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a woman can now end an NFL player's career by alleging domestic violence even if no criminal charges are filed.

Try_2

August 28, 2014
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Title a woman can now end an NFL player's career by alleging domestic violence even if no criminal charges are filed.
Author

Try_2

Upvotes 125
Comments 50
Date August 28, 2014 10:41 PM UTC
(11 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/TheRedPill
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2ev6yv/a_woman_can_now_end_an_nfl_players_career_by/
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Comments

[–]1cover20 31 points32 points33 points 11 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

The obviously orchestrated "outraged" response to Rice's 2 game suspension was disgusting. Someone decided that this was unacceptably lax, that it gave women too little benefit of the doubt.

Reminds me of the other recent case of Donald Sterling, who get stripped of his NBA franchise for telling his girlfriend privately (but secretly being recorded) that he didn't want her bring certain guests (black people) to his team's home games.

Sports journalism is extremely "progressive" and blue-pill about relations of the sexes. This doesn't happen by accident, since I doubt most sports fans, without being told what to think, would hold such views.

[–]2alisonstone 29 points30 points31 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I am pretty sure that the NFL initially leaned towards no suspension for Rice because the police dropped all charges. His wife wanted to reconcile and decided not to pursue charges. Typically, sports leagues defer to the criminal justice system for matters like this, because the sports league is not equipped to gather and interpret evidence. So if there is no charge, then there is no suspension. In Rice's case, the video evidence was very damning to the image, so the NFL decided to compromise and issue a 2 game suspension instead of 0, which is usually the case if the criminal justice system finds him innocent. Suspensions for marijuana violations are long because they are explicitly written down and because the NFL is equipped to perform drug tests.

If fans are pissed that Ray Rice is getting away free on domestic abuse, they should be angry at why the wife did not press charges, not at the league. It is horrifying that people feel that employers should have the right to be judge and jury in criminal justice matters. Everybody knows such polices will always unfairly discriminate against minorities, ugly people, and men. That is pretty much the history every time and in every place. Decades ago, people fought really hard to have rights, to take away such powers from employers, corporations, or other private groups and put it in the hands of the criminal justice system or other bodies that is better suited to gather and evaluate evidence, and have mechanisms to reduce bias and discrimination.

[–]Rogerdodger1985 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Shit...you should run for class president.

[–]Rogerdodger1985 3 points4 points5 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

...dude the guy cold cocked his wife. He was dragging her unconscious body by her hair.

I'm as red pill as the next guy but two games wasn't jack shit.

I mean Christ that shit was pretty disturbing, especially considering if he would have been busted with pot he would have gotten a much stiffer fine/suspension but I digress.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

His wife admitted to hitting him first. She instigated the situation by getting violent first. I'm not saying he shouldn't have hit her. He should have held frame, but he lost his temper because he was struck and I'm sure it hurt. He should have got off the elevator, pressed charges, and dropped that cunt.

[–]Rogerdodger1985 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I completely agree. He should have handled that chick like Jay z handled his wife's sister when she went nuts on him in an elevator not too long ago. Stay calm, maintain frame, and let her look like a fucking retard while keeping your status as a straight up boss intact. That being said two different situations but you gotta stay in control no matter what...to me that's what being a man is.

[–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

What he did was wrong as fuck, no one disagrees. But the wife didn't file charges, and the NFL bases their punishment based on what the criminal justice system says.

[–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sports is a male circle. Of course women want to throw their collective monkey wrench into it. All male spaces need to be either infiltrated or destroyed.

Of course, since the NFL is more traditionally masculine than say, the indie game market, it's not as easy to fuck shit up in there like She Who Shall Not Be Named could.

None the less, you'd better believe that women are going to try their damndest to get the NFL under the jackboot of feminism however they can.

[–]mussedeq 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Donald Sterling wasn't ousted just because he was racist. It was because black people fucking watch basketball and the Clippers were losing advertisers fast because of his dumbass. It's not about morals, it's money. He should just take his money and die.

[–]CapitalG 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The Sterling scandal was really confusing to me. He allows his half-black girlfriend to sleep with black guys, but doesn't want her bringing them to the games? He's the worst racist ever. Secondly, when your franchise is valued at over 2 billion dollars, your star players are saying that they won't play if you're the owner, and advertisers are dropping like flies, why don't you just GTFO of LA and live out your last ten years in the Hamptons? Why fight the sale tooth and nail?

[–]1BadgerBurger 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's about his name. He already had money. But the scandal destroyed his reputation. I think he believed that if he could block the sale and hold the team, he would be vindicated in some way.

[–]awesomesalsa 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Is the hatred really necessary?

