Disrupting Class (OCONUS Pondering Part 3)

jacktenofhearts · 2016-03-26T11:09:55+00:00

QUESTION: Do you know what feminazis and white knights really, really fucking hate? ANSWER: When their position is questioned.

So you're gonna totally game for a good-faith debate when I question your position, as I'm about to do here, right? Heh.

Also, do so in a masculine manner, ask the question with overt communication – straight forward, confident, maintaining eye contact, and with a posture that says – Answer Me.

I don't know what you're trying to achieve from suggesting this Red Knighting, but it's probably not going to work as you described. I assume you're envisioning some unapologetically masculine utopia where "men can be men," but the easiest way to cultivate that reality for yourself is to just join the ranks of the Rich and Powerful, or barring that, the ranks of their Advisors and Counsel. I hate to break it to you, but these efforts with TFA, you're probably envisioning some virtuous cycle where your efforts helping others, pay dividends by making the world a better place for you and your family, but that's probably not going to be the outcome. In all likelihood you'll probably just waste a bunch of time you could've spent helping you and your family directly.

If there is any sort of societal change that you seek, it will almost definitely happen from top-down in our society, not bottom-up. It will happen when you become CEO or Congressman and, essentially, impose this unapologetically male set of norms on your sphere of influence, which will be readily accepted because, well, you're CEO or Congressman, right? Or you could try and pick off White Knights by calling them out in public at your daughter's soccer team's pizza party. That could work too, maybe.

Yeah, why the fuck is it called a ‘DadBod’

I'd note that your example of the Socratic Method at work involved the only Socratic Method question you asked. Play-acting naive and asking "why is it called a DadBod" may trigger that self-reflection in other person, but none of your other questions will get you anything but a hostile and defensive response. The White Knights already have their prepared talking points to literally every other question, usually involving some variant of, would you want your wife/daughter/sister...? Or just outright denial of the issue. They're entirely disingenuous arguments, but they provide more than effective mental dissonance to defend against the question you raise.

For fuck's sake, we have countless people in our society that question pretty much introconvertible facts like the effectiveness of vaccines, or humans impacting climate change. You really think you or anyone else is going to get the good-faith, intellectually honest, sociological debate with anyone, if you ask these example questions verbatim?

Here, you want that debate? Try this:

Why do men get the raw end of the deal in divorce?

Why does divorce always screw over the breadwinner? Doesn't this financially punitive structure just encourage less marriage and stable families?

Why do we teach boys and girls in the same manner?

Is there a difference between "men and women are equal" versus "men and women are identical"?

Why are boys told that their natural tendency of being sexually charged, competitive, and aggressive are bad things that should be repressed?

Why are the discipline standards in our educational system so rigid? Is this an overreaction?

Why are men painted as rapists/oppressors/abusers when they say they enjoy sex/fighting/competing?

Why does our sex-negative society continue to shame men and women and sexual desire, seemingly based on outdated puritanical ideals?

Why are there no spaces that are ‘men only’?

Are we better off when we have some interactions exclusively with our gender? Is it a mistake to make every single group mixed-gender? Shouldn't we try and maintain some version of these spaces?

You get the idea. The most effective way to get the self-reflection you're seeking, is to translate these Red questions into a Blue dialect. You can still be direct and serious, but it's like when a comedian uses profanity. Doesn't matter how funny it is, there's a certain audience that will reject it outright. Why penalize yourself with a vocabulary that, at least IMO, is mostly unnecessary for the point you're trying to make?

Instead of standing by and allowing this bullshit to continue unchallenged, take a stand in a tactful manner. Don’t get up and throat punch the ‘teacher’(society), just disrupt the class (fellow citizens) by asking the question Why?

Look, here's the thing. I'm not really arguing against what you're suggesting. But to extend this analogy, you're like the kid who stands up and says, Stop doing your schoolwork like a docile NERD, White Knight! Let's rage against the machine and REVOLT!

So, no wonder that most responses you'll get are Dude, shut the fuck up. I'm trying to get into a good college. And you can argue college is just going to extend their societal brainwashing, and blahblahblah, but it doesn't matter.

I'd argue what you want, is to be the kid being disruptive because it looks like he's slacking off in the back. And the teacher says, "TFA, why aren't you paying attention to your schoolwork!?" And you said, you wrote this computer program to do it all, so you're good. And the teacher says, "No, that's not allowed. You have to do it by hand. It doesn't matter that your way is better and more accurate and required more thinking and intelligence and work. You still get an F."

You should still ask, out loud for all to hear, "Why is your way better?" But that's all. The question needs to be framed with the same faux-naiveness as your Dadbod question. Because the question doesn't matter, but the students need to hear the teacher's bullshit answer.

That's what causes the faint stirrings in a man's mind, that there may be this entirely different world out there that he can't even comprehend, yet also can't entirely deny it exists either.

And that's what gets the White Knight to whisper to you, Hey man, that computer program? Can you teach me how you learned to do that?

This bottom-up approach is a much slower process, and will only work for a small percentage of the population even if flawlessly executed. But if you want to just help some guys out, and maybe get paid for your books and seminars by a handful of them down the line -- as I suspect is your endgame with TFA -- then this is a good approach.

I suppose I'm just making the point that if you want widespread societal change, as you also seem to indicate a desire for at times, this is all pointless. The reason why the the selective service will always be limited to men is not because feminazis don't actually care about equality, or because White Knights enable them. Both of these things are true, but the selective service won't change because it's The Rich and Powerful Men who never have to worry about their sons ever being drafted for a war anyway, so why the fuck should they give a shit about that? The "feminization of society" isn't impacting them anyway.

You can rage against the machine, but if you're able to insulate you and your family from that machine as countless powerful men do, by becoming one of those powerful men, why not focus your efforts there?

MRPguy · 2016-03-26T15:58:46+00:00

You are right. More than a few guys, especially angry ones, blame our predicament on third-wave feminism. It is half of the problem, it is the seed that was planted, but it is the white-knight beta schlubs that have given the seed water and fertile soil, tended to it and demanded that it grow.

Title	Disrupting Class (OCONUS Pondering Part 3)
Author	TheFamilyAlpha
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Date	March 25, 2016 10:43 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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