Recently introduced to research where <30% of marriages succeed where female has 20+ premarital sex partners

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February 18, 2017

Greetings - Have read Rollo's and Greene's work and enjoyed a better beta to alpha story in my mid 20s-early 30s. Spun several plates on multiple occasions as a night-club DJ along with being a young urban professional by day. While spinning plates and records, met a woman who would later become my wife. While I never had her as my one until we were engaged (plated for a year plus, dated exclusively for 2+) I felt that I had vetted her well, despite knowing she was a previous carousel rider until she met me (she claims) I maintained my suspicions but, had no reason to not believe her.

I have recently come across research making its way around suggesting that marriages fail based upon the number of premarital sexual partners the female has had. I would like to hear the group's thoughts on this. If her N is accurate as she claims, even with multipliers, I am comfortable in my SMV and N count.

Would it make sense to bring this research up and discuss it with her as a hat-tip to dread? Or that I would have considerable concerns over the research, etc.

We have no children and are set to have our two year wedding anniversary this spring. I am curious to hear the groups thoughts as I am a new poster here.

Thank You

Edit: As far as current satisfaction in the marriage, the sex is fine and plentiful. I have had better and I have had worse. I would say that my needs are being met or exceeded and have denied her a few times every other week or so to get it that much better the next time.

Edit II: When we were dating exclusively she had decided to go through a digital camera I had not used in long time to discover some photos of me in compromising situations from the past. She threw a shit fit over it, but, there wasn't much she could do when the photos were taken as she was not exclusive. Honestly had forgotten they were there. Regardless, wanted to frame out the relationship a bit more.

Edit III:

The link to the research is below, though I may initially have been misinformed as 20 for the n-count. I believe it cited 10+

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Title Recently introduced to research where <30% of marriages succeed where female has 20+ premarital sex partners
Author Mjrill
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Date 18 February 2017 08:32 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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[–]lukeyj_gtfc3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy

You need to privide the research. If 30 is the failure rate but 33% us the average, it's hardly significant. If however 50% is success then that's massive.

This is also very simplistic. Women with less women partners will stick in poorer relationships. If for example girl did no sex before marriage due to strong cultural background, but got beaten up every day but stuck around, that's not a positive story.

If you assume staying in a crappy relationship is a positive, that's not much in line with red pill.

Provide more information and discuss the nuances. Correlation does not mean cause.

[–]Mjrill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Here is the link to the study. I have not vetted it thoroughly but seems legitimate.

Numbers in question are a few paragraphs down

[–]Mjrill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Here is the link. Provided it to an additional comment as well - wanted you to see it

[–]SteelToeShitKickerRed Beret4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Would it make sense to bring this research up and discuss it with her as a hat-tip to dread? Or that I would have considerable concerns over the research, etc.

There is absolutely no advantage to tipping your hand in a game of poker.

Further, it would only be fuel for her hamster... Well, we only have a 30% chance of surviving, why not fall on Chad's cock?


[–]Mjrill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

This makes sense - love your handle.

[–]screechhaterRed Beret4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

Keep your mouth shut. Develop IDGAF

Your success is about how you handle you. My marriage has outlasted all my brothers and parents. 22 years.

My wife was acting weird around a basketball coach of my son's a few years back. Turned out she used to fuck him in college, I just laughed when I found out. Few years later, I overheard her having a conversation with a long time friends wife and she was telling my wife I used to fuck her and all her buddies before I dumped her and her friends and left town for a while. "Your husband has gotten around." Again, I laughed

Just FYI, the less you spill your shit and DEER it, the less you get into that 30% stat

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy

Even if you were single, good luck finding a woman who hasn't had 30 different dicks inside her. I encourage men to wife a ho.

[–]Mjrill0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

It seems the longer men hold off on marriage, the likely hood of this scenario only increases unless knowingly seeking out partners with lower n count or virgins

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

It's difficult to reconcile i.e. the madonna whore issue. I say if you follow the guidelines laid out on the side bar, you will no longer have issue with wife-ing a ho. And you may choose to take an alternative path to happiness.