[–]awesomesalsa -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. Sports are an essential component of the cultural.subversion process

[–]VegasHostTre 14 points15 points16 points 11 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

He caved. Plain and simple. The manginas, the feminist, the white knights all put up this fake outrage even though she hit him first. So 2 elevators 2 events lets review

  1. Solange kicks the shit out of Jay-Z, Jay-Z holds frame. Gets torched by the media

  2. Ray rice's wife hits Ray Rice, Ray Rice knocks her ass out cold. Gets torched by the media

Lesson, stay away from elevators.........or atleast ones with cameras

[–]definitely_hetero6 points 11 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Very different outcomes:

Ray's wife now has a fallback career as a speaker on domestic violence (even thought she hit first), and an even bigger upper hand in a divorce scenario. Ray Rice's reputation severely tarnished, he'll be apologizing for this for the rest of his life.

Solange remains the crazy bitch who hit Jay-Z and allegedly used to sing at some point. Jay-Z reputation still in tact, and the whole event is history.

Hitting a woman is a terrible idea, you are giving her power. Life threatening situations aside.

[–]Rogerdodger1985 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuckin nailed it.

Plus look at it like this - if a child hit you you'd probably just laugh right? That's how I look at the situation now. If this happened (obviously in a non threatening context and all that jazz) to me now I would fuckin laugh cause guess what bitch at the end of the day I'm just better than you.

I mean don't get me wrong - if some chick comes at me I'm gonna swing or choke the bitch out cause if it's her vs me it's me all day but generally the 99% of the time when it's just some chick trying to flap at me I'm gonna laugh at that shit.

[–]1mcdehuevo 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Hitting a woman is a terrible idea, you are giving her power.

Agreed. This is the lesson all men need to learn in modern culture. Women now feel free to vent their anger at men by physically striking them because, in typical female fashion, they have learned to adopt masculine behaviors without internalizing any sense of masculine responsibilities such as self-restraint. In many of their minds, it can probably be framed as self-defense since hurting her feelings is equivalent to physical assault, and in extreme cases literal rape.

[–]Endorsed Contributorgekkozorz 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Often times, women will hit men not actually to do damage, but as a means of provocation. It's a test of your frame.

[–]1mcdehuevo 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely. But from the perspective of the justice system, an assault with intent to provoke should be treated no differently than an assault with intent to injure.

[–]Petrarch1603 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah especially elevators with Rebecca Watson in them.

[–]Fzed600 11 points12 points13 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Why are women stupid enough to size up against an athlete? Oh yea thats right women getting aggressive against men is cheered for in American society.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 4 points5 points6 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For the same reason that, although 50% of domestic violence incidents are instigated by women, it's usually the man that's hauled off to jail.

[–]16 TRP VanguardTRPsubmitter 9 points10 points11 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Perception is reality, guys.

He lost that relationship/battle LONG before that elevator incident if she felt free to strike her NFL RB muscular husband with no fear of repercussions

[–]Meatclap 5 points6 points7 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This has been kind of a thing in college campuses for two decades or longer. Allegations without due process have ruined more than a few young men unfairly, even when their accusers admit only crying rape because of their "shame" in giving consent in hindsight.

[–]sinalpha 1 point2 points3 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It goes beyond making an allegation. It requires conviction or plea agreement (most likely guilt to a lesser charge).

[–]naturalredpill 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link

I live alone. No domestic violence 'round here. I keep a box by my front door for stuff women leave here. I walk it out to their car the next time they come over. No slowly moving in.

I would rather lift and ride my bike and train Systema than watch sports on tv. Watching other men play sports is for pussies. Let the women run the NFL. I could care less.

[–]VegasHostTre 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You are more redpill than I, I love football and futbol. But your right in the sense that watching people live out their dreams on the idiot box is something that losers do.

[–]naturalredpill 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I will admit to keeping up with scores and players of the local teams because it's mildly interesting and great for small talk. I graduated college with honors by studying while everyone else watched games on tv.

[–]fortifiedoranges 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You could care less? How much less?

[–]naturalredpill -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolute zero is said to be very cold.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow, you're like, reallyyy alpha

[–]naturalredpill 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Date submissive women, it really boosts your testosterone. They love it when I act tough and show off.

[–]H4ppenSt4nce 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The domestic violence area of this new policy is getting the most attention due to the Ray Rice incident. However, this policy applies to all violent acts, not just domestic violence.

[–]prodigyx 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I drafted my girlfriend's fantasy football team last night for her. She is in a league with her sorority.

You bet your ass I picked up Ray Rice. Got good value for him too. Now I just need to come up with a good team name....

[–]vox_veritas -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The title of this thread is sensationalist and click-bait.

