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Woman goes to work in oil fields and man lands of North Dakota. Doesn't work out so well for her.

nyrp

January 14, 2014
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Title Woman goes to work in oil fields and man lands of North Dakota. Doesn't work out so well for her.
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nyrp

Upvotes 29
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Date January 14, 2014 4:49 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 59 points60 points61 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Reminds me of the documentary about a man who went to work into an all female industry and had endure extreme climate conditions and lack of household conveniences.

Oh wait.

[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It hasn't come out yet. I think it's scheduled to premiere February 30th.

[–]RC_5213 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This took me longer than I'd like to admit to get.

[–]Nemester 23 points24 points25 points 12 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

her employer says she earned $34,000 last year

Huh? On call delivery at the oil fields only earns that? That doesn't seem right. Either she wasn't really pulling her weight, or they really screwed her over.

[–]alt30313 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Well she also appears to be getting free housing provided by her company.

[–]mrpoopistan 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Do you have any idea what passes for "housing" in that situation?

Fuck, it's be easier and safer for her to build a fuckin igloo. Not defending a woman's poor decision to choose to work in the shittiest corner of a man's world, but . . . it's a really shit deal without regard to gender.

[–]alt30313 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

The New York Times article linked to the story said small apartments rent for $2,000 a month. It appears she was given a mobile home on a lot that she was responsible for hooking up to utility services. So free housing is not nothing. She could also have found a way to rent floor/couch space out to another female or male tenant.

The times article linked to the story also said: "Fast-food restaurants offer $300 signing bonuses for new employees, and jobs as gas station attendants can pay $50,000 a year." So she could have found a part time job or another low skilled job that paid more.

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2013/12/01/us/as-oil-floods-plains-towns-crime-pours-in.html?from=mostemailed

[–]nillotampoco 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

With her experience as a driver, a hotshot at that(knowing where to go makes a huge difference when time is money) she could jump ship to another company. Hell it showed her refueling, why not bullshit with other drivers to see what's out there?

That's right every truck driver is a rapist except for the female ones. Speaking of that, if she's so concerned about her personal safety why not buy a gun and learn to use it? Equalize the playing field.

[–]trpirate 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Speaking of that, if she's so concerned about her personal safety why not buy a gun and learn to use it? Equalize the playing field.

Because guns are bad! Guns kill people! Wahhh!!!

[–]alt30313 -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

I also highly doubt the men doing her job her job get free housing.

Edit: The video said they provided her housing because there was a lack of affordable housing. I'm sure the company is getting a tax credit for employing a woman and providing her with housing. So from a financial perspective it would make sense to give it too her vs a man. Especially when any immigrant or unskilled idiot can do her job (she has no skills and drives a truck).

[–]RedPillScare 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure the company is getting a tax credit for employing a woman and providing her with housing [...]

Your certainty isn't worth shit. There are more than enough reasons to complain about this story without unfounded conjecture.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Watched a video last night of a ND truck driver. He said his employer consistently tried to fuck his paycheck over and would have to correct them. He also said it's common

[–]MartialWay 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of these on call jobs only pay big money if you work lots of hours and are ALWAYS willing to be on call. She wanted the big money without the sacrifices.

[–]mrpoopistan -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They're fuckers.

I grew up around this business, and you have to be prepared to go to war to get anything. Lots of guys flock to the work because they'll hire any retard. Also there's a lot of competition with foreign-born labor, especially Arabs.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

or they really screwed her over.

Pshh sounds like she's got a Lilly Ledbetter claim. Time to sue!

[–][deleted] 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

http://www.genderratic.com/p/3230/equality-is-misogyny-when-will-feminists-stop-blaming-men/

There was a time when feminists thought toxic traditional feminine roles were part of the problem, but that was before the big push in the early 80s for women to go into the corporate world, when they slammed up against the stone wall of reality of what men’s lives were actually like, as opposed to their envious fantasies.

