An example: Why it's always good to have proof

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November 6, 2017
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I noticed a title in a particular subreddit which is pro women. It's a question asked by a female along the lines of "how to tell my friend (girl) wasn't sexually assaulted?"

TLDR her friend Jane hooks up with her supervisor John, who has a wife and is pregnant. Jane has a boyfriend.

OP explains how after the sexual encounter Jane comes and tells it was consenual, how attracted they were to each other and basically, that it was good.

Her boyfriend finds out (or Jane tells him) and he can't trust her again. After this, Jane comes to OP and switches the story saying she didn't really want to do it and she was raped/sexually assaulted. OP finds out she called the sexual assaulted hotline and is going to report rape. OP says this is not the case and she wants to stop Jane from doing this. She also wants to let John know because it what's happening is not right, even if OP things John is a creep for cheating on his pregnant wife. She's come asking for advise on what to do.

A little surprisingly alot of people are encouraging to tell him right now in order for him to lawyer up and get ready for the situation, to save the the job, marriage and his dignity. People mention that justice system is unfair on men in these situations so he needs to be ready.

People are aware of the law with regard to these situations, which is good. Maybe some of the posts are from lurkers/members here.

Bottom line to take away from this, it's quite scary in real life how a woman can change the script according to the situation.

Try not to bang women at your work place (don't shit where you eat). It makes things complicated, your career and source of income is on the line. This may actually affect future job opportunities even if things are taken care of "within the office".

Always get proof afterwards (a text, a recording showing its consensual.

I hope I'm not breaking any rules and if j am I understand if this post gets taken down. The gist of this whole post is - don't shit where you eat, if you do, have proof.


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Title An example: Why it's always good to have proof
Author SoulRedemption
Upvotes 110
Comments 17
Date 06 November 2017 03:29 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit TheRedPill
Link https://theredarchive.com/post/46974
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/7b5txc/an_example_why_its_always_good_to_have_proof/
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[–]BewareTheOldMan79 points80 points  (7 children) | Copy

Women who do this "consensual sex/rape-story switching" ruin credibility for TRUE rape victims who have to deal with doubt and backlash for reporting actual assault.

It's hard to believe some women can be so selfish and conniving to cover up a situational drama they created in the first place. Even worse - to do so at the expense of other female victims.

It's why women get doubt, humility, and personal attacks in rape cases.

Women should really be "hard-checking" each other - but they won't.

[–]420KUSHBUSH24 points25 points  (0 children) | Copy

With the whole #metoo thing too

Many women actually need consolation and help yet there's women running around like headless chickens saying they were abused when in reality it was regret and they can't handle the decisions they made

It is purely evil, childish, and selfish, ruining the attention needed to cater to actual victims

Honestly if found, any woman who does that deserves the same sentence for if the man did do it, but that won't happen because, you know, thats not the world we live in

[–]curiouswanderer22 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Agreed. This is the problem with feminism. I love women, and yet feminism does a very good job in creating hatred, bitterness, and distrust toward good women by giving a speaking voice to the losers/liars/psychos amongst their gender. Feminism works against the best interests of real rape victims, and genuinely good women, by trivializing the shit out of real issues ("every woman is a rape victim from microaggression") until we become desensitized and skeptical to real issues, such as genuine cases of rape.

[–]PsyMonk-0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

Women have literally NO honor whatsoever. They're evil creatures...

[–]TRP_Only 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

They don't deal with any backlash if all the guys, guilty or not, are skull drug through the dirt.

[–]BewareTheOldMan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

A recent change that is slow but ongoing is that women are now being punished with jail time for false accusations. It's not consistent across the board, but it's slow burn as women are realizing that lying to law enforcement and court officials will be met with some form of punishment.

Interestingly, the focus of this new development is not because men are suffering; it's because a false accusation is a huge waste of law enforcement and court resources. It expends investigation man-hours and taxpayer money that is better spent elsewhere and in support of actual victims.

[–]jackandjill220 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy

I have a situation where I need proof with a girl but it wasn't sexual. I just came from the courthouse filing papers today.

[–]l00000000 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy

The post was obviously takendown by twox but here is the google cache (is there a way to mirror this on the red pill mirror page after it's taken down on reddit?). It is a scary but insightful read.

Background: I’m on a program in a foreign country. My roommate, we’ll call her A, is one of the most narcissistic people I’ve ever met. She talks constantly about herself and her feelings, and every thought she’s ever had. I’ve known her for two months, and the only question she’s ever asked me was 7 weeks ago. She’s very insecure, in a lowkey way, and is constantly seeking male validation and going out of her way to get it. For the last 2 months, she’s been trying as hard as she can to talk and get close to one of our program supervisors (we’ll call him, B) every opportunity she gets. Ex: texts him all the time, always finds a way to be close to him during group events, talks constantly about how sexy he is, etc.

key points: he has a child and a wife who’s six months pregnant. She has a boyfriend.

I’ll try to make this as succinct as possible. A couple of nights ago, A and B were being extra flirty. Everyone from the program went out to a bar and the two of them were talking and dancing on each other the entire night. She leaves the bar with B. She asks me and our other roommate, C, if we’re in the room and we say yes. She comes in later and tells us for an hour about how much time her and B spent together and how they said they were attracted to each other and would hook up under different circumstances. Then she goes outside and calls her boyfriend. I tell C that I wouldn’t be surprised if she told us in the morning that her and B had actually hooked up. In the morning, she wakes us up and tells us that things actually did get physical with B. She says VERBATIM that it was “obviously totally consensual”. Every girl on the trip thinks B is hot and talks about hooking up with him. In my opinion, I think A just wanted to be the girl who actually did it. When we didn’t give her the reaction she was expecting (and when her boyfriend said he didn’t think he could get past this and trust her again), her story starts to change. She starts saying that she feels like he took advantage of the fact that she was a “normal, mature person”. And then she goes so far as to call it sexual assault. The next day she skips our mandatory program activity for “mental health reasons” and calls a sexual assault hotline... she says that she thinks she can handle seeing B again and is already thinking about what to say to him. She then tells me that they performed oral sex/mutual masturbation on each other and that she didn’t really want to do it, but she did it anyways. She said there were times in college when she didn’t feel like hooking up with someone but did it anyways and then felt shitty the next day, but this is the shittiest she’s ever felt. (I believe that feeling is called regret). She says that she knows now that this was sexual assault and doesn’t blame herself for anything and that this has nothing to do with his wife and kids...

