Honest Question for MGTOW

Ohboohoolittlegirl · 2018-07-24T11:06:56+00:00

End game: Enjoying my life, my resources and my peace of mind till I die, without a nagging, leeching woman at my side that only makes drama of what could be tranquility

lunatictothecore · 2018-07-24T11:14:12+00:00

I don't like to talk about end games, since life always changes and so the purposes of life. My current purpose is to be my own best friend, and to give myself all the attention and love I haven't got from other people. Especially the woman I have been in a relationship with. I like to become a better version of myself, without seeking validation by others, especially women.

DangZagnut · 2018-07-24T11:11:06+00:00

There's no end game in life, MGTOW has noting to do with end games. At best it's living a life happy as you choose to define it, success as you prefer to pursue it, and without misery and being thrown off your path as you want it.

To me, life is an open world video game. Play by the rules, or don't. Enjoy it however you want. It's your quarter, and most of your limitations are what you place on yourself.

georgesoyros · 2018-07-24T11:43:32+00:00

My view: Life on earth is only temporary and a time for people to make a choice for or against God, or don't make a choice at all. It could be ment to be great and fun, but if you think people in general are entitled to it, you're setting yourself up for trouble. At least that's what I've found out. Now I see life as learning lessons and make the best of it, untill I'm gone.

Having said that, if you're not into the concept of God, I think life is all about finding a goal (or multiple goals) so you won't become a steerless ship. (This also applies to people who believe in God.) That goal can be anything, but I think it needs to be something you want to get up for each and every day. With the right goal, one doesn't need motivation or discipline. Having said that, if your goal is to sleep all day, than that's a goal too.

Keep in mind though that it could be difficult to spend your time and energy on a goal each and every day. I've realized that a man also needs to have something to enjoy himself with, without having to think. Meaning: a hobby (or more hobbies). This could be anything of course.

That's all I know. Whatever you do, don't try to chase happiness is my advice. 'Being happy' is the latest invention from specific people to make you feel miserable. The same applies to the lie of chasing money because you need to be rich to really live life to the fullest.

Money isn't a bad thing, but slaving away only for the money is killing your soul. You need to know why you're making money. Having said that, no one is entitled to that Lamborghini. Spend that money on things you really enjoy and be stoic/realistic with it.

People often enjoy experiences more than materials. You can also combine it: for example spend money on your car and go to meetings once in a while. Or save up for a bike and travel across the country.

Learn to be alone and take lessons from stoicism.

About marriage and raising a perfect family as 'the ultimate goal'; I think a lot of men think they need to be with a woman to be really a member of society. Also, lots of them go from their mother to a wife. That's their choice of course, but I rather remain free.

awoloozlefinch · 2018-07-24T11:08:56+00:00

The end game is do whatever the hell I want with nothing like a wife, alimony, or child support keeping me from doing so. I find purpose in my hobbies and in my work, both of which make others happy.

beware_the_syllogism · 2018-07-24T11:41:29+00:00

I refuse to sacrifice my quality of life for validation from people, especially women.

My time is valuable and I choose how I spend it.

While I enjoy and look forward to collaboration I usually refuse to compromise.

I value my freedom.

I am feral as a coworker put it. I look forward to a simple life. Very hard to do with people in general, almost impossible with a woman.

I put me first.

There is no end game, I enjoy life, let it flow through me, and am at peace.

khanrhyd · 2018-07-24T15:16:32+00:00

The Big Lie is that we exist solely to pass on our genes to the next generation and then fund it until maturity.

In actuality, we are individuals with unique needs and goals. You need to find what gives your life meaning for yourself instead of just falling into line and being a good little cog. If you sit down and really think about it, and the absolute best thing you can imagine for yourself is being a sperm donor and ATM, then you do you. I'm certain that more than a few men will agree that it's a wonderful life. Others who have shed the illusions and have eschewed the social programming that locks us into servitude have decided to seek out our own path and destinies.

What is the end game?

It's whatever you want it to be. Traveling the world and building up your life experiences... Going back to school to pursue what drives you... Stepping away from society entirely to focus on developing your spirituality or seeking truth in nature or religion...

