Humans are Hard-Wired to Crave Sex with as Many Different Attractive People as We Can. Pair-Bonding was Dead before it Began.

[deleted] · 2015-06-25T03:46:59+00:00

This is the stupidest argument that absolutely defines the Narcissism Generation.

We're also programmed to kill, to utterly destroy and savage any challenger to our throne. Would you like that to return? You feel confident enough to kill any man who challenges your masculinity?

What we're programmed to do and what we need to do to build and maintain a healthy society are two different things.

[deleted] · 2015-06-24T22:00:06+00:00

We do crave sex with as many partners as possible but it's not the only thing we crave nor is it always our strongest craving.

bklyn_40 · 2015-06-25T02:45:17+00:00

Disagree. there's more evidence for one mate than not. Many mammals pair for life. Years ago, our life-span was MUCH shorter so monogamy was easy. Before the 80's the economy allowed for a single income household. Marriage/relationships lasted so much longer. Now that many workplaces have many women and men, we spend more time with these co-workers of the opposite sex than our spouses. THAT is why the narrow-minded falsely believe that we are not a monogamous creature. If we spent as much time (or more) with our significant other as we do with co-workers, marriages would last longer like before the 80's.

MattyAnon · 2015-06-25T01:17:04+00:00

You want to bang hotties, she wants to bang hotties.

And she wants to be paid. Then commitment. Then marriage. Then support. Then alimony.

You want "attractive", while she makes an AF/BB judgment and treats/exploits men based on her assessment.

You try to better yourself to bang as many girls as possible. She eats donuts and tries to shame "those sluts" and trick you into monogamy so she can exploit you for commitment, attention, emotional support, money and security. While playing the victim.

You are happy to play the active member in dating and take all the risks. She takes none, is purely passive, and convinces herself this makes her better than you.

In other words: you've avoided all gender bias in your article. In fact, there is no mention at all of any gender differences at all. The reality is that women and men are different. We have been told women are different, and differently they certainly are. But you're right about one thing: monogamous they certainly are not.

APookIsAPook · 2015-06-25T06:40:45+00:00

Sex at Dawn is a biased source. Look up the authors, these are not professional biologists. They're a husband and wife who are English majors and Psychologists/psychiatrists. They likely live a lifestyle similar to what the book argues is natural.

The book's argument is based on the notion that human behavior follows that of bonobos because of how closely related we are. It argues that we're naturally polygamous. However, it neglects to mention that chimpanzees are just as closely related to humans and they're very aggressive and territorial, so I really don't buy the argument.

I actually have read 3/4ths of the book, since I heard it mentioned many times. I couldn't even finish the book because of how many poor arguments/arguments with obvious holes were being made. It seems to me to be a very weak argument which is popular because people use it to justify their lack of desire for commitment.

edwardhwhite · 2015-06-24T21:34:44+00:00

Monogamy is a thing. Pair bonding does exist. But to quote Outkast: "If what they say is "Nothing is forever" Then what makes - then what makes Love the exception?"

We can easily go beta and backslide. Many people do the monogamy thing. They get burned eventually.

What you have is an appeal to nature, which is a logical fallacy. There is no one good way or bad way to do anything. There is just something that has advantages and disadvantages. And when you look at it, for folks like us, monogamy has more disadvantages than advantages.

bitches_be_crazy86 · 2015-06-24T21:35:17+00:00

Monogamy is just a method of extracting resources and time out of men.

It's just a scam. We have always lived in hypergamy and 10/90 rule has always appllied.

monsieurhire2 · 2015-06-24T21:52:29+00:00

For me, not trying to fuck 10 different women, but trying to find one good one, is more about avoiding STDs, unwanted pregnancies, unnecessary drama, violence, and other pitfalls, while getting to experience the luxury, as opposed to the need, of sex, love, mutual support, and companionship, while leaving time to pursue interests unrelated to sex.

Would it be great to fuck 10 hot women while in an LTR? Sure, but in my opinion, all the attendant risks aren't worth the reward. If we lived in a different world, where there was no STDs, where people were reliable, peaceful, not prone to envy, etc., I'd be all for it. Unfortunately, we don't live in that world.

herpes_delivery_man · 2015-06-24T23:57:57+00:00

But pair-bonding does exist, at least in animals such as voles.

Here's a scientific study that was done: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK97287/

This study states that there is enough evidence to suggest that there are biological mechanisms underlying pair bond formation in monogamous voles, specifically in their neural circuits.

It is not clear if this applies to humans, because not enough research was done for humans. But current studies suggest that perhaps similar neural circuits are used to facilitate pair bonding in voles and humans.

mrp3anut · 2015-06-26T17:35:25+00:00

The problem with your argument is that you think "natural" has only one meaning. You point to biological drivers from our basic instincts while giving little to no thought to the "natural" rational capabilities of the human mind.

Our instincts exist to ensure the continued existence of our species when our rational minds either lack the capability or desire to do so. In order for human society to exist we must suppress certain instincts or they will prevent the existence of society. By your definition of natural we should also murder, steal, rape, support the enslavement of other humans, and any other desire we may have regardless of the physical, emotional, or economic damage it may cause to both ourselves and the other person.

Understanding monogamy is not instinctual is good but it is not the reason it is dead in the modern western world. Monogamy is dead because the societal pressure to adhere to it are no longer enforced. Society needs monogamy to flourish so in the past we utilized other instinctual drivers to override it. The desire to "fit in", fear of loneliness, and, shame are examples of the motivations used to keep monogamous relationships prevalent. This did not eliminate the desire of poly but it kept it in check for a sufficient portion of the populace which is all that is needed.

dudeinhammock · 2015-06-24T21:43:08+00:00

FYI, there are also a SexatDawn and TangentiallySpeaking subreddits.

SuperSlavisWife · 2015-06-24T21:34:44+00:00

I'm getting a lot of downvotes. Anyone care to engage me in conversation?

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