Oh yes – men lived lives of privilege they told themselves, privilege denied to women for no good reason at all! They went off to stimulating, fulfilling jobs while women stayed home up to their elbows in exploding diapers, muffled in Feminine Mystique…. Men went from exciting, fulfilling jobs to exciting golf to exciting all-male clubs where they plotted world domination.

Then women started entering the corporate world as something above clerical help and slammed right into the reality of the lives of the men they aspired to joining. What they found didn’t align, not at all, with their understanding of those men and those exciting, fulfilling lives they supposedly enjoyed at the expense of women – that unimpeachable understanding of the oppressor that all oppressed unfailingly have. They found cutthroat competition. They found dehumaninzing objectification of people as nothing more than units of production. They found they were 20 years behind their male peers in learning the social skills they needed to succeed – an impregnable, inscrutable game face that never, ever betrayed fear or pain, lack of any interest in pleasing people as a source of validation rather than benefit – basically learning all the things little boys had better learn before they are 10.

http://isteve.blogspot.com/2013/12/nyt-crime-in-dakota-oil-patch-its-trend.html

A pattern I've noticed is the New York Times' fear and loathing of prosperity in North Dakota. It's weird. The normal human reaction to a cold, emptying-out place finally getting a lucky break would be, "Oh, that's nice." But to the NYT, North Dakota is an endless horrorshow of cashiers making $24 per hour and other atrocities.

... Relative to inner city America, how crime-ridden is the Oil Patch? Well, toward the end of the long article:

While the raw numbers of murders and rapes remain low, every few months seem to bring an act of violence that flares like a gas flame on the dark prairie, shaking a community and underscoring how much life here is changing.

I think that answers your question.

http://www.the-spearhead.com/2013/01/17/big-oil-terrorizes-north-dakota-with-young-men/

But now we have another dastardly problem brought about by Big Oil — it is causing large numbers of young men to congregate in places like North Dakota, Wyoming and Montana. it is also giving them access to… Money! Oh, the horror!

These young men are interested in women, and sometimes try to interact with them. An advertisement featuring local Indian lasses being “leered” at by young men prompted the good people of our urban centers to react with shock and indignation. What savagery will the oil industry afflict us with next?

In all seriousness, it’s disheartening to see that ordinary young American men have come to be seen as a “problem.” Even more so that even the productive, hard-working ones are viewed with fear and suspicion. Of course there will be more problems when there are more young men, but the same goes for any other large group of people. I could easily write an article about the consequences of a sudden influx of young women. The title could go something like this: “New University Branch Campus Means More Young Women — And More Gonorrhea,” and it would be totally accurate. But people wouldn’t think it was a very nice or fair article. However, they recoil in fear when we talk about “young men.” What a terrible problem these young men must be for society. Why, we’d all be better off with a nation of old people, babies and women. As soon as the boys hit puberty, they are a menace until enfeebled with age.

[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Welcome to the world of the slightly below average man. I don't mean that in a disparaging way, as I have a lot of respect for people who are willing to do hard work to earn their living. But this is the lifestyle for most men who were not fortunate enough to get into college and straight into a well paying, comfortable office job and become one of "the suits". 40% of males are arrested before they are 23 (and as high as 50% for minorities such as blacks). People with criminal records are not going to get high paying, cushy white collar jobs. Some people come from poor backgrounds and can't afford to go to college. What do middle class white women think happens to these men?

Middle class white women / feminists only see the top 20% of men. The bottom half is completely invisible, they are lumped in with people like rapist, criminals, big foot, and the boogie man. That's why when they actually have to do what the average man has to do for a living, they freak out. And I'm not even talking about the bottom quarter of men, who has it a lot worse.

[–]DickTheLionheart 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I gotta disagree with you in part. Quite frankly, these days too many people are getting college degrees. The market for college educated people is way overflooded with every kid who had his 4 year degree in marketing or business or political science or art history or whatever, paid for by his parents or easily attainable federal loans. College is no longer where certain people go to get professional education for a career, it is a 4-year party with its own culture, station in life (everyone's expected to do it), and eventual graduation with a B.S. or B.A. in a subject you may or may not have some interest in and which may or may not have some applicability and use in a real-world job.

