What BOTH Janet Bloomfield And Diana Davison Had To Say. Feel This Split In Views Could Kill The MRM. Thoughts?
Author	therock6658
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Date	October 19, 2014 5:59 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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