Do you think there is a natural symmetry in humanity?

exit_sandman · 2016-01-20T21:14:32+00:00

A lot of bluepill people often see this as an example of systematic sexism, discrimination on the part of the University, because women aren't represented in Engineering.

Now the question becomes, would those same people scream sexism when they see that nursing or education majors are 80% or more women?

Or to answer you question, no. I do not believe there is a natural symmetry in humanity. Especially when it comes to personal interests.

Equilibriun · 2016-01-20T22:39:09+00:00

Equal opportunity is not equal outcome

user5577 · 2016-01-20T23:55:50+00:00

No, because this thinking goes against everything we understand about evolution.

In the large majority of mammals, females and males differ largely on both their physical and social roles.

Wolves, Apes, Chimps, Monkeys, hyena, Lions etc. In fact the more socialable the species the larger the difference tends to be.

So why on Earth, for a second, could I believe that humanity just spat in the face of 3 billion years of evolution and say "na im different". The theory of evolution dictates that human sexes also diffet greatly.

Race is a separate issue. Race is created by geological isolation. For example if humans never migrated and africans stayed in africa, whites in europe and asians in asia, they would eventually diverge into separate species.

Somewhere in the world exists 2 humans, who are more genetically diverse than any other human, and here's a spoiler, they wont both be white.

So once you accept that humans are just as susceptible to the laws of evolution as any other animal, you quickly realise that yes race is a thing.

appencapn · 2016-01-20T21:28:42+00:00

I do not believe there is a natural symmetry in humanity but I believe for the sake of society we should promote equality in terms of race, gender. Also I believe that when people are taught that other races or sexes are inferior they tend to believe all members of said race or sex are the same and all inferior in a similar quality. If people want to believe a certain race or sex does not have the same skill set or intelligence as another I think its equally unscientific and stupid to treat and devise societies where every member of that race or sex is treated as an inferior

appencapn · 2016-01-20T22:06:45+00:00

I think 80% of the engineering school is men because women are coddled and know they can land a bb parachute and men know they need to work hard more than differences between the genders.

I'm curious how these gender ratios pan out in "work hard or be dirt poor" countries like the former eastbloc and China, India.

joseremarque · 2016-01-20T22:14:37+00:00

XX != XY

How much difference that makes in any given circumstance is up for debate, but it is absolutely clear that biologically there is no perfect symmetry.

[deleted] · 2016-01-20T22:13:15+00:00

I don't believe in symmetry, but I do believe in judging people professionally independently of race/gender. I don't support affirmative action due to this, but I do think that it would be good (in theory) to redact names and genders to eliminate these facts on university and job applications in the preliminary stages. That way no one can (reasonably although someone inevitably will) call foul.

I feel that independent differences are greater than gender differences, but that there are obvious gender trends. Women tend to have different interests than men, trying to force an equality of interest seems sexist to me, but an equality of opportunity is egalitarian.

[deleted] · 2016-01-21T14:41:25+00:00

I believe that on a fundamental level, men and women are biologically different. However, this varies so much person to person that it's incorrect to judge one person's ability on their gender. It's obvious that sex has a bigger effect on physical ability stuck as strength, but much less obvious that if sex has an effect on how people think and operate. I know many men more feminine than I am, and I am always often called very masculine, despite my outward appearance.

midnightvulpine · 2016-01-21T00:14:52+00:00

I don't believe men and women are entirely the same, but I don't believe the differences are as wide as some think they are. And most are waning vestigial remains of times long past.

However, I think the people who obsess over 50/50 splits in everything are too obsessive in their own right. Open access and a lack of negative environment when it comes to either gender doing what they want is what I care more about. I don't care if ninety percent of engineers are men, as long as women who want to be engineers have the same access and an environment free of ridicule over their gender. I think we're close to that, but not entirely there.

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Date	January 20, 2016 8:59 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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