I'm on the edge of going MGTOW. Help me out.

carbonblob · 2020-01-23T07:24:43+00:00

I just don't see many compelling options here in the states.

If you're in a restaurant and the menu

offers nothing that interests you
everything seems too expensive (based on on the intrinsic value)

You leave.

Then, go home and make yourself a sandwich. Reflect on how you were nearly steered into spending the equivalent of an entire week's worth of sandwiches in the restaurant, for only one meal there.

CuriousIncel2 · 2020-01-23T07:30:45+00:00

Accept that you have to make a major sacrifice no matter what you choose.

If you want a woman who'll do things for you, you have to put in the work - get in shape, get your shit together, learn game. If you don't want to put in the effort but still want a woman, prepare to be enslaved. If you decide to ignore women, learn to deal with the loneliness / craving / shame / whatever the fuck you feel. These are conditioned into us, there's no magic bullet to just stop wanting women, otherwise there wouldn't be any simps.

All of these choices involve major major sacrifice on your part. Accept the responsibility and do what it takes, adopt a stance of "no excuses". Leave the complaining to women.

ATTOJ19 · 2020-01-23T07:06:28+00:00

Dude you and I are so much alike except that I didn’t move overseas. I’m also late 20s. I also have been going out to bars on the weekend getting fucked up and whether I bring back a girl or not it’s still the same shitty hangover feeling sorry for myself every time. I meet the same kind of girls. They usually have nothing about them that carries any kind of substance besides their looks which they are born with. I think it’s sad that a woman only has to rely on her looks and sexuality to navigate through life, like don’t you ever want to learn anything or become someone with great character?

hugaddiction · 2020-01-23T08:09:02+00:00

Your putting a lot of effort into trying to get a lay/relationship. Think of all the useful shit you could have done with that time to make your life better. I bet you'd be making more money, and if you were, you wouldn't have to chase them, they would chase you.

2020-01-23T08:22:58+00:00

Whether you're going MGTOW or not, it's always wise to focus on being content by yourself first and foremost, and not to rely on women to fill whatever holes you may have in your soul, or what you lack in your existence. Even if your ultimate goal is to find a NAWALT, start a family etc.,coming from a place of discontentment is the worst possible starting point for vetting women properly. So you don't need to decide on a MGTOW lifestyle right now, all you need to do is to aim towards a goal of emotional self-sufficiency, since that's what will work out best for you either way.

Apart from not wanting to get married or cohabitate, my level of involvement with women is still a work in progress, something I'm figuring out of as I go through life. So I wouldn't necessarily call my self 'MGTOW', but I'm definitely 'MGTOW-aware'. And that has changed my perspective on a lot of things; what I actually need or don't need (like 'female validation'), what to take as a compliment or an insult (like a girlfriend wanting to marry me), what can or cannot be fixed, when to walk away and so on and so forth.

If there's only one thing I'd take from the MGTOW mindset, it would be to always put myself and my own needs first, to do so unapologetically, and to walk away from anyone who doesn't fit into that puzzle.

Doctor_Red_Pill · 2020-01-23T08:25:15+00:00

It’s just not worth it anymore. I’ve been in six semi-serious to serious relationships since 2008, with some hookups in-between.

The most difficult part is complete and utter lack of communication. If a woman wants to be casual, that’s fine, but they act like they want something serious. You get involved with a woman serious and over time they want to downgrade to casual to monkey branching to someone else. Women never know what they want. When you really think about it, what kind of investment is being in a relationship? It’s a arduous task with little to no payoff. If you get married there is a 60 percent chance you are going to go through a divorce. Why do that? If you have kids more than likely you will have shared custody and have to deal with a lot of unpleasantness. Why? So you can raise children in a broken home and mess up their outlook on the world?

Casual dating sucks too. Whether in person or online you have to jump through hoops, make a good impression, spend money, and waste time on someone you might have sex with. Even if you do get laid, there is still a high chance that person might be crazy, or have STDs, you don’t really know. Once you have had sex with a few women, you have experienced it all. Sex has lost its luster.

The only positive thing being involved with a woman is those small moments where you think you have a emotional connection, but that will not last. There will always be something going on. If not multiple issues, there will at least be on glaring issue.

It could be some crazy ex-boyfriend who continually tries to ruin your relationship.

It could be a woman’s drug addicted parent.

It could be a STD, it could be a mental issue, it could be a secret child, it could be crippling debt, it could be hidden degeneracy. Something really fucked up will come up and it will gnaw at you if you just ‘deal with it’. If you do confront any issues, there won’t be resolution. It will just be a argument.

Which brings me to my next point: when a man is in a relationship with a woman, what I have seen time and time again is your feelings don’t matter. They never matter to a female. If a woman does concede to a request, let’s say something along the lines of “please stop communicating with your ex while we are together” they will do it, but with pure contempt for you. They will treat you like shit, even if you are asking them to do the right thing. Rules will apply to you, but not to them. A relationship is a non-stop shit test and struggle. I don’t care how redpilled and alpha a man is, if they are in a relationship it is a never-ending battle to steer the ship in the right direction. Even if it is a logical decision you want to make, a woman will do their damnest to fuck things up. Trying to save money for a new home? Good luck getting a woman not to waste money on new clothes or a new purse they don’t need.

Take it from me pal. Every time I have been single for a extended period of time, I have been debt-free, with money in the bank, and I do things how I want to do them.

When I was in a relationship, my money disappeared and my debt increased.

I have completely cut out my beta simp side and it’s crazy, it’s like the movie They Live. I look at other guys I know in my life and I see their marriages, second marriages, and long term relationships and I just see they are slowly going through the grinder.