In actuality the trades are where many available jobs are now, simply because the notion of "everyone should go to college" has dried up some of the supply of labor for tradesmen jobs.

Part of me wishes I had gone into the trades simply because there is good money in them and almost always good work available (and you can be a plumber, but if you're smart enough and have the management and business skills you can also eventually own your own plumbing company, etc). However with a college degree and a JD (and at my young age, need to make something of a professional career for at least a while), I can't exactly go back on my training and education now.

I hear stories about lawyers who practice for a few years, get fed up, and open a restaurant and make plenty of money and love doing it rather than practicing law.

TL;DR: College isn't for everyone and society (and individuals) would be better served if many who currently go to college didn't, and applied themselves in the trades.

[–]trpirate 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

"I feel like a hamster in a wheel"

Yep.

I have zero sympathy for this woman. What she is missing is that the company, or "the suits" as she calls them, doesn't care about her living situation. She is getting paid market value for driving a truck. There are plenty of people out there who would do her job for the same amount of money. All she does is drive a truck to and from work sites. There is no reason she should be getting paid more.

It's the same thing as fast food workers. Fast food workers get paid minimum wage to put buns and patties together. They think that they need to be paid more because their job is "important." They're wrong. Anybody can walk into a McDonald's and learn how to make the food. They can beg for high wages all they want but their market value is still next to nothing. They are easily replaced, and might be soon:

http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/meet-the-robot-that-makes-360-gourmet-burgers-per-hour

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, she has no idea of the economics of the world. The hand she was a very favorable hand, but it was incredibly front loaded. She is a white woman that went to college (i.e. she's a middle class white woman, the only group better off are the upper class which is a very tiny percentage of the population).

Early on in life, she had a free pass. Women get hugely preferential treatment when they are young. They get on the priority lane to college and jobs, and they get a large boost to social value for simply being young. Similar to the time value of money concept in finance, this is good because you rather have the valuable asset now instead of in the future. Before she turned 30, it was ridiculously easy for her to set herself up to live the rest of her life in the top half of society. At 35+, these advantages are all gone. She's basically experiencing life as a man, except that she has the disadvantage of being in a physically inferior body (she won't be able to compete doing manual labor). She had plenty of time to launch a career, get married, acquire marketable skills, etc.

I understand the "Oh my god, why does my life suddenly suck!" feeling post wall women get. The quality of life suddenly went down the toilet because the perks dried up. But I don't have sympathy because most people never got those valuable freebies early in life. All she had to do is not piss away her advantage and she's all set for life.

[–]trpirate 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She's basically experiencing life as a man, except that she has the disadvantage of being in a physically inferior body

Bingo

[–]7Vega 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh I get it. She saw young dudes making money out there doing tough physical labor and she thought she would get paid the same amount for a (comparatively) cushy truck driving job.

[–]rj88631 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She isn't even doing the long hauls where the money is at. She sits around all day waiting for a call, plugs in the GPS drops off the part and is done until the next call.

[–]Clauderoughly 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Meh she went up with no skills and because she is a woman she won't do any of the really dirty, dangerous highly paid work.

She gets paid to sit in a nice warm truck and drive everyday, and she is paid approately for it.

She doesn't have any special skills. Anyone can get the license she has, so it's a flooded market.

Again, sad case of a woman making an awful career choice, and expecting society to bail her out for it.

If she had any fucking brains, she would learn to at least become a mechanic, and earn some REAL money.

She won't because that work is actually hard, and dirty. She won't be able to sit in a nice warm cab with her dog.

[–]FortunateBum 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There are a few of these stories floating around. (More common in the 70s.) The gist is a woman living life as a man. The arc is always the same:

1) I'm going to live life like a man! Men have it so easy! I'm going to have a great time, make lots of money, and retire early!

2) This sucks. Wow, it's so much easier to be a woman.

3) I'm going back to being a woman. It's far easier.

This story doesn't get to 3.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Her loneliness is magnified by a desolate landscape that’s dominated by men.

