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[–][deleted] 396 points397 points398 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
When women try to define masculinity they are just describing their ideal standards for a man and it's usually some simp bullshit. If any woman ever tries this with you, define feminity for her and I guarantee you she'll be offended.
[–]Patricijaobjectdude148 points149 points150 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
The only reason why men play along with women's bullshit is because of our dominance and honor instinct.
The red pill community only talks about female nature, they fail to reflect on themselves and thus, fall into the trap of playing along in a bullshit game while pretending they are winning because they are now aware the game is bullshit WHILE also knowcking down other men.
Mgtow though, we not only know of female nature, we actually choose to look at ourselves as well. As a result, we have the potential to self actualize and find inner peace.
[+]prinzklaus-10 points-9 points-8 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Gotta disagree. One of the core tenets of red pill is about making oneself better. It makes you reflect if you're "alpha", "beta", an orbiter, etc.
Boiled down it makes you take a look at yourself and how you act. It preaches a mindset. Hell the red pill community has a mgtow topic over there.
[–]f4t4l1st1k49 points50 points51 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
But to what end?
Red-pill: Improve yourself so you can spin plates and get women. So you can succeed as a provider.
MGTOW: Improve yourself in the way you define. "way you define". Self definition, in this way, is the ultimate mark of masculinity. As much as I hate to use these labels, this path leads to the sigma male...
[–]FritzLn14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed. Red pill is just tapdancing lessons.
Techniques to be the good little monkey she desires so that you can "win"
Good luck
[–]Patricijaobjectdude5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Red pill is nothing more than knowledge of female nature. Having knowledge does not automatically change your behavior.
If you believe that pussy is the end goal, and you figure out what you need to do to acquire more pussy.. you'll go after pussy. A lot of people on the TRP sub are massive simps. You say you don't want to fuck and they'll ridicule you and urge you to leave.
What does change your behavior are the beliefs, life paradigms and personal values you have. Logical information alone does not change these. Emotional factors do.
[–]MgtowAutumn2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’m not anti-red pill since I sent PUA to red pill to MGTOW as an “evolution”, but like the others said in the end red pill is all focused around redefining yourself in a way that appeals to women. At this point I don’t do anything to impress women because the things that impress women are not things that truly improve you as a man. There is some overlap with things like weight lifting, the attention I get when I’m going steady at the gym opposed to being lax is markedly different for instance. But for all the talking about “maintaining your frame as an alpha”, it’s still all about how you can make women like you more.
[–]ThirstySasquatch27 points28 points29 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Which is exactly why toxic masculinity isn't a thing. And if it was, since modern masculinity is defined by women, then by use of logic they created toxic masculinity
[–]EconomistMagazine14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Toxic masculinity is a terrible name for what it's preported to describe. Men shaming and dominating men is toxic to our community, as an example.
There are toxic areas of femininity and masculinity. The media just doesn't give a shit about half.
[–]dmunny446 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They reward "toxic masculinity" by having sex with those guys
[–]frikabg19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yup I can see it now some hambeast who's face looks like it was in at least a couple of train wrecks telling me how i have to be tall fit and have loads of money to date her ... lol
[–]SpanishSalchicha7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude stop arguing with holes.
No point.
[–]Flying_piggy0014 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
MaNsPlAiNiNg
[–]Nemoitto2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
God damn I fuckin agree with this
[–]ZedOpenGG83 points84 points85 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The funny thing is what women describe as masculine nowadays are actually feminine beta traits they'd like to see in a man.
[–]eightgaydiamonds56 points57 points58 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They like Betas, they just don't have sex with them.
[–]Gonedric12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As a society, women like more feminine men. Men they can talk to, men that understand them.
Biologically, as animals, they're attracted to the strong, biologically more masculine men and that's why they tend to have more sex with those. This is not the social norm.
They literally brand biology as "sexism".
[–]iwant2liveinpeace57 points58 points59 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Well not just wahmen!, The government / schools / corporations /media / cucks / simps define what masculinity is today. If they define masculine as a emotional boys in tutus so it is. To hell with the system. !!!!
The only way to escape this is to complete isolate and go your own way!!!!!
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[–]iwant2liveinpeace18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
well the worst part is yet to come they are going to tax single high networth MGTOW guys and give it to single moms .
[–]user_miki56 points57 points58 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This was the original sin of men from the start.We allow women to define masculinity and we abide by their rules and definitions,awarding us points for good behavior like dogs when they get a bone.
Who are you to tell me ..what I am and what I should think or feel.
[–]Scorpiontail28 points29 points30 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Excellent! Image saved on my hard drive. THANKS!
[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's powerful isn't it. Quite inspiring.
[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Imagine men defining what it means to be a woman. We can talk about what we dislike but we can't change nature by saying something is true.
[–][deleted] 16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
When women describe a "real masculine man" they usually describe a white knight pussy
[–]Bronx_the_boogie5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Are they describing the white knights? I think it's the other way around, and it's the white knights conforming to the idea of what they think a woman really wants.
