Incels? What incels?

TheRedPike · 2018-09-19T22:23:33+00:00

Not a smart time to stir the JP pot, even if you aren't specifically spewing his shit.

-saltymangos- · 2018-09-19T20:32:01+00:00

for one month i decided to lurk in the braincels sub. never commented, just observed. i found out that they are victims of their own minds. once they get stuck in that mindset, they are pull away from it. they feel entitled to their “incelness”. it’s quite sad. every time i would go to that sub it’s like i was poisoning my mind. it’s very addictive and i can see, if you have a negative mindset and an “old” virgin, it is hard to escape the mentality.

DeontologicalSanders · 2018-09-19T22:01:07+00:00

In all my years on the internet, I have never seen so much virtiol and disgust toward any other group. It just goes to prove that human group structure does not, under any circumstances, tolerate men who complain.

The only people who are even slightly publicly supportive and empathetic toward these self-described incels, are incels themselves. Literally everyone else hates them. In my estimate, that hatred stems from:

The fact that they are failures. It is a cruel truth of human nature that everyone loves a winner, and everyone loves to hate a loser. Not being appealing to women is the ultimate biological-level form of failure. We treat loserdom like a contagion. Environment doesn't matter. Circumstances don't matter. Don't get any of that shit on me. Stay away.
The fact that they admit to being failures. If Rule #1 of Being a Man is peform, then Rule #2 is sell yourself effectively. Even if you're not performing effectively, you can still minimize your weaknesses and emphasize your strengths effectively enough to improve your circumstances. But these guys are too socially retarded to understand that. They are too inept to understand that, while they will never admit it, women only give a shit about men that other women want. If you're not that guy, the next-best thing is just to fake it. It's hard, but it's not that hard.
The biggest and most influential driver of hatred toward incels is the fact that they complain about being failures while admitting to it. It's bad enough that you suck. It's bad enough that you're too dumb to lie about the fact that you suck. But now, you want to fill the air with negativity and woe-is-me bullshit hoping to elicit some combination of sympathy and emotional carthasis from bystanders? This is textbook Bitch Shit 101. When you open your mouth or take action, it should be to contribute something positive to whatever group you inhabit. Whether it's material gain, physical protection, social positioning, or political consensus, your goal should always be to improve your circumstances and those of the people around you.

If you don't, you can be damn sure that everyone around you will fucking despise you.

SashayIntoMyBed · 2018-09-19T20:05:27+00:00

So many are just socially inept that they can't see it like this. Like, you're speaking from a point of view of someone who can see their disgusting ways.

Albazarak · 2018-09-19T21:32:52+00:00

No one is making them eat junk food and play video games all day

The original incel culture started in an forum called PUAhate, as his name indicates, it was mostly full of ex-PUA veterans that see that don't matter how many "frame" you have, how much how you lift, and how much you approach, some males, thanks to extreme hideousness or severe autism, are basically doomed for birth.

As my case, i lifted for two years, i was invited to parties, i made people laugh and i have a great social circle, nothing of that shit matters and when woman see you in the street the first they do is cringe and even insult in public, attraction is mostly based in factors that is decided by your genes.

As for the redpill, i believe you guys recognized that incels and the blackpill have a point when it was discussed here when the original incel sub was banned(the redpill is for the betas, not for the omegas, as one highly upvoted comment says) so there's should be not problems, just don't try to sell the lie that even the elephant man have the chances of fucking 2000 woman per year if he hold "frame", that precisely why PUA's are basically laughed out of incel forums.

Dawnguards · 2018-09-19T22:14:05+00:00

To OP: have you ever watched red pill videos about how much pretty face affects women decision to hang out with you?

There are plenty of videos where average guys do good job with their "pick up" lines and game, and it leads nowhere - the looks are more important than men realise. Thats a hard pill to swallow.

And there are plenty of examples of chad looking guys doing lame dialogs with women and those women are more than happy to ignore that.

tl;dr looks are more important than you know.

SasquatchMcKraken · 2018-09-19T20:10:44+00:00

"Involuntary" in the sense that they didn't take some holy vow to never get their dick wet. They want to get laid, but they can't (largely by their own doing, as you pointed out).