It's all up to you. Step 1: Walk away from female disempowerment and restore your power to yourself. Step 2: Walk away from the political disempowerment. Step 3: Walk away from financial disempowerment. Once you have taken control of those facets of your life, then you are truly a free man. And then that's where your life really begins. Enjoy.

NietzscheExplosion · 2018-07-24T12:40:04+00:00

Surrogate is cheaper

undeadkid666 · 2018-07-24T13:04:28+00:00

Invent new technologies and explore the universe

mugenowns · 2018-07-24T17:34:08+00:00

Let me take a crack at this.

I want you to pretend that you're dating/married to someone. She's super attractive to you, whatever your type is that's her. She wants sex just the same as you do, not only frequency, but however you like it. If you like kinky stuff she's down, or if you want slow and romantic she loves that too. She never denies you. It's literally a dream come true. Also add on that this girl let's you be in charge of everything, she's not bugging you to take vacations you can't afford, or buy an unnecessarily large house so she can show off to her Facebook friends how much she has. She's tight with money, loyal, and listens well. Lastly this unicorn support yours hobbies;if you're interested in doing something she leaves you alone to do. She never complains or begs for attention or anything like that. You're free to do whatever you want and she's ready for you when you come home.

Now the important part, what does your day with this woman consist of? Sure, maybe at first all you want to do is screw all day. But most of us humans will eventually settle into a routine. Even guys with high sex drives only want it about 3 times a day on average. What else do you do with your time? Where do the hours of your day go when you're not with your imaginary wife? What do you save your money for if you're not killing your body with overtime trying to keep her happy? THAT, my friend, is the end goal. So much of our culture is dedicated to relationships people neglect to develope themselves. The end goal, is all the things you want if you didn't chase after wmen trying to get laid, or didn't have to spend time with her every second you're not at work.

MGTOW is the same because you have all the sex you want. Now so what you will with they rest of your time.

2018-07-24T11:17:33+00:00

Meh. Do what I want.

padraigmarcus · 2018-07-24T11:32:25+00:00

I agree with others who have already commented. It's not about an "end game". It's about making decisions today to avoid tons of misery and regret later. There may be some bitterness and/or rage at first upon realizing all the things we know to be true about the world. However, you are MGTOW when you easily get over that anger and are able to let go. You are MGTOW when you realize your pursuit of happiness doesn't give a shit what society tells you to pursue.

Qarr · 2018-07-24T12:05:46+00:00

End game: me living a minimal unnecessary suffering life.

J_St0rm · 2018-07-24T12:38:53+00:00

End game. Whatever you want. Going your one way.

silive · 2018-07-24T12:42:59+00:00

My end game is to enjoy life and NEVER allow other people to dictate what's good for me. Wife (i.e. the State-approved slaver) and kids to whom I have no legal rights, just the obligations under the threat of prison, are definitely not good for me. I do not willingly participate in scams and especially when they're government-run and enforced. So yes, always enjoying my freedom and financial independence, my work, my hobbies and my friends are the worthy goals, IMHO. What else could I ask for?

Solstus22 · 2018-07-24T13:10:39+00:00

The endgame for MGTOW is whatever you want it to be. The best part of it is its one's own decision to do what they like with their lives.

Afab67 · 2018-07-24T13:12:00+00:00

The end game is finding contentment. Reaching the place where I can say "if it never gets any better than this, I am okay".

NordHamsteri · 2018-07-24T13:30:58+00:00

The meaning of life is to survive and procreate. Nobody will survive but not everyone procreates.

UmbrellalikeWetness · 2018-07-24T13:57:33+00:00

It's a little like rage quitting... It's when you realize that everyone else is using aim-bots and cheating and you've been playing honestly and fuck this game if it's unwinnable because the rules aren't equal.

WolfgangBreitweit · 2018-07-24T15:01:44+00:00

The point in life is death. You are transforming energy into a different state with your presence. Until you are no more. In the meantime you can set some arbitrary goals for yourself and convince yourself that this is the meaning of life.

Mainem46 · 2018-07-24T14:59:04+00:00

I am a christian and this is what i follow ;

Ecclesiastes 2: 24 There is nothing better for a man, than that he should eat and drink, and that he should make his soul enjoy good in his labour. This also I saw, that it was from the hand of God.

