Q4ALL: Would you consider pandering to women to be an "alpha/masculine" trait, or a "beta/unmasculine" trait?

Young_Oryx · 2019-05-24T00:53:54+00:00

I'm not at all sure how this is a real question. Basically everyone here will tell you that pandering to women is a beta trait.

Hell, I don't even buy into the red pill shit, and I can tell you that according to red pill theory, "pandering to women" is beta.

blackedoutfast · 2019-05-24T01:11:03+00:00

that's almost the definition of beta faggotry

Sir_Koopaman · 2019-05-24T01:17:37+00:00

100% beta faggotry

Maybelowsmv · 2019-05-24T01:37:25+00:00

Answering as a woman,

It's probably only manly when a hot or rough-looking latino does it. I think the buying me stuff part is too much, idk why. Calling me pretty depends. Like is it at appropriate timing or is he gushing 24/7 over how he's lucky to have me?

Theres a difference

we need ze baalnce

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-05-24T00:55:26+00:00

Are men who would "do anything to make women happy" the standard in the male world, while the men who would not "do anything to make women happy" are the unmasculine, beta simps who can't seem to "get with the program?"

this is bass-ackwards. yes, the majority of men are BETAS and thats what "men who would do anything to make women happy" describes

no they are not the most manly or masculine men, that slike RP 101. do you really question this?

angels-fan · 2019-05-24T01:00:42+00:00

Women despise men that pander to them.

And any man that would pander to anybody is a simp. Have boundaries!

geyges · 2019-05-24T01:08:34+00:00

Is this guy acting "manly" in this situation

Lol, doesn't matter , had sex.

I see so many guys groveling before girls, and it actually works much better than not doing it. I find that girls tend to take compliments at face value.

I've met only very few girls that are skeptical, and can easily see past flattery and bullshit. They're usually very high IQ and ambitious, its a different breed, and I admit that there's something intimidating about incredibly perceptive and smart female... but I digress

NockerJoe · 2019-05-24T01:36:57+00:00

I'm gonna say what matters is how you do it. Game is basically just pandering without looking like pandering.

SilentLurker666 · 2019-05-24T01:42:45+00:00

Q4Men: You see a guy giving women what they want and going out of their way too appease them in an effort to get those women to like and have sex with him. Is this guy acting "manly" in this situation, or would you consider him to be an unmanly, "beta" guy?

If the women, in turn, is giving her men what he wants and gets him to like her and have sex with her... then it's not so much as pandering but fair trade... this is the idealized fantasy scenario thou.

Men love women and will do anything to make women happy. Men who do not are the defective minority.

depends if there's equal treatment from the oppositing party. Unfortunately if it's only a one-way street... it can also be considered the individual being defective... i.e. /r/niceguys

Men who've come to the conclusion that despite men "loving" women and doing anything to make women happy, but not being reciprocated in return are considered "defective" in the eyes of society... because they have been used by women and are no longer capable of the same level of self-less acts of love anymore. In turned they are shamed by society as "not being men enough" ... or aka MGTOW. What should be the focuse here is why should women be deserving to be unconditionally loved in the first place, when they are not capable of returning or reciprocating said acts and feelings.

sadomasochrist · 2019-05-24T02:31:26+00:00

Good luck with this strategy. There's a reason why TRP is amoral, it's because pandering\being nice etc is a shit way to get laid.

TheBookOfSeil · 2019-05-24T02:36:00+00:00

Try to treat women a bit like you treat men. Do you appease guys every chance you get? Duh.

geyges · 2019-05-24T01:01:51+00:00

Trp is gay. Its conforming to womens desires rather than forcing them to conform to yours. Thats why its members have a chip on their shoulder and burning need to prove their alpha street cred at every turn. The “blue pill” male posters who only flair themselves blue to try to out alpha the reds here are even worse. Nothing but brag brag, shit on other men and brag some more. You can clearly perceive the desperate need to constantly feed their own wounded ego at the expense of other men, without even fully grasping WHY theyre insecure... which has to do with their utter dependence on female validation and need to be at the top of a hierarchy to get access to said validation.

Any man who values himself as more than a means to female ends wants to flip this script and become the decider, rather than the decided upon. The one who dictates terms rather than accepting those dictated to him. To make his environment, and women, a product of himself rather than being a product of his environment. To control, rather than conform. This is why TRP is, here at the end of its lifecycle, composed of preening male peacocks, mere ornaments to the feminine imperative who are wholly shaped by it... also why it has lost relevance and anyone with a shred of dignity or intelligence has moved on to other manospherean branches which offer a vision of masculinity not dependent on female validation. One that seeks a brutal and tangible victory, or at least a form of cultural struggle and parity, in the gender wars rather than merely individual atomized “success” in a world shaped by and in service of, female desires and needs.

When conditions in the prison become sufficiently grueling, inmates stop battling to be the alpha top dog gang leader and start planning a riot against the guards. In the nightmarish conditions of 19th century factories, workers eventually stopped caring about who gets to be the alpha floor boss, and started plotting to seize the means of production. In a colonized nation, sooner or later you can't play princes and would-be rulers against each other anymore, because the entire race is fed up and rises up against you. We're approaching that crisis point for the leftover men of western society, who are tired of seeing themselves get cucked and shat upon politically, socially, economically and most of all, sexually. The factory owners, gulag officials, and colonial governors - ie, women - are losing their ability to play men off against each other. The strutting cock-of-the-walk would-be AMOGs at this sub are like the last few Uncle Toms or nazi collaborators, holding on to what little vestige of sham power the Matriarchy allows them, before being swept away by a glorious beta / incel / tradcon / neo-nazi takeover which will institute a golden age for men, put all feminists in re-education camps, and put an end to feminization of the west once and for all.

The ancient patriarchs of history would not have stood idly by as society became overrun by culturally diseased self-hating left wing gender-traitorous "men", barbaric foreign infidel hordes, screeching hambeasts, and mentally ill abominations which are neither quite men nor women. They would not have been into this "enjoy the decline" bullshit, or become strutting male peacocks for the benefit of the female gaze as the Acropolis burns down around them. They would've been righteously angry, and moved to take collective action to quell the threat. They would've TAKEN their women, put their asses FIRMLY back in the kitchen or marital boudoir where they belong, and there would've been none of this talking back or abortion or marital "rape" bullshit. There would've been none of these "are men even good enough for women" threads on reddit, because the question would be laughed off as the irrelevant non-issue it is. Who cares what women think, they are there to be ruled. RULED, not catered to.

In due course, it will turn out that the effeminate cucks of the 19th and 20th century that afforded women vastly too many rights were a blip on the radar of male tradition; from gen Z on, the restoration of masculine virtue will begin. Historians will be someday be able to look back and pinpoint Donald Trump's ascension as the moment the pendulum began to swing back towards a true form of male domination - not the vain parlour-trick "dominance" which arose from PUA/kink communities, but the real deal. The glorious institution of patriarchy made whole once more. Not every man for himself, but men, collectively, ascendant.

TLDR: Beta uprising, when??

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Title	Q4ALL: Would you consider pandering to women to be an "alpha/masculine" trait, or a "beta/unmasculine" trait?
Author	TheBookOfSeil
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Comments	43
Date	May 24, 2019 12:48 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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