Ivio111 · 2020-01-23T07:01:04+00:00

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crityouallday · 2020-01-23T09:22:46+00:00

The MGTOW Bros aren't here to help you out. We give more of a shit about our own lives. That having said.

If you seek women and attention from those creatures that's all you. You know the caveats and can Bob and weave and perhaps defeat their traps. But know it's a trap. You can become a trap master.

I myself am tired of traps the whole deception game, lies and manipulation.

You'll soon find the compelling options mostly have a ring on it from some other simp. Random figure I feel is right is 1/10 of the simps actually made it out with a decent good woman.

There's nothing I or we MGTOW can say that's already been said here in the past. You have been shown the door and there's no gun to your head to walk on through.

Peace of mind which leads to happiness > fulfilling some weird female companionship craving. Some people love to gamble nothing wrong with that. In my instance to win at gambling is not to play.

For instance if time = money Working ADDS $, bad habits SUBTRACTS $, Divorce, kids, alimony divides $. MGTOW and books can multiply $. Perhaps I'm selfish and don't want to share my resources. My money my time.

nothing_anyway · 2020-01-23T07:08:58+00:00

Look, my dude. Im 34. I make more money now than i ever have. When i want sex, i buy it plain and simple. Get on Instagram find a cute girl, offer her 500 cash. Trust me, she will take the money. Get laid, and be just fine for another 3 months.

AeternusDoleo · 2020-01-23T08:35:07+00:00

On tinder...

If you're shopping in what is the bargain bin of the dating pool, don't expect quality products. Don't expect actual bargains either...

So, I ask you guys, how do you do it?

You're already halfway there:

They have so little to offer and their expectations are so high that I know I'm better off ignoring them completely and focusing on myself.

Take your own advice, basically.

ResidentTruck · 2020-01-23T09:35:26+00:00

You sound like you've got your shit pretty much together.

At the same time, I am a man with a desire for female companionship, that is currently unfulfilled.

As I see it, you have several options: you could go overseas again, since you seem to have had a better time there. Or you could stay in the states and just try a different venue than clubs and tinder in hopes of finding a better sort of woman. Or you could just hire a professional.

So, I ask you guys, how do you do it?

I don't. I get entirely too much female companionship at work. I don't need more drama. On the other hand (heh) porn is both free and plentiful, it won't insist on trying to talk to me when I'm laying there pleasantly empty-headed after, and I don't really care if other guys are also using it.

laughterOnIce · 2020-01-23T07:14:18+00:00

Unnecessarily big ego and pride can be both a curse and a blessing. In my case, definitely a blessing. I can't take the shit women do just because they are women. I got too much self respect for that. Therefore, I'd rather not deal with them romantically.

If you ever have doubts about GYOW, spend 2 minutes on FDS sub and decide if you still wanna deal with them. Sometimes it helps.....

MrCarepig · 2020-01-23T08:43:54+00:00

Its only a matter of time before the majority of women around the world are like that. Over weight, colored hair, rude and with tattoos, ect.. no wonder birth rates are dropping in some places. I suggest you go into the deep end and tryto meet women again. Remove the doubts and what ifs, get it out of your system. Eventually you will go your own way judging by how the state of things are.

Equivalent-Craft · 2020-01-23T09:09:20+00:00

Im hearing ya too. Iv been goun out the last year. But the quality of womennis deteriorating...even the fattys think theyre special. Im steppin back n doin up my hoyse for 6 months. Travel could be on the horizon.

0lemundo · 2020-01-23T11:23:17+00:00

In your current state, you should be aware that, regardless of what you decide, you are vulnerable. Don't let your guard down, and good luck.

Phantom_Spark · 2020-01-23T14:16:06+00:00

You have to recognize your needs and find ways to address it. If you ignore it, you will be miserable. TFM says all the time, just get a doll. And let’s be honest... if an affordable option comes to market in the next 10-20 years for a sex bot... many men will check out and never look back.

There’s a whole toy and doll industry designed to help in that department. Not to mention porn and if you feel like taking risks there’s also prostitutes and women in more patriarchal countries.

It’s all about post nut clarity. Handle your business and then ask yourself if it’s still worth while to invest in women? You will more likely say no. But if you deny yourself, you become desperate and thirsty.

The same applies to all areas of life. When you go for an interview, you come from a position of strength when you already have a job and can just walk out.

The same applies to women. If you’re thirsty your approach is immediately WRING.

KneeDeepThought · 2020-01-23T14:30:41+00:00

Being MGTOW doesn't mean celibacy or never dating. It's just a philosophy of not making yourself permanently vulnerable to things like false accusations or divorce battles in the current legal system where everything is stacked against us. Some men's way takes them away from women forever, others less so, but the point it to never place yourself in a situation where a woman's lies can take away your freedom, wealth, children, etc.

If you feel the need to have female companionships occasionally, fine- just do so carefully and be ready to leave as soon as the warning flags start getting thrown.

quickGunShoot · 2020-01-23T14:50:27+00:00

It’s just how it is. Take it as an opportunity to self-reflect, it would be easier to make a decision then.

WovenRaptor · 2020-01-24T00:26:18+00:00

Just do what you think is right, you can ask others opinions and what their experiences have been, but ultimately the choice is yours. Before making your decision make sure to check arguments on both sides, don't just jump to a conclusion after hearing one opinion, argument or otherwise. I'm sure you will do what is right for you

Title	I'm on the edge of going MGTOW. Help me out.
Author	Ivio111
Upvotes	4
Comments	34
Date	January 23, 2020 6:49 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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