Why Chivalry Is Dead, From A Man's(AFCs) Perspective...

Metopsyuturvy · 2013-10-24T19:41:40+00:00

I'm a big believer in the concept that people want what they can't have. Case in point:

When I'm in love (essentially amiable lust) with usually an especially attractive woman, I tended toward trying to PLEASE her by how I think she'd want to be pleased (based upon what pleases me;solipsism) I.E. I give her lots of attention, chivalrous actions, and commitment (the traditional dating ritual hogwash). I AM VALIDATING HER AND DISQUALIFIYING MYSELF!

Basically I WANT HER and I'm trying to MAKE HER WANT ME via treating her with the "affectionate behaviors" that I want.

THE MORE ATTRACTIVE THIS WOMAN IS THE LESS THESE BEHAVIORS WORK... BECAUSE THEY ARE AVAILABLE TO HER IN ABUNDANCE SHE DOES NOT VALUE THEM HIGHLY...I.E. "Affection Inflation"....So almost always these relationships do not work out.

NOW....THE REVERSE...

Sometimes women who I'm not totally attracted to nor would consider for a long-term relationship because I don't LOVE them (no LUST whatsoever...) do these exact same "affectional behaviors" to ME....lots of attention, girl game, and committment, etc...It honestly has NEVER increased my LUST for them...In fact it is moderately to extremely repulsive, especially the harder they try. Actually the more I pull away the more they INCREASE these behaviors...very interesting...Why am I repulsed? Because these "affectional behaviors" show desperation/neediness!!! Which deep down signals to me that they are low value, and nobody respects things with low value.

SO.....

I have learn through trail and error and Red Pill Knowledge that the most successful why to get a girl to LUST after you is to NOT LIKE HER....LET ME SAY THIS AGAIN....

The most successful why to get a girl to LUST after you is to NOT LIKE HER!!!!

What I mean by this is that the second you LIKE/LOVE her you will attempt to PLEASE her which will eventually REPULSE HER....it is a very very easy trap to fall into...It is very tricky to balance these behaviors out, a proverbial push/pull tight-rope act if you will. I've heard people say that the way to have a relationship is for both partners to put in 50/50 ....Unfortunately along the way I got this WRONG and was PUTTING IN 100% of my effort for practically 0% returned, thinking that if I put in 100%, then they should be putting in 100%. NOPE!!!

So the best way to get affection/love/LUST from a girl is to put in NO EFFORT in the relationship. YOUR EFFORT SHOULD BE PUT INTO IMPROVING YOURSELF (MENTALLY , PHYSICALLY, PSYCHOLOGICALLY/SPIRITUALLY, and FINANCIALLY)!!! YOU SHOULD VALIDATE YOURSELF!!!

Case in point: I put 100% into wooing a woman once over the course of a few years during my youth. 1000's of hours thinking about her quite literally...I was friendzoned HARD....I wanted to be her husband and have her be my loving wife...NOPE....SHE GOES AND DATES for 8 years a minimum wage stoner lifeguard that lives with his parents at 33 years of age...I make >100,000 dollars a year and work at NASA and have a PhD and I am buying my own house at 29 with straight CASH NO DOWN PAYMENT, I am 6'3'' and 185 lbs and I am now ALPHA and HANDSOME AS A MOVIESTAR. It still makes me furious, bitter, and jaded to see her crawling and kissing hand and foot for this low life loser. He has been using her best years of her life as his own personal play thing since "why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free"....arrrghhh He is totally apathetic and has an attitude of indifference to her desires for marriage/children yet she still "is trying to change him" and " trying to make him jealous by using me as a flirtation device" and HE DOESN"T CARE and it makes her even more crazy in love with him....lol....Lets just say I learned a lot from her loser boyfriend about how to treat women. SHE IS VALIDATING HIS LOSER CHOICES so why should he change!

I have cut her out of my life. And now she is finally realizing that she isn't that hot anymore and men arn't giving her as much attention anymore (WALL). She is starting to realize what the rest of her life is going to look like with that guy. GOOD!!! Her having broken my heart has created the person you see today.

Now when I see a cutie I go up to her and say hi and because I don't give a fuck about her thoughts or feelings, they are practically dripping through their pants because here comes a high value man who doesn't want them....and that makes them WANT ME EVEN MORE.... "Oh you studied 7 years in grad school how to save the planet...GREAT!!! (as I act totally disinterested and start looking around for other women)....

