Self improvement is not a requirement

strongandhappy · 2018-08-15T00:27:30+00:00

Totally agree. I do encourage people to improve if they're unhappy and they're coming here for advice, but that's just advice, not some moral imperative or grand solution. Everyone's going to need something different at different times. Sometimes you gotta kick ass to feel good, sometimes you gotta take it easy, only you know what works for you.

(Seriously don't want to be a word nazi but check your use of condone, I think you meant condemn. Cheers).

MGTOW-Balance · 2018-08-15T00:17:45+00:00

like i say, i don't care what a man does or doesn't do; i respect him as a man

MGTOW Command II -- Thou Shalt Tread Thine Own Path

MGTOW Command IV -- Thou Shalt Honor Maleness And Masculinity

2018-08-15T00:55:14+00:00

I am perfectly ok with a mgtow being lazy fat slob , as long as they pay their own bills, and the consequences of their own actions.

DJDickJob · 2018-08-15T02:56:40+00:00

"Lift bro. Hit the gym bro."

I don't feel like lifting weights, and if I did I'd just buy my own.

"Take care of your health bro. Save up a lot of money and invest in the stock market bro."

No, I don't give a shit about either of those things.

"Spend time in nature."

Fuck that, I'm staying inside and looking at pictures of nature on the internet.

wordsfordestruction · 2018-08-15T00:52:51+00:00

Totally true. Normally I am an overweight fat fuck who enjoys sleeping late and video games. What motivates me to get in shape is the necessity for it like when I know I'm going to travel (real travel i.e. hiking through mountains, not cruise liners). It is not to look good or even to live long but it serves as a utility when I know I'll be in South America or Asia, walking town to town for several months. When I'm back in America, I return to lounging for a year, ordering pizzas. Self-improvement for the sake of it is a waste of time. I have nothing to prove to anyone any longer. Most importantly, myself. I agree with you 100%!

neoreeves · 2018-08-15T01:06:32+00:00

I totally agree with you, every man has his own way. Just because we share something similar (being a MGTOW) doesn't mean we have the same path.

Avenged7fo · 2018-08-15T10:07:20+00:00

IMO, "self-improvement" is subjective. What might be a step of self improvement for Person A might be a waste of time for Person B. Case in point: going to the gym. Majority seems to think that going to the gym is a step of self-improvement (in which I agree to an extent). But with that being said, one of the most accomplished men I know is a fat fuck who has never held a gym equipment in his life yet people still respect him for his accolades

Mgtow_Truck · 2018-08-15T00:38:38+00:00

Yeah I mean do what you want, but it’s hard for me to understand why you wouldn’t do things that are beneficial to you. Or maybe it’s the “should” that bother you, I understand. But I think people use it just as a way to put an emphasis on what they say, it’s like when you use “you don’t wanna” do this or that that’s not an order that just accentuate what the man says.

lorem6300118 · 2018-08-15T00:42:06+00:00

IME, doing nearly everything you listed (eating right, exercising, sobriety) happened naturally, unconsciously, and rapidly shortly after becoming mgtow.

All that energy I wasted in trying to win in a rigged system soon went to self improvement.

Perhaps it is a chicken and egg thing, mgtow and self improvement.

13Heathens · 2018-08-15T04:01:37+00:00

Do what you want, as long as it doesn't affect others negatively.

Self-improvement is great but you need to know why you are doing what you do. This is much easier said than done as most people suck at introspection.

I have seen many people "self-improve" and only to get consumed by their ego and become massive dicks to others.

guccivibes · 2018-08-15T06:18:25+00:00

mgtow and self improvement is like peanut butter and jelly!

MgtowisDaWey · 2018-08-15T00:50:45+00:00

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durkadurkamhdjihad · 2018-08-15T12:59:09+00:00

Your post lacks coherency. You're right in that it could be self-righteous to tell people to better themselves. But that is different from saying that a person who does better themselves will be happier.

A fulfilled life, by definition, is one that is constantly asking/answering the question, "How can I better myself." The specific "demands" are chosen by the MGTOW, not enforced upon him by society. Someone who has given up on their dreams and claims they are happy either lacked a clear vision of that dream, lacked the dream altogether, or is refusing to face certain ugly truths about themselves (real limitations physical or other, lack of resiliency, etc.). These so-called truths are often not hard and fast; they can be overcome. Someone who says they are happy eating unhealthy food and being couch potatoes usually, like 99 times out of 100, ignores the very fact that they would probably be much, much happier if they didn't have all the random pains, did have more energy to do the things they liked, aged more gracefully, and a bunch of other positive effects.

I won't tell you to exercise and avoid junk food, but I will say that you'll be happier if you did. You'll also be happier if you can face any and all failures with your chin held high, and as far as I know the only way to reach that level is experience. Show me anyone who is "lazy, not working out, eating unhealthy, working a shit job, getting drunk/high, giving up on dreams", as you said above, AND happy, and I'll show you someone who hasn't really given his situation any thought whatsoever.

owninfools007 · 2018-08-15T03:20:48+00:00

Be a better version of yourself - TRP

happyhumblehermit · 2018-08-16T14:54:18+00:00

Distractions don't bring fulfillment, but whatever floats your boat, go your own way.

ransay3277 · 2018-08-15T01:53:04+00:00

Self improvement is not a requirement. Rather it is a part of every truly happy man.

MgtowisDaWey · 2018-08-15T12:58:47+00:00

Your post lacks coherency. You're right in that it could be self-righteous to tell people to better themselves. But that is different from saying that a person who does better themselves will be happier.

A fulfilled life, by definition, is one that is constantly asking/answering the question, "How can I better myself." The specific "demands" are chosen by the MGTOW, not enforced upon him by society. Someone who has given up on their dreams and claims they are happy either lacked a clear vision of that dream, lacked the dream altogether, or is refusing to face certain ugly truths about themselves (real limitations physical or other, lack of resiliency, etc.). These so-called truths are often not hard and fast; they can be overcome. Someone who says they are happy eating unhealthy food and being couch potatoes usually, like 99 times out of 100, ignores the very fact that they would probably be much, much happier if they didn't have all the random pains, did have more energy to do the things they liked, aged more gracefully, and a bunch of other positive effects.

I won't tell you to exercise and avoid junk food, but I will say that you'll be happier if you did. You'll also be happier if you can face any and all failures with your chin held high, and as far as I know the only way to reach that level is experience. Show me anyone who is "lazy, not working out, eating unhealthy, working a shit job, getting drunk/high, giving up on dreams", as you said above, AND happy, and I'll show you someone who hasn't really given his situation any thought whatsoever.

LFOD42 · 2018-08-15T02:13:09+00:00

Without self-improvement, mgtow is just a philosophy you hide behind to shelter your ego from your own lack of desireability. There's no victory in rejecting women you could never score anyway.

Title	Self improvement is not a requirement
Author	MgtowisDaWey
Upvotes	25
Comments	41
Date	August 15, 2018 12:05 AM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
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