BinaryNinja · 2018-07-24T15:55:08+00:00

The end game is death. Worry more about the journey.

red_dread_redemption · 2018-07-24T16:26:09+00:00

It's about self preservation. Giving enough fucks about yourself to know the game is rigged, and just opting not to play it.

ExactBrake · 2018-07-24T17:20:45+00:00

I sit down every 3 months and plan the next 3 months out. Where do I want to go, new hobbies to consider, books to read, etc. Then I just do that.

But long-term, I know I want to move out of my home state and go south, and buy a Jeep Wrangler. I've always wanted one but could never justify it (living on a farm requires a truck instead). That's really all I want out of life. And dogs, of course.

cypresstalker · 2018-07-24T17:44:58+00:00

There is no end game its not an MMO.

aecheyejay · 2018-07-24T18:04:06+00:00

I married young, early 20s, and we waited until things got more established to start a family. After my wife decided that marriage was not her thing anymore, I had a gun loaded and wanted to blow my brains out. All I wanted when I was younger was a wife and kids. I can't say for sure, but if I had kids, I don't know if I'd be here today. Even though not every marriage ends in divorce, the thought of a woman taking my son or daughter is enough for me to stay away from marriage or anything that will lead to marriage. Not all women will do it, but they are capable of doing it. I hate the thought of anyone having that power over me.

nihilismMattersTmro · 2018-07-24T19:46:34+00:00

simply put:

have as much fun as possible every day until it's time to die.

DreamBigLiveClassy · 2018-07-25T00:52:01+00:00

One of BP friends asked me: "who will take care of me as I am dying, if not kids and wife?" If I need anyone taking care of me, I am already dead.

TheOriginalIRuleMe · 2018-07-26T21:23:05+00:00

Adopt kids, or find a female surrogate if you want a "family". Otherwise, get a dog.

lnot · 2018-07-24T18:27:44+00:00

THERE IS NO END GAME. MGTOW is simply self preservation. If you want to roll the dice and get married and have kids, go for it. MGTOW is definitely not for everyone. It is a tough thing to go against basic instincts. Many end up completely miserable. If it's not for you, I would strongly suggest learning as much as you can about female nature, and being extremely careful.

flee_market · 2018-07-24T14:49:34+00:00

The end game is whatever you make it. Life is a sandbox, enjoy it.

ColemanV · 2018-07-24T13:11:52+00:00

OP - that've been a good question, it really made me think.

My opinion gonna be probably an unpopular one among the so called "alpha men" and the posers that always know everything better, but here it goes:

Following the MGTOW guidelines, doesn't mean that you never can have what you've wanted out of life, quite the opposite.

You can have everything BUT on your own terms.

Going your own way doesn't mean that you can't try to find a woman who can accept your priorities. It doesn't mean that you couldn't "educate" a woman on why you are the way you are and establish rules to live by.

You can live side by side, you can have kids if it seems said woman really gets what you're all about. And even if it doesn't work out at least you've had the benefit of entering a relationship with the wisdom of MGTOW, in a way "wide awake" unlike most men entering the relationship because they only think that'd be the right thing to do based on the pressure from society and conditioning.

Just sayin': there are women supporting MGTOW, women who also had the red pill and see how society is, and what expectations men face in society, while lately this so called third wave feminism constantly bashing on the whole gender and rules and perceptions are biased in favor of women.

It'll take you a long time to find the real deal, but it isn't impossible and MGTOW doesn't mean you MUST resort to occasional one-and-done type of deal for the rest of your life or that you'd need to become a hater of women.

It just means you don't have to put up with BS because a life-long conditioning and society tells you to.

EDIT: Lol, that didn't took long to get started with the downvotes. Apparently some people can't stomach or respect some men going their own way if it doesn't line up perfectly with their own concepts.

sir_wankalot_here · 2018-07-24T11:38:12+00:00

Muslims like these sorts of cucks.

rage quitting

Allah is a masculine God and he gets angry, that is why he gets stuff done. Jehovah used to be a masculine God, like Allah, then the Feminists cucked him, now an unman god.

Title	Honest Question for MGTOW
Author	Brighter_Lighter
Upvotes	35
Comments	45
Date	July 24, 2018 11:05 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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