Second Case: After that miserable experience with the first girl, I moved on to the next one (she was quite attractive when I first met her, but she literally went on to become a beauty queen...more about this later). This time I behaved differently. Instead of putting in 100% to PLEASE HER, I put in 100% to PLEASE MYSELF. I was like "Hey lets do fun things and you're allowed to come along for the ride. " This girl worked hard to PLEASE ME!!! Which actually repulsed me unfortunately, because I know that she was desperate for me because I've done those same behaviors before when I was desperate for a woman. She was practically proposing to me!: "I'm saving my virginity for my husband". Now she thought that she could tempt me into marriage with the offer of sex, but I didn't fall for it at 18 years of age (Good job 18 year old ME!). If I'd married her at 18 (when she was desperate for children) I don't thing I would have been the success I am today and she would have resented having a husband who was a loser and married his highschool sweetheart because that's who he settled for. Never once did I ever tell her " I LOVE YOU". She never told me she loved me either actually, but it was blatantly obvious that she was head over heels for me. This relationship (my best one ever btw!!! SO MUCH FUN!!! I was utterly validated and had dozens of women throwing themselves at my feet hoping that I would leave her, but I knew that the second I left her to date them they would dump me ASAP once I started to LOVE THEM...) ended when we both moved to separate states for college. There was no break up really, I just faded away...I know that had I continued the relationship that she would have eventually become oppressive/clingy/demanding and so I was just be prolonging the inevitable! I found that when I was single in college it was soo difficult to attract women. I needed a girlfriend again and I reverted back to my BETA ways trying to get one and it NEVER WORKED!!!! I ONLY wanted to sleep with women that I LUVVVED!!!! It was a vicious and depressing cycle of rejection and depression and it drove me into drug use to forget about it. Amazingly, I later found out that ten years after our relationship ended she still deeply resented me for not ever getting back together afterwards (BABE WE LIVE 1500 MILES APART!!!). She quite literally told me I was the best and most amazingly fun boyfriend she ever had. It was after high school that she slimmed down and won a beauty queen contest because she was reeling from my rejection and quite literally worked her ass off to increase her VALUE. While we were chatting for a few weeks 10 years after the break up, I fell in LOVE with ANOTHER woman and completely stopped calling her. She was so utterly devastated that I had dropped off the face of the earth again, that she eventually settled down and married a hideous ugly sexless BETA 6 months later. I found out that she has signed up for lactation classes. Now we all know how ALPHA WIDOWS turn out. She knows now subconsciously that her behaviors were desperate and she will recognize those desperate behaviors in BETA men. She will be utterly REPULSED by them and resent their LOVE,yet be force to settle for them because no one else is willing to propose to her as her VALUE keeps dropping. I'm certain that if I walked into her life again, she would throw away her marriage and children in order to have an affair with me. Don't worry, I'm not that kind of monster. I LOVE WOMEN and hate hurting them...even when it means denying her what she can't have. If I gave her 100% of the LOVE/COMMITMENT she was ASKING FOR she would eventually take it for granted and resent it and I'd be left paying HER ALIMONY!!!

Because I put 0% effort into the relationship and now put that effort instead into making myself more valuable I have seen women literally licking their lips as I walk over to playfully tease them. Now these women put 100% effort into chasing me and that's how I like it! NOW THEY ARE VALIDATING ME AND TRYING NOT TO DISQUALIFY THEMSELVES...and they aren't very good at it either.

I've heard women say things that they think would make me more interested: "My parents own a vacuum cleaner company, I'd make a good wife because I only spend $8 dollars a week buying beans and rice (personal favorite...she had 3 CATS...goodbye catlady), I've slept with x # of guys, I have tattoo's and piercings where you can't even see, etc. GOODBYE GOODBYE GOODBYE!!! The hamsters of these woman is in hyperspeed mode...never before in their pre-WALL life had they had to EXPLAIN or PROVE to men their VALUE...

Now at post-Wall they understand what it means to be in the friendzone/FWB zone....

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Long story short, I used to be blue pill because I was taught by women that that is how you treat women you LOVE, but after years of failure and devastating heartbreak with the few women that I LOVED I became angry, bitter, jaded, depressed, and suicidal. Red pill knowledge SAVED MY LIFE. I went through the stages of disbelief, denial, resentment, and now I UNDERSTAND the real world around me. The rose colored glasses are off and I've awoken from the fantasy world. I know what is behind the curtain. Unfortunately the cruelest thing about it is that I don't think that I'll ever be able to LOVE a woman the way I want to which is 100%, because I know that it is fatal. Now I am guilty and ashamed of myself because my red pill ways make women fall head over heels in LOVE with me. My indifference has caused obsessed blue pill women to stalk me, driven women to bulimia/anorexia/cruel dieting, made one woman become a pole dancing stripper, create buckets of tears and suicidal threats. I can only hope that they will eventually become RED PILL WOMEN and value a blue pill man before he becomes too red pill for their own good.

