Realization: APALT

cegh · 2015-03-18T13:29:25+00:00

I agree that APALT. I think the term of AWALT stemmed from former bluepill/white knights who thought there was a princess or unicorn and that woman wouldn't do X, Y or Z.

In order to help the blue pill swallow the red pill, the term AWALT came about. It's a term to help men understand that women are JUST like men. They aren't special just like a man. A man may cheat with someone hotter or go for a younger model, BUT a woman can too.

strategos_autokrator · 2015-03-18T13:13:30+00:00

A lot of covert contracts of men might come of as shit tests. I think many shit tests are a natural instinctual way to "check" the social hierarchy, so if the man thinks his woman runs the show, he will shit test. However, there are gender differences. As a beta, when I had covert contracts that were like shit testing my wife, I never got aroused when she was unmoved by the shit test, in fact, i got resentful and felt less manly because it was such a wrong dynamic. However, when I pass a shit test from my wife, I feel more manly, and she acts more feminine, and this often leads to better sex, less fights, and more happiness. To me this suggests that this dynamic where the woman shit tests and the man passes the tests is happier, healthier, and more sustainable than the other way around, or one where both parties are constantly shit testing each other.

Everyone hamsters, it is just a matter of degree. I do think woman have a superpower that they can do the most illogical inconsistent hamstering in a way that if a man tries to understand logically, it short circuits the brain of the man. Men hamster too, but they are more open to being challenged by logic, and less driven by emotions. I've seen women blabber for hours to each other essentially about Alpha Fucks/Beta Fucks, where they never can admit that it is just a dual mating strategy they have, and they just hamster about it as if it was something magical about a particular guy, or something wrong with the nice guy beta, and they can't quite say what is is. It is simply a dual mating strategy, but they can't accept it.

Everyone can be prone to solipsism. However, I think TRP challenges men to just accept that women do think differently, and focus on communicating with actions. It forces us to stop projecting our thoughts to women and understand them for who they really are. So, TRP is a way for men to challenge their own solipsism, and by doing that, men can rise above the woman and be happier. It would be MUCH easier for a man if instead he doing the hard work to challenge his solipsistic ideas and accept that women think differently, the woman was the one that stopped her solipsism. Sure. But we can't change others, only ourselves, and we accept that.

The idea of gender equality and no power gap in Marriage 2.0 implicitly assumes that only if men and women both stopped the shit tests, the hamster and the solipsism, then both would be happier. It sounds good, right? The problem is that a lot of problems come from neither one changing, and both blaming the other for not changing. TRP just says that we should accept that totally stopping shit tests, hamster and solipsism as a prereq for a good relationship is unrealistic. However, if the man focuses on changing just himself and working on his frame, he can tap to very instinctual power dynamics that lead to a good relationship. That instead of the man focusing on changing his wife, he can just accept those behaviors in her, and change himself, and the instinctual power dynamics that come from it can trigger instincts in his wife that also change her to submit. It doesn't mean the shit tests stopping is a requirement for relationships anymore, so it is more likely to lead to happy relationships.

A lot of these things have to do with power dynamics, but also, that TRP just says that if we tap into a natural gender power dynamic were both men and women can be happier. If that is backwards or inconsistent, both men and women become unhappy with each other.

Finally, something where not all people are like that is the basics of sexual strategy. Men and woman ARE very different in terms of their biological agenda. Understanding and accepting this is a good way for men to use logic to stop their solipsism, then to kill their hamster, and use this to rise above so the stop shit testing. I'm not sure woman can do that logical step, to be honest, but it sure seems like it is much much harder for them, although I can't prove it. I remember months ago a woman came posting here looking for help on how to change her man so he would alpha up. She came saying how she read about gender differences in sexual strategy and all that, so she started deliberately shit testing him more to see if she could improve her marriage that way. She was then hamstering how he couldn't see that and wasn't passing her shit tests as she wanted in her mind (solipsism). This woman read the same stuff about the different biological agendas, and instead of concluding to hamster less, be more honest instead of shit testing, and try to understand her man's needs, she concluded from her emotions that she had to do all that even more, and as she ramped it all up, the man would then would ramp his stuff down. I was baffled about how this woman reached that conclusion, as it was completely backwards. This is why I think that instead of expecting woman to change, we should just accept them, and we change.

Sepean · 2015-03-18T13:14:54+00:00

People in general can be greedy, yes, but they are also altruistic and the general picture is that humans will help others at their own expense. That's been confirmed in many experiments. We're a social species that to a large part built our success on cooperation and social cohesion. It's deep in our wiring.

AWALT is a sexual strategy that is pervasive, more devious and much less nice than how people in general act. AWALT is a default setting to actively and consistently try to screw people over, while human greed tend to only overpower altruism if the upside is massive.

BluepillProfessor · 2015-03-19T01:39:20+00:00

I don't disagree but your argument is basically nature vs. nurture. It could be the only reason women behave like AWALT is because they have a pussy that men need. Well I have news for you. They DO have the pussy and men DO need it. Your argument helps explain female behavior but it doesn't change anything. Women are Solopsistic, they often behave with extraordinary viciousness to the Beta who loves them, they Shit Test, and their hamster has the ability to justify anything.

Yes, women are human and if you are of any flavor Abrahamic religion then you already know that women are, like men, fallen and sinful creatures. That is why Red Pill techniques like leading, being Alpha, etc work with both men and women.

However, ignoring the differences or neutering the TRP term AWALT into APALT does a disservice to reality.

There are REAL differences between men and women. Yes men have a hamster but they are different- much stronger and harder to get off the wheel but also much harder to get on the wheel in the first place. Men Shit Test but they don't do it over and over as an unending campaign rolling through every waking moment of your life like the ocean.

For some reason, your post reminded my of one of my posts on TRP:

A Dystopian Tale of Love and Desire

TimeHo · 2015-03-19T12:26:36+00:00

AWALT doesnt exist in a vaccuum. Sure all people rationalize dumb shit but as far as mating strategies goes thats where the fork in the road is. Hence AWALT.

JackGoldsteinWrites · 2015-03-20T17:17:56+00:00

ITT: OP discovers men have hamsters too

phoenix_md · 2015-03-21T03:17:35+00:00

I think you're right. Much RP theory is explained with evolution but I think it's just natural social dynamics that have nothing to do with evolution.

Take hypergamy for instance. Anyone with a lower social or economic status will demonstrate the propensity to betray others of lower status for the opportunity to move up to a higher level. It's simply a risk/benefits decision.

Same is true of man's desire for polygamy. If you can be successful with one thing, then the natural next step is to want to possess more of those desirable things.

Men and women are biologically designed for men to be dominate over women. Therefore women will be hypergamous and men polygamous.

Title	Realization: APALT
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Date	March 18, 2015 12:48 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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