Is branch swinging really such a terrible thing?

somuchluv2give · 2018-07-19T13:23:23+00:00

Hypergamy and branchswinging are completely and utterly destructive to male - female relationships. Why would any man ever invest any time money energy or resources into a woman if he knew she would just drop him and branchswing to someone better? Oh he wouldn’t, which is why u have mgtow, which is why marriage is in the Shitter at all time lows, which is why men are no longer committing, which is why nobody is happy and we have a free for all fuckfest with all women getting plowed by the top 20% chads until they hit the wall and then ask “where have all the good men gone?”. Hypergamy is SHAMEFUL. Women who branchswing should be shunned. A civilization cannot withstand the destructive force of unchecked female nature. The family has been destroyed. No families means no civilization.

Sol_Install · 2018-07-19T13:34:23+00:00

Here is the issue with monkey branching. Men invest. They invest emotionally, mentally, and financially. For instance you have men who have supported women when they were seriously injured or sick. Men who have helped women out with their own money and not a small amount either. They sacrifice for her. They get attached to her. They care for her as a person. They do what society tells them to do what is right. They support her. Care about her. Treat her as a human being. Buying gifts. Celebrating moments together. He cares about her and tries to make her happy. Some of these men work a lot harder, endure a lot more stress even against their own health for these women.

When women monkey branch, all that effort was for nothing. It is like going to work, putting in serious hours only to find out in the end you get nothing. And that's what men get. Nothing. The money you spent(that you had to EARN) was wasted. The gifts, the good moments, the "love" all meant nothing. Remember when you used to kiss? Now she's doing it with someone else. Remember having sex with her? Now someone else is doing it. And to make matters worse, women will stay with men who have little. They will defend abusive men, dead beat dads all because they get them hot and wet. Yet the hardworking man who treated her well, she throws away like it's nothing. And you see this often. Women divorcing men for stupid reasons and he is still forced to support her.

Men who women monkey branch to and from are not loved by women. They are being used because women think they can get more benefits from him than from her. I have been there. I was monkey branched to and from. You argue that they are looking for the best. This is wrong. They are not even doing their best in any given situation. They are dating men who they know are not the best for their future and even having children with these men. Why are they fucking other men yet expect men who they don't want to fuck to pay for so much? Why is this guy expected to work a lot more for the same thing someone else got for FREE?

TRP talks about Holding Frame. Remaining stoic in the face of opposition. Not letting a woman walk all over you. Being the Leader. Which isn't bad advice but the problem is the woman herself. You don't even need to do anything wrong. She just has to cross paths with a man that is superior to you. Or thinks that there is a man superior to you i.e. "she deserves the best." You can be making 80 grand a year, be a great father and husband and all she has to do is meet a man that is hotter than you or has a bigger dick, and you are fucked. She can meet men who make more money than you and that will be the end of your relationship. Now let's say you want to combat this. How do you even do that? You have to be the absolute best out there. Which no man is. And we see it now. Women thinking they deserve the best out there. And this usually boils down to money. And not for their children but for themselves to fail to sate their materialistic hunger.

Now what happens when they monkey branch and the new guy doesn't work out? They then try to go back. Not because they like you because they never did. They are simply leeching off a man like a parasite. The man is the one sacrificing not her. It is he who is expected to work. He is to pay off her debts and pay for her shit. She is using him the entire time. She loves his utility not him.

TL;DR She doesn't love him. She uses his love for HER as a means of exploitation for her benefit then discards him.

ThePlague · 2018-07-19T13:24:40+00:00

Of course they are following their nature. However, far too many people deny that this is their nature, and are shocked when it manifests itself. That is why it's a bad idea for a man to engage in marriage: she is given legal and financial resources to subsidize her hypergamous nature at the expense of the simp. Any man who is willing to accept such an arrangement, well, that's an odd choice, yet it is still considered the 'norm'.

Basically, it's a "girls will be girls" thing. Men are expected to control their natures, and suffer severe legal penalties when they don't. Women, on the other hand, are protected legally and to a large degree socially for pursuing their baser instincts. In fact, they can expect payment for it in the form of alimony and child support.

From a man's perspective, the mantra to remember is "She's not yours, it's just your turn". If you accept that, then the prospect of formalizing sexual relationships with an asymmetric legal contract, i.e. marriage, is patently absurd.

SerialMansplainer · 2018-07-19T13:31:25+00:00

Of course women are following their nature. That is why MGTOW find it in their best interests to not enter into a relationship or cohabitate with women. What is so difficult to understand here?

At the end of the day, women are still free to do whatever they want.

Ohboohoolittlegirl · 2018-07-19T13:25:28+00:00

What is the bad thing about it. For her; nothing, if you don't have a conscience.