I wonder how this is built out in the documentary. No sarcasm intended.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Well she could lower herself and find a boyfriend or husband...

Oh wait she's post wall 38 - nvm.

[–]alt30313 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

lower herself and find a boyfriend or husband...

Even post-wall I'm sure she could find a semi-permanent relationship of convenience or an older/ugly husband that would be a decent provider.

[–]RedPillScare 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The SMP in a cold climate where hard dirty work creates wealth is nearly devoid of women, making Silicon Valley 2's* into North Dakota 9's.

She's getting offers constantly, and she can pick from a variety of cocks. Alpha cocks. Beta cocks. Mandingo giant cocks if she wants them.

*Silicon Valley's SMP is already badly skewed.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

As it happens, we can't all be winners. Not even in a boomtown.

No fucking way? I thought everyone could equally win at everything regardless of ability or despotism. LMFAO, it's capitalism, not utopian socialism.

[–]RedPillScare 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Her vagina comes with a guarantee of success.

[–]TRP Vanguard: "Dark Triad Expert"IllimitableMan 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

..in a brothel. Bazinga.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link

All the things she complains about men, including myself, had to go through frequently. No one cared before. Why should we give a shit just because it's a woman?

This is so aggravating. She finally has to get a real job, not HR or being an admin, and she finally sees what bullshit men have to go through just to earn money. At least she doesn't have to worry about going to prison for not being able to pay for a kid she's not allowed to see.

[–]Clauderoughly 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Why should we give a shit just because it's a woman?

Because sensitivity to female suffering is wired into our DNA, the same way we are wired to ignore male suffering.

[–]RedPillScare 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That would explain this burned out, raw, painful feeling in that part of my DNA. I get a flicker of pity, but then the brought-it-on-herself circuit breaker trips before I light myself on fire and dance naked in the moonlight.

Wait, what were we talking about?

[–]Clauderoughly 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Society has a whole, preferences women over men. It's part of our evolution.

It's a vestigial tail we still have that serves no real use anymore.

[–]rj88631 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmm, I guess she is only one out there having a hard time. I wonder where all the stories about the poor men being worked to the bone are. What about all the men not driving trucks but dealing with the dangerous drilling and oil extraction equipment?

I guess they don't count in the eyes of the Grey Lady.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

....what the fuck.

Why did she not get better endorsements to do higher paying work? A new driver with no additional endorsements isn't going to get high paying work anywhere. Even if the company was inclined to help you get those endorsements you still have to grind and show value to get it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Females have no place in the oil patch. They are weak and require special treatment men don't get.

[–]mrpoopistan 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Not meaning to be a dick, but . . . from a cursory look at it there isn't anything there that really slipstrems into the "TRP vs feminism narrative".

I grew up around the fossil fuel industries (in fact my dad was an oil field worker who married a waittress) and there's nothing there that really jumps out as anything that guys don't complain about in that situation.

If you want an interesting read on the subject of the modern oil boom Dakotas, try this one:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/susanelizabethshepard/wildcatting-a-strippers-guide-to-the-modern-american-boomtow

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp[S] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the whole thing is the fact that her experience seems to merit a documentary, whereas, you're exactly right; there are no new complaints compared to what a man experiences.

We just don't have the world crying alongside us when we do work that gives us housing without plumbing.

And as u/PaulRivers10 said, that defies the feminist idea of "male privilege."

[–]1PaulRivers10 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Where it fits in is in the feminist narrative of "male privilege", and the feminist idea that men go off to wonderful fantastic jobs all day while the women are "trapped" - at home, or raising children, or whatever.

In reality, a woman who come and does men's work - finds that most of that framing is bullshit.

I believe that what you're saying is true, that men in those fields have mostly the same complaints. The difference is that feminism likes to whine on and about their madeup concept of "male privilege", while in reality your average man is not working an amazing glamorous job, he's doing crappy work to get by.

Point is - a women takes a job in a man's field and hates a lot of things about - just like men in the field does.

The forum title for this article should be better, imo, but that's what I think the point is.

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