From the actual memo from Goodell:

If someone is charged with domestic violence or sexual assault, there will be a mandatory evaluation and, where professionally indicated, counseling or other specialized services.

However, it isn't clear from the memo or news reports whether the 6-game suspension requires criminal charges. The above quite appears simply to trigger a mandatory evaluation. The headline of this thread is still a bit sensationalist.

It might help further the discussion to read the actual NFL Personal Conduct Policy (PDF). Like most workplace conduct policies, it does not seem to require conviction. That should be no surprise, and it also shouldn't cause outrage. The NFL, although legally a nonprofit organization, is a business. It is not a court of law. It exists to make money, nothing more.

Secondly, this policy does not apply only to domestic violence and sexual assault matters. It applies to any "violations of the Personal Conduct Policy regarding assault, battery, domestic violence or sexual assault that involve physical force".

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Why would a woman who has 9 rolls royces, 4 ferraris, and 7 range rovers, is fucking an NFL guy, and lives in a mansion fuck that up? This is the kind of stupid shit that gives us a bad name.

[–]p3ndulum 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Three words: Lisa Lefteye Lopes.

[–]CapitalG 2 points3 points4 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

For those who don't know - Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes, of the 90's music group TLC, was dating NFL WR Andre Rison. She burned down his mansion after a night out.

[–]tallwheel -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, maybe she figures she's milked him enough. Time to go find another alpha with a deep wallet.

[–]ibangbang -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If you're a pro athlete then your team owns you, mind body and soul. They certainly pay for it. If you embarrass your owners or the league in any way, even if it's not intentional or not your fault, prepare to face severe consequences.

[–]1iluminatiNYC -3 points-2 points-1 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One, beating tail is beta as fuck. If you're with it, you ain't with me, ya dig.

Two, any NFL player has had to be on the lookout for shady women already. This isn't a new hustle. If you aren't woke to the game, I'm not sure what else will. Remember, Jerome Bettis and Bryce Paup have had to fight rape cases because women conspired to extort them. I'm not sure how this new rule makes things worse than they already are. Welcome to being a rich, young and famous man. Man the fuck up.

Three, Ray Rice, my fellow Scarlet Knight, why. WHY?! Come on dog. We know you helped put our school on the map football-wise, but WHY!!!!

[+]RPthrowaway123 -7 points-6 points-5 points 11 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link

Should rice have been suspended longer? Definitely, there's video evidence of him beating up his girlfriend.

But how about instead of changing the rules, we just enforce the ones we already have?

Edit: Not sure I understand the hate here. There's video evidence of Rice knocking out a woman. Its bullshit when a bitch hits herself to get a black eye so the cops think her bf hit her, by the guy actually did hit this woman and hurt her pretty seriously. Shouldn't the law be enforced?

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

the only video i'v seen is them coming out of an elevator and her being knocked out.

people who have seen the full exchange said it started off with his girlfriend getting all up in his face and hitting him first. then he whacks her and she hits her head on the side of the elevator or something.

of course that part of the video didn't get released.

i don't know why the nfl has to be so involved in the players' personal lives. how about they just show up, play the games they are paid for, go home and have the league leave them the fuck alone.

[–]RPthrowaway123 -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The NFL has an image to before and like it or not, a video of a well-known player hitting a woman is bad for the league. Of course the NFL will suspend him for conduct detrimental to its business.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

it's an image problem because the nfl made it a problem. if they didn't have these suspensions and the tmz factor it creates, no one would actually give a shit about a minor personal problem.

regarding your edit - maybe your post got downvoted because it was along the same idiotic line as you saying the woman was "hurt pretty seriously". she wasn't hurt. she's fine. they got married shortly after.

[–]RPthrowaway123 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Did they really get married? Haha, wow. I thought she had been knocked out which I would call hurt but if they got married after that...just wow.

[–]2alisonstone -4 points-3 points-2 points 11 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Rice is guilty, he belongs in jail. If the criminal justice system deems him guilty, then the rules say that the league should suspend him (and it is irrelevant if he is in jail anyways). But if the police did not press charges, I don't think it is a good thing that an employer or a private organization should be dealing justice, especially if it has no power to subpoena or gather evidence. What always happens is stuff like racism or discrimination. If the criminal justice system deems that he is innocent why should an employer have the right to override it?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Rice is guilty of self defense. Self defense is not a crime in the USA.

[–]2alisonstone -1 points0 points1 point 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oops, meant to type "If Rice is guilty". He wasn't charged with anything, so that is that.

[–]RPthrowaway123 0 points1 point2 points 11 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The employer is protecting its business, players hitting women looks bad no matter what in today's world.

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