BoilingBleach · 2018-09-19T20:41:41+00:00

What is funny is how Feminism is responsable to make kids into little girls. And yet are the the same women that despise those man to the point of frustrating them enough to do something as stupid as the incel shit.

I think the existance of this crap should be the last nail to this ideology's coffin.

anonlymouse · 2018-09-19T21:57:28+00:00

You started off pretty well, but

No one made them stop trying to be social or stop trying to talk to women

Here is where you went wrong. That's what school is. All a girl needs to do is say you were staring at her, or creeping her out for some undefined reason, and you get in shit. So your best defense is to become invisible to them, and you can't stay invisible if you talk to them. And when you're talking about boys, they're fully dependent on the authority figures around them - teachers and other school officials who will enforce the kafka traps on them.

It's not until men are grown up, and have left school, that they have a serious option to do something about it, and for that they have to first understand that their world view is wrong.

Nihev · 2018-09-19T20:19:18+00:00

Ehh you can't control everything in life. Not everyone who is the son of a crack addict will ever make it. The people who are born rich place more weight on their own "success" when they were born with success.

Some are destined to be incels. Sure there are the lazy guys who could be regular guys but they are just too lazy. Then there are also the children of CEOs etc

FixYourselfFirst · 2018-09-19T20:33:02+00:00

It is not that they are choosing to be celibate. They want to have sex. They just don't understand what they are doing wrong. It's similar to the Dunning-Kruger effect. They don't have the ability to "objectively evaluate their actual competence or incompetence" in social situations.

childpornfanboy · 2018-09-19T20:44:20+00:00

You are right that many of these self proclaimed incels can get laid if they work on Themselves. The problem is that for some, even if they do work on themselves, they may never do better than a 5 or a 6. They want to find girls that look like their waifu.

The other issue is that living in a society with a heavy cultural Marxist influence encourages people to seek out victimhood. I don't understand why these incel types don't just see decent quality hookers. At this point, they are likely cleaner than some thot. These guys want to be victims.

TheYekke · 2018-09-19T20:58:39+00:00

You need new eyes.k

Where you see scorn, I see cause and effect. Where you see losers, I see the uninitiated.

Mental exercise for you: If I doubled the number of men in your geography, would you still score as much (North Dakota shale oil boom made this a reality).

trancedj · 2018-09-19T21:50:38+00:00

Yep, self-inflicted all the way. Too lazy to do fuck all to change their situation.

Many years ago I remember reading a post from a guy on here. I was early into my unplugging phase but I’ll never forget it. Here’s the gist; dude was ugly and short and he fucking knew it. He was under 5’4”, bald, fucked up teeth, low earner, but yet he studied game hard and was fucking killing it. It was inspirational to hear his stories of dating taller, hotter women, and just having fun knowing the relationship would never last. If that guy can pull, any man can.

Asiatic_Static · 2018-09-19T20:26:52+00:00

I remember reading somewhere that part of the incel movement was support for men who literally could not find romantic or sexual companionship. Meaning the disabled or mutilated. Or guys that lost partners or went thru trauma in such a way that precluded them from forming relationships. Of course those voices weren't at the forefront for long

replicaplater · 2018-09-19T20:22:13+00:00

Yeah its mostly a self-inflicted mental prison. Most of them would probably do well just by hitting the gym, socializing, and stop feeling sorry for themselves. All that being said, I will say a few of them are so fucked up mentally that the above advice isn't going to work, even if they apply it religiously.

beto_747 · 2018-09-19T22:04:21+00:00

Many guys want the outcome but not the process. They want to have girls drop their panties but don’t want to do anything that makes women attracted to men in the first place. In the words of J Peterson, sort yourself out Bucko, and clean your room (and your lifestyle). Many guys aren’t incels, they are simply lazy, and unwilling to sacrifice anything for their goals.

Title	Incels? What incels?
Author	thenationalblade
Upvotes	8
Comments	19
Date	September 19, 2018 8:02 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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