Whenever a discussion involves "Nature vs Nurture" why does it seem women mostly take the side of "Nurture"?

RollinwitSisyphus · 2018-11-24T16:15:09+00:00

This isn't a thing you only see in women. Instead, most people greatly undervalue the amount Nature plays in their lives. A great example is political opinions. Most people tend to think they arrived at their political views through rational deliberation YET we know that there is a significant role genetics play in whether we lean left or right.

Here is a good example of some of the science.

It's pretty fascinating stuff and most people don't ever think about why they believe the things they do. Generally, people have opinions and rationalize backwards to create a plausible story about how they arrived at them.

Terdmuffin · 2018-11-24T14:17:10+00:00

So they can take credit for raising a successful kid. Also they don't know what they're talking about.

dulkemaru51 · 2018-11-24T20:26:03+00:00

Because it makes them feel better to think that we're all blank slates than to think that we're not, thus they think it, thus they know that it must be true.

[deleted] · 2018-11-24T15:56:39+00:00

It’s just the feelings-based response.

Velebit · 2018-11-24T23:48:03+00:00

Because evolutionarily, women's instincts lead them to nurture babies and try to change a man.

With this in mind, their efforts seem futile to them if it's mostly or only about biodeterminism.

With this in mind though, Jordan Peterson explained that people witb high conscieceousness who are natural hard workers have an inborn feeling that it's all about doing the hard work and that makes everything possible. Such people, even when confronted with hard evidence that, for example compensatory education for low iq children has utterly failed still firmly believe that it only failed because there was a lack of really hard work somewhere along the line.

Low conscience people (like me) tend to be lazy and messy and everything we achieve in life is despite not working hard, so we are naturally honed to spot shortcuts, who makes them, how they do it, how much effort it takes. And let me tell you, the amount of pure idiots who finish college simply because they are reading a whole book every week of the course until they literally memorizr every word in it is VERY HIGH. In my college a lot of people finished simply because they are hard workers and would literally have fits of anger and protest and complain to managment when there were verbal exams because despite learning everything in a book about banking could not answer a question that requires IQ like 'what do you think about the current state of banking' or 'why do countries have inflation' or 'why we don't have a gold standard' because the answers for them are not in the book and require you to actually think independently and critically.

For people like me it's plainly obvious that some people are stupid and merely get by grinding it out like a fucking robot. For example I am very worried about automation causing unrest because I just know the stupid people can't find and succeed in smart jobs. People high on conscience believe it will all work out because it worked out in the past if people are willing to do the hard work. No, not if dumb repetitive jobs are gone for dumb but well organized people.

If you only have creative but chaotic world of gigs this is absurdly abnormal for humans from evolutionary perspective. We are honed to a stable environment and using the resources of a forest, lake, river, field with skillset that a child can attain from their illiterate parent and that keeps on giving every year regardless of your ability to reinvent yourself every 5 to 8 years because the market is chaging so ultra rapidly, this is absurd. People in IT have to constantly reimvent their coding ability in a new language or a new program, switch from things automation makes their work redundant etc etc it's one the most unnatural workplace that exists.

Mike_Mercury · 2018-11-24T16:11:04+00:00

Both men and women take the most feel good position on the debate. Bottom line, we don’t know, and it’s probably both. You can look at twin studies and there are many examples when they are extremely different from each other. And yet some other times, twins grow up separately and are remarkably similar. So it just depends.

whatdidshewrite · 2018-11-24T14:55:27+00:00

The nature vs. nurture debate definitely isn’t over yet, although it’s safe to say that the answer is somewhere in the middle.

Just because women have naturally similar characteristics doesn’t mean they’re more nurture than not. We all have instinctual tendencies based on the roles we historically played in society. This doesn’t mean they can/can’t be overwritten through upbringing.

FanaticMind · 2018-11-24T16:22:01+00:00

Definitely not correct, most women think alpha males are born with it. Not nurtured

icecruzader · 2018-11-24T18:31:19+00:00

Despite IQs being genetic and there being a lot to do, it is 50/50 because you can overcome genetic predespositions and become successful regardless of how you start off. If you are looking at overall success you can't actually say one is better than another. You can be natural at game or you can learn and improve your frame as you grow up and have guidance. Airing on either side is pointless to how you have to act. It's more hopeful and 'nice' to say its nurture, feeding into the egalitarian world view pushed by the feminized masses which is what I think you mean. It give the appearance of equal chance. For game you could be a tall muscular dude naturally but with no frame its useless. How you are raised can I fluence you success more depending on what you are measuring.

Title	Whenever a discussion involves "Nature vs Nurture" why does it seem women mostly take the side of "Nurture"?
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Date	November 24, 2018 1:19 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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