They describe a white knight pussy while never actually wanting a white knight pussy. They want a guy that somehow is that and a dominant confident alpha as well. About as realistic as me wanting a sane and logical woman
[–]Zombocom191114 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Their definitions are self-serving, not for your benefit
[–]thelookoutbelow5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They are parasites, not symbiotes. That distinction is key
[–]Uniqueinsult11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Damn fucking right
[–]LosSoloLobos8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I love men empowerment
[–][deleted]-2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Only the weak and resentful need to be "empowered".
[–]jai_prabhat_bohidar4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
yes we have been oppressed by our own mindset...but now we rise..slowly but steadily
[–]JohnWicksSpentBrass2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah.... Am I "weak and resentful" because I find this inspiring?
Was I "weak and resentful" because I needed a drill sergeant to yell at me and motivate me to become the kick ass motherfucker I am now?
Sometimes..... in this fucked up world..... we need to be reminded exactly who we are.... that we are the lone wolf warriors who needn't always depend on approval or the dysfunctional society we live in.
Maybe you and I disagree on the definition of empowerment, and if that is the case, then I respectfully give you the definition as I understand it without apologies.
Empowerment is reminding oneself of the power one always possessed and furthermore encourages oneself to grow that power.
I understand that some think because the word is tossed around so much, that it has become synonymous with delusions of grandeur. (I.E. "oh yeah I'm a slut and fucking loads of men and using them is soooooo empowering, Gurrrrl!!!")
[–]Dmapguy6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Also, don't let other men define it either.
[–]wolfoftheworld3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed 100%! Even some men will try and shoot you down for what they believe is masculinity. Screw them if they do. They should encourage a brother, not simp him down.
[–]jai_prabhat_bohidar1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
its different between men ...we are men ..we dont try to exploit our fellow mates..........its like a father son relation. we learn from other "men"
[–]fyberoptyk1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Too late, shits all over this thread
[–]Dmapguy0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I guess. I was referring to those who define themselves externally and want to drag us back with them.
And it seems like you're one of them.
[–]javerthugo4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But (name of Male Feminist (tm) says masculinity is toxic!
Response: Again it's not for women to define.
[–]Tacarmato6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Masculinity is defined by nature.
[–]hashtagswagfag6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Masculinity isn’t for ANYONE to define. If you’re a man, behaving how you do is masculine as long as it just follows basic human decency.
[–]HNutz6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Funny how it's okay for women to tell us what makes someone "a real man" but guys could NEVER try and define what makes a person "a real woman".
[–]LeoKasumi1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This
[–]staticrain24 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
some real MGTOW content here
[–]battyryder2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm posting this image on Facebook, pray for me.
[–]destination-venus2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
From evolutionary perspective that's exactly what women do though. Remember, it's the female that picks the partner, not the other way around, so women are imposing selection pressures on men and so shape men's behavior in that way.
[–]Banned_For_Opinion2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The real meme is the only type of guy women want to fuck is the "toxic" male.
[–]Capt_Smashnballs1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Why the fuck is this incel haven showing up on my feed
[–]puppichow1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Cuz youre an incel?
[–]Pofus2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
........
[–]olddrugs2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
“I need a 6’+ savage who will choke me in bed who I can call daddy and shows no emotional weakness and also a nurturing thoughtful man who will take the lead on raising our children and want to completely support me emotionally and financially”
[–]BlackWinterShinigami0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
So true. I could never understand why women think they can tell ANY MAN, "A REAL MAN THIS, A REAL MAN THAT." Start checking these women who say that by telling them YOU'RE NOT A MAN, YOU'VE NEVER BEEN A MAN, AND NEVER WILL BE A MAN, SO YOU DON'T QUALIFY TO TELL ANY MAN WHAT A REAL MAN IS. Just like us men don't qualify to tell a women what a REAL WOMAN is.
What they're really saying is "MY IDEA OF A REAL MAN...IS TO DO EVERYTHING I SAY, WITHOUT QUESTION."
Worse case, hit her ass with a Spartan kick to the gut while screaming THIS IS MANHOOD!!!! Kidding don't hit unless self-defense
[–]Beerbeer0071 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with the quote, but PLEASE stop using Spartan warriors as referencial framework, as they had the strongest eugenics & matriarchal form of organized gynocentrism: males were the most disposable utility to Patrician females, just like during the posterior Roman Empire. There's enough material in the forums on specific examples in this regard.
[–]DCfueledbyPopeyes1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Very true. I had a woman call me feminine because I am completely open about how I am feeling at any given time?
[–]egalvano71 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Preach it brother!! 🙌💪
[–]PhoenixRising-MGTOW1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women love toxic masculinity, that’s why women try their best to act toxically masculine.
[–]red_matrix1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What’s even more pathetic is that lots of soy boys are bending over backwards for women and will even allow women to define “masculinity” for them.
[–]thelookoutbelow1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It is for nature to define. It does so through famine, drought, carnivores that wanna eat you, and through wars.
All our good manners were evolved to soften us back up when it came time to handle our delicate newborn sons. Those manners were co-opted by these skanks and are now being used against us. Time to trim back
[–]Darth_Horseman1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Toxic masculinity is just every male behavior that don't follow their stupid rules
[–]Mikael_Snake1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No cock no opinion
[–]Celtero1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I feel like the spartan is counter-intuitive. Should show a guy painting or some bullshit...