Let me make it clear that I am a woman, I have known several ACTUAL abuse victims and A’s behavior has been totally atypical. I will always be the first person to be on the woman’s side, but this is not the case here. She just said that she’s going to report him. Yes, this guy is clearly a creep for cheating on his wife, but he’s not a rapist. I want to know what I should say to stop her from taking this any farther.

[–]1empatheticapathetic5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy

Surprised women of even this skepticism is posting on twox.

[–]2Dmva10013 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy

Use snapchat only, use a fake name, and always go to her place. Sex only, no going out, or meeting friends or roomattes. Never talk to police.

False accusations will go nowhere.

If you think using a fake name and being dishonest isn't in your best interest here, get some vaseline and some pliers because the moralizing-coated, extended release blue pill capsule is very far up your ass.

[–]Bafa943 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy

Apart from going to her place, this is some really terrible advice and I can only hope none of the rookies that upvoted this actually follow it and get caught in a false claim.

Use snapchat only

Unless you're saving messages on snapchat, then there is no proof of any correspondence and arrangements made between you two. That combined with your suggestion of not going out means she can easily claim you're a stranger. What if she says you knocked on her door, she answer, and you forced your way in and raped her? You can't prove you two knew each other and had an arrangement. Game over for the guy right there. And if you are saving messages, why not just use kik messenger and save yourself the hassle?

Sex only,

Sex only, and that's when she's going to feel used, and regret it. Which is exactly what causes false claims after consensual sex in the first place. What you're suggesting here isn't preventative; it's not even useless. It's causative!

Here's a better idea. You have a one night stand, sleep over, and go out for breakfast with her the morning after if you live in an urban area. Always go out the morning after with her if it's an option. And you're not doing that for her. You're doing it for you. Why? A false allegation can't go anywhere if you two are seen together the morning after it supposedly happened, whether that be eyewitness or (more importantly) CCTV/surveilance footage. She's less likely to feel like a slut and try to claim it was rape to deflect that feeling, if you don't treat her like a slut. What do you gain by doing that? Nothing. In the end, it can only hurt you.

no going out, or meeting friends or roomattes.

Not going out and completely isolating your interactions with her means no eye witnesses seeing you two together looking like a normal couple out on a date. It once again means no CCTV footage of you two that could support it all being consensual. In the event of a false claim you'd have created a situation for yourself where it's purely your word vs hers, and i'm pretty we all know how that's going to turn out. Game over for the guy. The last false claim I read about, CCTV footage of the girl flirting with him is what saved him. Here is the case.

use a fake name

Giving her a fake name only makes you look a hell of a lot more guilty if the worst happens. You're basically suggesting behaving like a guilty person would if they were trying to slip away. You'd be fucked when they catch up to you, and have nothing to support your story, because, when combined with the rest of your 'advice' you'd have no record of communication, no one has seen you two interacting normally, and there would be no CCTV footage of any such interaction. Just the word of a guy with a fake name vs the word of a crying girl in the #metoo era. You'd basically be tying your own noose.

Never talk to police.

Instead of putting yourself in a sitation where you're hiding with a fake name and dodging cops like a guilty person, you could be sensible and be in a position where you don't have to fear them, like any other innocent person.

I'm not sure of the legal status of recording wherever you're from, but look it up and if it's an option also voice record whatever you can. Combine this and everything I told you and you'll never have anything to worry about.

Wow, this comment turned out long. Do yourself a favour, read it all and consider rethinking some of your methodology. Good luck.

[–]binarynightmare10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy

My father worked for 3 decades in the local prosecutor's office. The job has made him a bit untrusting of other people, and his advice to my brothers and i is to always leave a digital trail of consent / flirtation in the event that you end up banging a whackadoo.

He says he has personally seen text trails save men from thousands of dollars in legal fees and years in prison, and that the ' i was sexually assaulted ' card is unfortunately common for some women to use as a revenge or sympathy tool.

[–]newName5434561 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy

Her boyfriend finds out (or Jane tells him) and he can't trust her again.

If he stays, he deserves whatever hell he'll be going through.

[–]Shukakun0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy

Ugh. I know this is a thing that does happen regularly, so not caring about the risk of her falsely accusing you is dumb, I know. But I can't help but compare this to the whole affirmative consent thing. If you're making sure to acquire clear verbal consent from women before you kiss them, you've completely fallen into the ridiculous feminist frame, you're playing to their tune. I feel like by making sure to acquire irrefutable proof (some people suggest pocket recording devices every time you have sex for example), wouldn't you be doing the same thing?

There are enough women living in this "The genders are at full-out war, let's be paranoid and hateful"-reality. I don't really want to join them. And if that makes me a naive man who will end up in prison because of a false rape accusation eventually, then...well, you only live once, as the kids say.

[–]LordThunderbolt2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy

Just so you know, there are no condoms in prison. Pepper your angus.

[–]1empatheticapathetic1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy

I don't know what point you're trying to make. I don't think you do either.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy

"i'd rather goto prison for false rape allegation than take skeptical pre-cautions about a woman i fucked"



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