I've noticed that some RP'ers on here feel that we can't be friends with women. Some have said it's impossible to do without just being an orbiter and others have said its only possible if we don't want to sleep with them but we're lying to ourselves that we don't. I'd like to relay a story of mine to help illustrate that this isn't the case, which also happens to be how I came to understand that the Red Pill is truly the way. No apologies for the length, it takes time and effort to explain and understand a lot of what this sub is really about.

Let's start by laying out the details a little bit. We have Jack, Jill, and me. Jack is my best friend who I have known for 15 years. Jill is the girl I met at a party, just before I started getting into RP. You could say she was my transition project, the first person on whom I really attempted to use any of the advice we find here.

Now, I won't pretend when I first met Jill that I wasn't into her. Good looking lady, similar tastes in a lot of things, I was decently smitten. Somewhat excited, I introduced her to my friends which of course included Jack. Big mistake. I was acting like a BP loser and she was milking every bit of it, all while the naturally aloof Jack boned her. The night it happened, I figured out where things were headed and left. I was a bit mad at first but I figured out it was a product of my own BP actions. I was acting like a little bitch and she surely caught on. Good on Jack to take advantage, lord knows the guy is a bit of pussy most other times.

Jack fucked up though. He screwed her a couple times and then started to crash down around him. He can act alpha from time to time, if only by accident but he is definitely beta. At the time, I didn't know it but he knocked her up. The drunk idiot didn't wrap up his peter and it came back to bite him.

Using that, Jill constantly manipulated him. Before, when she had gotten out of line, I had used the situation to practice RP and put her in her place. Now, lovestruck Jack played the white knight, defending her and going after me when I didn't allow her bullshit to reign over us all. His blue pill tendencies became a serious detriment as Jill realized she could use them to her advantage. When she wanted to act out, she could use the now aborted baby to manipulate his emotions. She made up stories about feeling like the baby had wanted the name he liked and then pretended to have no idea why he was angry and sad. It was brutal but effective. I watched a lot of this and could help but feel a bit smug, they each had it coming. Eventually, Jack decided he didn't want to see Jill anymore and refused to be anywhere near her.

I told you all that to explain why I am still friends with Jill. That sounds pretty bad on my part but it actually works. Though all of this, I was working on developing my understanding of TRP and it made a difference. While Jack and Jill had their issues, I was picking up girls at bars and doing my best to learn how relationships truly work.

I'm not perfect but I would say I'm certainly more alpha than I was and Jill saw this. She noticed lovesick, white knight, beta bitch Jack hanging off of her while alpha-enough me picked up girls and learned to call out her shit. Jack got emotional and I got pragmatic. He would succumb to her will and I would set her in her place. Jack put her on a pedestal and I cut her down to size.

It all culminated one weekend when we all went to the bar. This was just before Jack and Jill had their complete falling out. A random girl, definite 9, actual beauty queen came up to me and practically begged to hang out. She was pretty fucking annoying but I wanted to sleep with her later she I told her to stand by the wall while I played pool for several hours. She stood there the entire time, eventually meeting Jill. New girl decided Jill was actually into me, which I figured anyways as the beta Jack was falling apart. So, in what I felt to be the RP way, I went home with the new girl just to show Jill what was what.

Since then, Jill has been an actual friend of mine and it works. She knows her place now. I've made it pretty clear I'm not going to sleep with her but she keeps coming back. She has had several guys try to make a move and they all turn into sorry saps of a man and Jill comes right back to me. Guys, lets be clear, RP works. This is the first girl I really tried to go full blown RP on and she can't get enough. I'm not abusive in any way but I sure as shit don't coddle her. When she says something dumb or starts to whine, I tell her what she did wrong and stop complaining to me about it. She does the typical "OMG you're such an asshole" then begs to dance at the bar. Jill wants many things from me, none of which she gets without something in return.

One time, I told her we were going to go out for the night. No questions asked, she shows up and brings her boyfriend. She also brings her longtime friend specifically for me. She made her boyfriend buy every drink that night and sent her friend home with me. This is what being friends with a girl can do. Its mutually beneficial: she gets the alpha in her life girls truly crave and I get whatever perks I desire as she does whats necessary to ensure I will be there to keep things running smoothly.

To me, one of the most important things about TRP is that, with girls, nothing is one-way. It must always be a transaction. Jill knows that if she wants to hear a compliment, she must actually look good, better than usual. Or she must do something right and do it at a level above normal. Things like that are okay because she knows its not coming from the beta trying to make her feel good to get into her pants. Jill told me she knows she did well when I say something because I only give credit where credit is due. She told me it makes her want to please me and actually work hard because I only acknowledge true effort.

I personally feel this is how RP interactions with women ought to go. You can make friends with women but they need to be like your male friends: you call them out, you don't orbit them, you partake in a transactional relationship. RP men can be friends with women in this same way. You can enjoy their company as long as you set the frame and you keep them in their place. Jill comes to me for validation because she knows there won't be layers of bullshit to dig through. Isn't that how men act with eachother? We lay out the truth, as ugly as it can be.

Red Pill doesn't just pertain to romantic relationships. No, it guides your interactions with everyone, from professional to friends. To me, if you can't be friends with women, you're not practicing RP well enough because it works and can be just as beneficial as friendships with men.