Addendum: I wanted to say a few short things about GAME. GAME means being VALUABLE to a member of the opposite sex. Both men and women can have it. For men, it is essentially being the most VALUABLE man possible and thus being very very careful with your COMMITMENT (i.e. MARRIAGE!). Believe me women arn't too interested in the thing swinging between your legs, they are drowning in em'. For women, it means being the most VALUABLE female possible and thus being very very careful with your SEXUAL SELECTIVENESS. If she say's "Lets just be friends!" you say "SURE!" and you NEVER CALL HER AGAIN, and watch the scales tip back in your favor! If a woman is unattractive to you, yet she LOVES you, you should help her become more attractive and become a RED PILL WOMAN and you might just like what you've created (as long as you can keep her interested in you!!!). But always remember, your commitment is far far more valuable than their goods, and remember that there are millions of fish in the sea. You are not alone in the desert!

[deleted] · 2013-10-24T18:55:19+00:00

"I buy women dinner and don't get laid, therefor women need to change their standards so that I get sorted to the top of the heap."

good luck with that fella

higherstandard · 2013-10-24T18:21:22+00:00

I am very new to red pill. Thought this was a particularly funny post.

My favorite line " It’s pretty obvious that women own the cards, and when they start acting like it, they’ll finally start getting dinner from places that don’t deliver."

Its hard now not to see this as a pained beta/white knight who is frustrated by his own failures... All comments welcome!

Stayinghereforreal · 2013-10-24T18:33:52+00:00

I think the guy misses the impact of the 80/20 rule, which is the shorthand way of saying a small minority of men get to sop up a large share of the sexual activity that is available in society.

In that 80/20 worldview or state of affairs, depending on how much you buy into it, the men getting the sex now don't bother with dinner because sex happens whether they buy dinner or not. And the typical guy who is not part of the sexually desired male caste (the proverbial 20% getting 80% of the action) can buy all the dinners he wants, but sex does not happen ... for him.

So the result is the so-called alphas don't bother with dinners or other chivalrous conduct because they don't need to in order to get sex. Beta and lesser males who will not get sex from chivalrous conduct similarly stop engaging in it (e.g., no dinners) because they quickly realize nothing in the way of regular sex comes of such conduct.

In short, guys getting sex don't need to be chivalrous. Guys not getting sex get no benefit from chivalrous conduct. So no guys are doing it. Smart moves by men, actually.

Where this guy gets it wrong is when he says that men will be chivalrous once women start demanding chivalry. He doesn't understand that women no longer reward chivalrous conduct, because it no longer conveys the status it used to.

Put another way, women don't want chivalrous these days, because chivalry no longer conveys anything useful about the current status of males. Remember that women want current status in males, not a specific behavior that in the distant past was accepted by grandma as expressing status in that time.

In the past, a man who acted chivalrously typically was among a higher social caste, where such manners and concepts were taught. The ability to be chivalrous--generous, protective, solicitous, etc.--indicated resources held by that person and his social group. Put simply chivalry=higher social standing.

But now, those same behaviors can be widely replicated, because of our vastly increased wealth and opportunity. Even the lowest burger-flipping teen can engage in superficially chivalrous behavior. Accordingly, chivalry displays almost no additional social standing above a minimum wage job. What use is it as a status marker for women? None. Women generally do not value it all, as a result.

In short, to make chivalry matter again, you would have to undo the impact of industrialization, universal literacy, better nutrition, and a variety of other related modern conditions that have changed which social behaviors women use as status markers relative to those existing 100-500 years ago.

TL;DR: This is a long way of saying that women are still selecting for the same thing--status--but they are looking at different behaviors to determine status.

Kepaso · 2013-10-24T19:38:24+00:00

thank you feminism! on a serious note, that was painful to read.

Racefiend · 2013-10-25T04:36:14+00:00

There’s a reason for this. If you take a girl out and show her you’re more than some douche looking to just get in her pants, odds are, you’re going to get a second date

He's right on. You may even get a third or fourth, or however many you're willing to pay for. Too bad you're not gonna get laid, though

Helmut_Newton · 2013-10-25T14:23:50+00:00

Men used to practice chivalry in the hope of meeting "the girl you can take home to Mom" (modest, chaste, etc.). Nowadays, with such women (almost) extinct, there is simply no reason for him to go out of his way...

Title	Why Chivalry Is Dead, From A Man's(AFCs) Perspective...
Author	higherstandard
Upvotes	15
Comments	10
Date	October 24, 2013 6:19 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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