For men, it's literally using someone for his resources, time and affection till the moment came you found a better solution. In many things, this is perfectly fine. I understand you first buy an old car, then the new one. However, you don't promise your old car that you will drive it forever, love it forever and respect it forever. Imagine how bad, disrespected and utterly humiliated men feel once a woman has moneybranched. It literally says: You aren't good enough, you were my temporary solution till I found better. Even worse, these men poured their heart and soul into this relationship. Dealt with endless amounts of fights, insults and nagging to get as far as they got, for the woman to just say: Well, too bad.. I found something better.

That's why it's disgusting.. Cause you are making 1 person do the best they fucking can, putting themselves aside for you, so you can be selfish when the time comes and then humiliate and destroy that persons ego and future plans.

somuchluv2give · 2018-07-19T13:14:59+00:00

Is this a joke?

Whitegamerinc_Twitch · 2018-07-19T13:14:38+00:00

How is the man not the best partner she can get if she ends up alone?

2018-07-19T13:16:04+00:00

fetching popcorn and watching you now gettin eaten alive here

ramfex21 · 2018-07-19T13:48:37+00:00

I think it’s because our societies have been indoctrinated to believe that monogamy and marriage are the highest virtues. When we know that it is simply not true. Women ARE hypergamous by nature. Therefore monogamy is really not a long term option. Perhaps if we had been educated to accept hypergamy instead of avoiding the issue, we would have no problem with women monkey branching. Because we would understand that it is what nature intended. I think that monogamy was pressed upon us by the churches and also by the governments because it suited their agendas. Also, we here know that a man being in a long term monogamous relationship is not healthy for him. He will wither away and in most cases end up being much less of a man than he could have been. And, if by chance a woman stays with you and does not cheat, it does not mean that she is not carrying out hypergamy in her mind and wishing for a higher status male. Also us men, when in relationships are always checking out other women and imagining them Riding our cocks. This tells me that monogamy is in no way a natural or healthy state.

DigitalScetis · 2018-07-19T14:56:13+00:00

Not this shit again.

Monkey branching is, yes, an evil and terrible thing for a woman to do. And you don't even have to take MGTOW's word on this score. It's the women themselves who are ashamed of it. That's why they make excuses for why they are leaving this one and jumping to the other one, to cover up the odiousness of hypergamy.

"It isn't Roger's layoff that I had to leave him. It's his attitude."

"This vice president of the bank I'm seeing has such a great personality. That's why I love him so."

"Chad just came back from working out, so I had to stop and make him a sandwich. Don't let his violent exterior and MMA championships fool you; what I like about him the most is his warmth and empathy."

Why would they make excuses for their monkey branching if they didn't know damn well that it's shameful?

By nature, human beings also like taking a dump. They are built and wired to enjoy alleviating themselves of feces. But if you are walking on a busy sidewalk, and you feel a dump coming on, do you drop your pants and squat down right then and there, and yell "look at the big turd I just laid"?

Farting is natural, and it's healthy, and it's a natural fact. But what kind of a person goes around taking credit for the farts in the room, boasting of his flatulative tendencies? Would you praise such a man? Or would you think this is the sort of person unfit for polite society, and has ill manners?

Hypergamy is sexual incontinence, or the sexual version of taking a dump in the middle of the sidewalk. It is a shameful thing, because it denotes the person is not capable of human standards of life, only basal, animal ones.

And that is why women who find a guy with money will never say they love him for the money it is always "his personality" or "his sensitivity." That is why women who drop a man for a better looking man will never say it was about looks, but her last man's "jealous, controlling behavior" or "immaturity."

Does this help you see why hypergamy and branch swinging are terrible things that we ought not excuse? Because why should we excuse these acts of sexual incontinence, when nobody else does?

DarthSchadenfreude · 2018-07-19T15:12:56+00:00

Its a great system when you don't have a real civilization, and when the man can simply walk away at any time. It worked when life was brutish and short and women were incentivized to have "backup males" in case their current resource-providing male died.

Its not so great when its my wallet paying for it, either through divorce or welfare.

In a nutshell, women aspire to be freeriders and play the game of life on easy mode.

durkadurkamhdjihad · 2018-07-19T14:42:31+00:00

If we're going to accept branch swinging with open arms then we must also accept pumping and dumping. Not because it's fair, but because nature.

stoopididoit · 2018-07-19T15:33:40+00:00

And this is one of this sub's negatives. Here we have a question that allows for (and got I'd say) good explanations for why female nature is bad for civilization/society as we know it. But it's down-voted to oblivion so few will ever get to see/read it. Such a shame.

TXRudeboy · 2018-07-19T15:53:37+00:00

Is branch swinging terrible? I don’t know. I’m not a woman, I don’t know what it’s like to be one, I can only observe and come to a conclusion based on our common human experiences since I am not hard wired like a woman is.

