Feminists: why even bother debating them?

A while back, I made a submission titled: Avoiding the "feminism has such wonderful goals, why would you oppose it?" strawman. I described how I responded in a debate with a feminist.

There were many replies along the lines of:

• You lose by engaging.
• just dont discuss anything with feminists. they are just as lunatic in their beliefs as marxists and creationists.
• Stahp! You've already lost.
• Arguing with a feminist is like arguing with a troll
• The only way to win the game is not to play.
• Don't reason with people who are unreasonable.
• Why are you even arguing with women about feminism? I can't imagine a more pointless venture.
• WHY THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING TO FEMINISTS AT ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

These are all good responses, to be honest. If you're in a one-on-one debate with a feminist, there is only a minuscule chance that you'll change her views - more likely she'll start calling you a misogynist and tell you to check your privilege. If you start bringing up facts and logic, she'll shut down and say things like, "Wow, just wow, you're so far gone that it's not even worth talking to you, I don't even know where to start." I've seen exceptions but the majority of my interactions with feminists have been along these lines.

TRP is also more about how to adapt yourself to the changing world around you rather than trying to change the world, which is more the philosophy of the MRAs. Trying to convince others of the truth is definitely not in the realm of TRP.

However, if you do care at all about the disproportionate influence that feminism seems to have, it might be worth your time debating feminists as long as others are watching. The reason is that feminists generally do very poorly in debates because their ideology doesn't seem to value truth and logic, and instead resorts to shaming and emotion. Their worldview is a house of cards and is very easy to knock down. In such debates, you won't change the feminist's mind, but you might change the minds of 10 others who are watching/reading.

The truth is that feminists are slowly losing the public debate.

Could you have imagined a day where TIME Magazine, the most mainstream of the MSM, has the following headlines?

• It’s Time to End ‘Rape Culture’ Hysteria
• Stop Fem-Splaining: What ‘Women Against Feminism’ Gets Right
• 5 Feminist Myths That Will Not Die

People are seeing the awful side of feminism such as:

• The University of Toronto protest of Warren Farrell
• Big Red singing "crying a river" when confronted with male suicide
• Sharon Osbourne laughing at a man getting his penis chopped off and placed in the garbage disposal
• Adria Richards and Donglegate
• Gamergate
• Rebecca Watson and Elevatorgate
• Hillary Clinton saying that "Women have always been the primary victims of war. Women lose their husbands, their fathers, their sons in combat."
• The National Organization of Women opposes father's rights proposals such as the presumption of shared parenting by family court
• ...and the list goes on

They're seeing the same debunked lies and myths told over and over again:

• Women make 77 cents for every dollar a man makes
• One in four women is the victim of rape or attempted rape
• Only 3% of rapists are punished

The icing on the cake is seeing how infrequently women are held accountable for bad behavior:

• A woman can falsely accuse a man of rape, ruin his life, and suffer no consequences (see Crystal Gail Magnum and the Duke Lacrosse case and this video How to Ruin a Mans Life over $13)
• A woman can sexually assault a man, tearing his shirt off, putting her fingers in his mouth, and feeling his nipples, and be sentenced to mere probation without being registered as a sex offender.
• Women receive lighter sentences than men for the same crimes.
• Due to VAWA, a man can be convicted solely on a woman's testimony without need for corroborating evidence

When feminists actually do get into debates, which is rare, they lose spectacularly:

• Marc Rudov delivers the killer blow at the end
• Cathy Lette vs Alex Deane on Twitter trolling / censorship
• Debate between Esther Vilar and German feminst Alice Schwarzer with English subtitles

I'd like to believe that the majority of people value things like truth and logic, and feminists have shown that they are willing to twist the truth and defy logic to advance their agenda, playing to victimhood and shaming language instead. When presented with facts and evidence, this is typical of how they respond:

https://i.imgur.com/qcokrfI.jpg

“If someone doesn't value evidence, what evidence are you going to provide to prove that they should value it? If someone doesn’t value logic, what logical argument could you provide to show the importance of logic?” ― Sam Harris

"I don't give a shit lol" -- Feminist

TL;DR: keep debating the feminists online - you won't change their minds, but others who are on the fence are watching.