[–]Mjrill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks for the input

It is what it is & can only move forward

[–]All_Ads_Deceive4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy

Don't bring up the research to her, it will make you seem insecure and she'll take it personally. You're accusing her of not being wifey material because she's an ex slut. Women are conditioned to believe they can fuck 100 guys then have the perfect Disney marriage

You can either overreact to this research and nuke the marriage. Then find a virgin. Or you can proceed with a red pill marriage. She's probably less wife material because of N-count but virgins will still cheat and divorce rape betas

[–]Mjrill-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy

Thanks - was leaning in that direction. Appreciate the perspective.

[–]Aaren_Augustine2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Interesting edits.

I am comfortable in my SMV and N count.

You may not in time. It's often hard to see the forest from the trees. We like to balance harsh realities with ego, but they often hamstring us rather than protect. That's why I find Rollo's works important to not just know, but know critically.

Statistical data will not highlight a chance encounter on a month long business trip, or a serious illness or one spouses willingness to forgive or even be aware of a certain marriage breaking indiscretion.

[–]weakandsensitive2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy

When you marry a damaged hoe, why are you surprised when she acts like a damage hoe?

[–]Mjrill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I am well aware of my choice(s) and such. There has been no damaged hoeing around so to speak. I was merely looking for insight on the statistical data about carousel riders turned wives.

I've never been surprised by her or any other women's actions.

[–]BluepillProfessorMod / Red Beret0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Would it make sense to bring this research up and discuss it with her as a hat-tip to dread?

No it would make no sense at all. The N count is what it is and its not going away.

Also, how dare you be a shitlord and factor in the fact that a woman's n count is negatively correlated with marriage success.

That can't be right! I thought the more cock a girl inhaled the more she "got it out of her system" and was able to "find herself" before she "settled down" (with a man she previously would not give the time of day).

This is so not yougogirl. Bad! Bad Man! You might make a princess/slut feel bad with this post.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy

Would it make sense to bring this research up and discuss it with her as a hat-tip to dread?

Thats not how dread works.

Also, I call bullshit on you being comfortable with her N count.

[–]Mjrill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

I may have misspoke. But I am comfortable (which could be part of the problem). Comfort.

I am not sure I follow how the research does or does not qualify this.

As for dread - where I sought clarification was that if she was confronted with such research and a reaction to it. If she settled (for me) in her mind, what would be the point of attempting to do so when her SMV is on the decline post wall, etc.

Thanks for the input

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Women operate on feelz. Not on research

[–]nonnimooseWoman, something something dark side0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Can you provide any links to studies that suggest this? Someone in RPW alluded to a CDC report along these lines but when I asked him for a link he deleted his comment. I searched but haven't been able to find anything definitive. I did find an article that cited a study that said women with 0 or 1 prior partner were least likely to divorce but then women with 2 prior partners were more likely than those with 3 - 9.

[–]Mjrill-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I believe it was similar. I will find the link that was posted from a trp twitter post

[–]WhiteTrashKillerRed Beret0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy

Assume them all to be CC riders(or have the ability to be) and put other mechanisms in place to limit your physical, emotional and financial losses in your marriage.

  1. Have your own thing. Be Scarce! It gives you time away to devlop or reinvent you.

  2. Make sure she earns a living, one where if you are gone she can support herself. This also linits what you would have to pay during a divorce.

  3. Maintain a high SMV, to maximize your pussy pulling potential in the event the marriage falls on Chads dick.....

Everything else falls within those points. Lifting, OYS, Etc. Her N count doesn't matter, you won't know the real number anyway. Shitty people are everywhere, regardless of their Number

[–]Mjrill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I believe this is what it boils down to.

Own what can be owned and continue to improve as much as possible.

Shits gonna happen either way

[–]LymanRP-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy

I wouldn't worry too much. You said yourself that you chose to LTR and marry her despite the high n-count. At this point all you can do is be the best man you can be for yourself.

A high n-count doesn't guarantee she'll cheat, it's just an indicator that makes it more likely. Just make sure you're not slipping into Beta behavior, and keep channeling TRP to self improve. It's the only thing you can do. If she cheats, she cheats and you move on.

You probably have less margin for error with a high n-count than you would marrying a virgin, but a low n-count is no protection against hypergamy/branch swinging either.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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