I am a man. I know better than to allow my hard wired instincts control me. I guess I could answer your question if you asked if being a man who is hard wired and physically capable of impregnating multiple women each day should ever be monogamous or take no for an answer, since it’s just his hard wiring and instincts. I think going on pure instinct is not good, it’s not good for a man who lives in a society. But that’s just my opinion.

Luvmommy1 · 2018-07-19T14:15:04+00:00

I think that women are right to go higher in the hierarchy than themselves because if a man shows interest it is his fault for trusting someone who not only cheated, but may try to divorce rape knowing your financial situation. I think the best gene thing is wrong, because unless the person with the best genes has a life, it makes no sense. I don’t like branch swinging, but I think it should be cultural for everything the man or woman provided to the other to be retracted, so if the man payed for the house and has dominance over it, he gets it. Same with kids, whoever is the most responsible and capable gets the kid. It assures the mom doesn’t try the kid as a replacement husband and the dad isn’t abusive, or anything else.

aanarchist · 2018-07-19T14:21:33+00:00

Branch swinging is good in that if a woman I'm seeing does it she filters herself out for me for free. Just make sure you don't give her any beta bucks tells and she'll reveal her true colors pretty quickly.

DoctorB50 · 2018-07-19T15:26:42+00:00

It isn’t that no one has given you a decent answer. It’s that no one has given you an answer that you like or that fits your subjective preconceived notions. So here is another answer that you aren’t going to like. First of all, who made you the divine arbiter of what is right and wrong? And what objective standard did you use to determine that “cheating is wrong and it would be better for them to simply dump their partner before getting involved with the other person”? You’ve painted yourself into a philosophical corner. If you accept hypergamy and branch swinging as simple evolutionary biological urges, then there is nothing wrong with it. In fact, there is no right or wrong. There are only subjective personal preferences. By that same logic, men can indiscriminately ejaculate into any female receptacle of their choice without having to submit to any other person’s opinion to the contrary. After all; they are only responding to their evolutionary biological urges. I’m not going to get into a pissing contest with your or anyone else on this subject. If you ascribe human behavior to evolutionary biological urges, you have nothing to bitch about when someone else causes you emotional or physical pain because they were responding to their evolutionary biological urges that you subjectively consider to be "wrong."

Backdoor_Invader · 2018-07-19T15:46:46+00:00

It's not, it's natural. Same as a man replacing her with a younger one.

WolfgangBreitweit · 2018-07-19T20:51:23+00:00

Monkey branching isn’t a problem at all. Not for men who look at women for what they are and not some wonderful fantasy being.

520ThirdStreet · 2018-07-19T21:07:27+00:00

They can do what they think is best for them and we'll do what we think is best for us. We don't care.

sentinel46 · 2018-07-20T03:04:09+00:00

Yes we know they are just following their nature. That is the point. The game is rigged. Thus don't play the game.

MaGeTOW · 2018-07-19T14:53:29+00:00

I’ve been downvoted to hell for asking similar questions to subs with similar values. However, no one has given me a decent answer.

More likely: "no one has given me an answer I agree with."

By nature, women are hypergamous. They are built and wired to want the best that they can possibly get. Not only are they only able to get pregnant a few days out of the month, they stay pregnant for 9-10 months at a time. On top of this, they are only able to get pregnant in general for a short amount of time before menopause sets in. Oh, and they’re born with all of the eggs they’ll ever have. With all of this in mind, women don’t have the time nor the resources to settle.

When a better guy shows interest, do you really expect them not to take the opportunity? Are they really horrible people for doing so? Yeah cheating is wrong and it would be better for them to simply dump their partner before getting involved with the other person but I still can’t see them as terrible beings for doing so. They’re literally just following their nature. They’ve now realized that their partner isn’t the best that they can get and will act accordingly.

There's a thing called free will, if some women are incapable of using it then they are probably part of the flyover generation of women. If the subject of your two paragraphs was cats and their natural behavior, then I would agree with you that they're just being cats.
Are the two paragraphs above concern trolling?

I just want to know exactly what makes women so evil and terrible for this.

They're not evil or terrible, just inferior compared to other women.

EDIT: When I say they instinctively want the best that they can get, I don’t mean the best partner. I mean the best genes for their offspring.

Sure, don't expect me to help you in giving out the kool-aid.

DMT-50 · 2018-07-19T22:04:51+00:00

Branch swinging is as natural as you leaving your job for a better opportunity. Women see men like you see your current job, there's always room to improve.

Robin2Fast2Furious · 2018-07-20T11:12:51+00:00

You can’t hate a dog for barking. A dog is going to bark whether or not you like it. It’s in its nature. Similar to hypergamy in females.

Title	Is branch swinging really such a terrible thing?
Author	Rollingpebble9
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Comments	36
Date	July 19, 2018 1:12 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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