Alpha Game: Nihilists vs Civilizationists

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Title Alpha Game: Nihilists vs Civilizationists
Author redpillschool
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Date 28 May 2013 03:27 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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[–]TehGinjaNinja 5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy

Both nihilists and civilizationists are necessary to the process of first destroying, and then replacing, FI society.

This is grandiose and self-deceptive rhetoric. The reality is that our society is on a trajectory which neither MGTOWs nor traditionalists can affect.

In a couple of other threads I've made the point that the modern sexual market place is a product of technology. I keep making that point because it is technologies which will also determine the future shape of our society.

First wave feminism (which was about equality for women, e.g. the suffragettes) was only possible because the industrial revolution replaced muscle power with mechanical power as the primary economic force in society. Individual men became less valuable to society, making female claims to equality more credible.

Second wave feminism (which was about the 'liberation' of women) was only possible because birth control freed women from the threat of pregnancy and their dependence on men as childrearing partners. Prior to birth control women could not deny their primary function was motherhood, and that they needed men to support them in that endeavour.

Third wave feminism (which is about the superiority of women) came about in concert with the shift to a knowledge based economy. With employment less focused on physical work and more on mental work (and office politics) women were able to convince themselves that they were more valuable to society than men.

The next ten years will bring increased automation and accelerating technological change. We can expect persistently high levels of unemployment, and significant soci-economic upheavals as a result. It's hard to say what impact that will have on the balance of power between men and women, but it is asinine to make predictions about the future without including a technological component.

MGTOWs cannot bring society down by "withdrawing their services, their seed, their paternal support, and their economic surplus" because they can and will be replaced by technological alternatives.

Traditionalists cannot save society by "stubbornly working, marrying, and having children" because their jobs are going away, their marriages are failing and their kids don't listen to them. The social structures traditionalist defend and want to enforce are collapsing already because of technological change. The coming technological changes will not bring the old social order back, they will make it even less tenable.

TL:DR it's impossible to say precisely what shape the future will take, but if history is any guide neither MGTOWs nor Traditionalists will have much influence over what our society becomes.

[–]TRP VanguardWhisper 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy

MGTOWs cannot bring society down by "withdrawing their services, their seed, their paternal support, and their economic surplus" because they can and will be replaced by technological alternatives.

Who is going to design, build, program, maintain, and repair these technological alternatives?

You are eerily echoing lesbian separatist fedfem platforms, here (except they are saying "should" where you say "will"). Every fadfem agenda or explicit platform I read seems to contain these two sneaky little words:

Total automation.

What does that mean? It means "build your robot replacements, men, then quietly become extinct". It is a tacit admission that women cannot, will not, fend for themselves, ever. Quite an eye-opening thing for a radfem to admit.

But this future the radfems desire and you loathe, but fear as well, cannot come to pass. Because only non-engineers could ever conceive of it.

People who design, build, and maintain technology know that automation is a tool, not a worker. As society becomes more and more automated, male physical labour becomes less necessary, but male work becomes more necessary, because women are even worse at programming than they are at heavy lifting. They can become "Rosie the Riveter" at need, but they won't become "Rosie the Electrical Engineer".

[–]TehGinjaNinja 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy

Don't get me wrong, I don't loath our fully automated future. I gleefully anticipate a future in which we are all freed from needless toil and can devote our energies to our own pursuits. I just know that getting there will entail a significant amount of pain and suffering as society struggles to adapt to a world without work.

Total automation (or near enough) will happen because individual economic actors will have incentives to implement it. I'm a software engineer and a big part of my job is identifying the things I do on a regular basis which I could just write a script for (i.e. automate). This makes my job easier, and provides me with job security, since I'm the one who knows how the systems I maintain work.

Total automation will not happen in the ten year time horizon I stipulated, but it is inevitable over the next 20 - 30 years as artificial intelligence systems become more sophisticated and powerful. Self-programming and self-optimizing systems already work on a small scale. With more processing power, and a little tweaking, we should expect to see them applied widely to solve problems across society.

Don't kid yourself, human obsolescence is just a few decades away.

[–]1Ill_mumble_that 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy

I look forward to the day that the only jobs left are intellectual with nearly all fields based on logic. You see women in general are unable to fully understand logic. Once we perfect the artificial womb and artificial vagina we will no longer need women, but women will still seek the validation of men.

Why do you think feminists want to become men? They know we do not need them.

[–]TehGinjaNinja 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy

o.0 yeah... I'll be sticking with free-range, all-natural, organic vag myself.

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

The paleo pussy diet.

[–]1Ill_mumble_that 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Oh most definitely. But once it becomes technologically possible for us to no longer need them their only purpose left will be to please us.

This scares the shit out of feminists everywhere. Why do you think they want to destroy porn and make it illegal to be a man?

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

artificial vagina


[–]Senior ContributorDemonspawn 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Meh, I'm both.

I understand what makes for a strong civilization. I would prefer it.

The problem is that there is no way back from where we are to it. As long as women maintain majority control of government via being 55% of the voting population, there is no way to get government to listen to what works (male imperative) instead of doing what needs to be done to get reelected (pander to female imperative).

Revolt, Expat, or Turtle. Those are your choices.

[–]delta_hedge 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

i am both too. sticking by the rules, but limit my assistance to the men-hating system to the least possible. examples:

  • get a girlfriend if you desire, but do not get married
  • work for a company that has feminized policy, but quit if you get a feminist superior

if shit hits the fan, there is always the possibility to leave the country. they need you more than you need them.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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