...Unless the point is that women don't want masculinity to be a blood-spilling spartan.
[–]PokerFace11881 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Come on people upvote this post! This should be the top post here on this MGTOW.
[–]theAxelNoid0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But it is for... SPARTA!
[–]Warframe1260 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Men aren’t good at it
[–]SuicidalTendencies190 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They do though.
[–]LookinCoolJok3r0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
r/justneckbeardthings
[–]MrToastedPyjamas0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yet men can't define what feminity is
[–]Zarok0010 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Mgtow delivering the cringe as usual
[–]Canisluous15580 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not only can a woman not define masculinity, but she cannot live as a man by her own standards.
[–]child_of_amorphous0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
haha look at how MANLY i am girls with their COOTIES can STAY AWAY from my MANLINESS
please im desperately lonely and leaning into toxic subreddits as a bad coping mechanism that will never actually accomplish anything other than entrenching my current problems and dismissing them as part of the women's fault, disregarding the autonomy of half the population on the planet and insisting that they must stick to a 'social contract' that i have the authority to arbitrarily enforce
[–]catf000d0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks spartan that used to eat their sons flesh as punishment not toxic at all
[–]SirGuileSir-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah - if we can't tell a young kid with a penis that "ID's as a girl" that he's not feminine, the females DAMNED sure don't get to tell any male that he's not masculine, EVEN IF IT HAS TITS.
[–]PoorlyRestrainedFart-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Cringe lord shit right here.
[–]Throwseph120809-2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah. It's for them to feel tingles and get wet over.
[+]Hobo_Helper_hot-20 points-19 points-18 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
I'm a man. I can define masculinity right?
This ain't it.
[–]f4t4l1st1k18 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes you can brother. You can define masculinity for yourself and interpret the world around you based on your definition of it.
[–]NietzscheExplosion7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lets paraphrase for him:
Eat more soy.
[–]Throwseph12080914 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
What. Not putting up with women's bullshit? Recognizing when they have broken the age old social contract between males and females while institutionalizing rampant female privilege and male discrimination at a societal level, and decided we're not going to play along anymore?
Tell me sir. How do you define masculinity? Let's have it.
[–]IdahoSkier-5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
when they have broken the age old social contract between males and females
What "social contract" is that?
[–]Throwseph12080911 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The one that has existed between men and women since the beginning of our species? Namely that males and females work cooperatively together to stave off starvation and discomfort while providing something that the other can not and that is equally valuable to the survival of themselves and their offspring.
[–]IdahoSkier-5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah....what the fuck does that have to do with "defining masculinity"...?
[–]Throwseph12080910 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Traditional masculinity is currently being demonized by society according to a female centric agenda. We reject those attempts as a community. Why is that so hard to understand?
[–]IdahoSkier0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
....okay....Still wondering what the "social contract" is that you refuse to define.
You are just using ambiguous phrases like "providing something the other can not" without actually answering anything.
[+]Hobo_Helper_hot-6 points-5 points-4 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Lol not pretending you have anything to do with Spartans just because you have a cock for one. The fuck is that shit?
[–]Throwseph1208098 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Do you even understand how memes work?
[–]Hobo_Helper_hot-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Never seen the muscular shirtless guy meme before you'll have to forgive me.
[–]Throwseph1208097 points8 points9 points 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
Let me help you. Men define what masculinity is. Not women. Spartans are considered archetypal of traditional masculinity.. as defined by men.
Ergo, don't be afraid to say that you like and or aspire to traditionally defined masculinity AS A MAN. Instead of kowtowing and being shamed into accepting and conforming to modern attempts to demonize traditional masculinity AS DEFINED BY WOMEN.
Get it now?
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[–]Throwseph1208092 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
don't waste your time trying to explain anything to him. Idiots like this are only here to endlessly argue without being able to support anything they say.
Yeah, but I'm better equipped with reasons for my views, and it's fun to watch their inflated self-righteous egos wither away under the blinding ferocity of the smackdown I dispense.
And besides. I don't do it to change their minds. I do it to change the minds of others who might be confused 'like' them, who will see their own absurdity and foolishness laid bare like a mirror while watching their idiological clone get taken down from the sidelines. People's minds DO get changed by better arguments. Just rarely ever the person you are actually arguing with.
[–]Hobo_Helper_hot0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol you got me all wrong pal, I just come here to be a sarcastic asshole to perma-virgins....I mean incels. Although analingus is pretty fun.
I got my own definition of masculinity and it certainly isn't crying about being picked on by girls and fetishising brawny men.
[–]Hobo_Helper_hot1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So that's how memes work then?
By your own words you have demonstrated that you believe the inclusion of the image of a Spartan in the meme is indicative that OP, and members of this sub by extension, are under the false impression that we are literally equated to Spartans.
This is clearly absurd, as by definition memes are never meant to be taken literally, and instead meant to be interpreted as jokes or metaphors that are representative of a larger issue, theme, trope, truism, or concept.
I merely explained the concept that the meme is meant to convey. Now do you understand ?
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