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[–]ConstantChinner57 points58 points59 points 8 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
They have to justify why they are not attractive enough for your attention. And making up shit is easier to admit that they are deeply flawed!
[–]discreetecrepedotcom10 points11 points12 points 8 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
I've said it a thousand times and I know it's true. The nanosecond a created being can replace a woman in the role of sex will be the end of civilization. Men live only to have sex, women live only to have children. They will keep wanting different children from different men and men will keep wanting sex with younger finer women. It's all there is and it's the only thing that keeps us populated.
Without it, we are doomed. I don't give a shit honestly, let us be doomed, it's stupid.
[–]ContrasexualWoman0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (22 children) | Copy Link
Nah. Some of us women don't ever want children and have undergone surgery to prevent any pregnancies, and some men absolutely want to be fathers and would be miserable as MGTOW. Maybe not a majority but we do exist.
[–]1DGL 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
why would you have surgery to prevent pregnancy if you dont want sex?
[–]ContrasexualWoman-2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Do you not want sex?
[–]ContrasexualWoman-5 points-4 points-3 points 8 years ago* (19 children) | Copy Link
Who doesn't want sex? I greatly enjoy sex, and have it 2-3x a week. However, I knew from the time I was 16 that I didn't want kids, and had the Essure procedure (basically a female vasectomy, and much cheaper than a tubal ligation) done when I was 24. I'm 32 now and still no regrets!
Lol. Downvotes for making it impossible for me to ever get pregnant, now I've seen it all. I thought MGTOWs would be happy to hear some women actively change their reproductive systems to not spermjack men.
[–]marche_ck4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Tell us again when you hit 40....
[–]ContrasexualWoman-2 points-1 points0 points 8 years ago* (4 children) | Copy Link
Sure thing. If anything, I'll be even happier with my decision since having children at age 40 sounds absolutely idiotic. Who in their right mind would want to be waking up in the middle of the night at 40, or chasing toddlers/kids around in their 40s and 50s? No thanks, other people can go procreate.
[–]_Insidious_ 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Im with u there.
[–]ContrasexualWoman0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks. Apparently other people aren't, but I'm guessing they actually wanted to procreate.
[–]marche_ck0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I mean hitting 40 and childless.
Maybe it's just me, but many women have this weird need to have something they can have total control on. In conventional families it's usually the husband, then the children (even to their adulthood!). Some bring it to their workplace & micromanage their subordinates. Others go for pets. Small dogs like pomeranians are popular here where I live.
Do you see yourself having this need? If yes, (and I'm just speculating here..nothing personal....) life is going to get tough if you don't have any one of the above.
I don't have any need for "total control" over anyone, no. Other than control over myself and my own life choices, obviously, but most adults including yourself want that.
I do have two bearded dragons, but they were rescues from my local SPCA who doesn't typically accept such animals. I adopted them because they needed a safe and loving home with someone who had previous experience caring for reptiles, not to have control over them.
[–]Usuqamadiq3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm going to guess that the reason you are getting downvotes is because you are a women who has entered a male space and is now throwing your opinion around and all of us here resent it. We are tired of everytime we say fuck it and walk away from women even litteraly having our own forum/subreddit, women come in uninvited and feel the need to comment. Your own participation throughout this thread is evidence of that. I'm not downvoting you but please know that we do not care of your opinions or feelings. This is a male space. It's in the title: MEN Going Their Own Way.
I'm happy you are happy with the decision not to have kids and spremjack men. However, you are seeing validation here from men that you made the right choice and that we should praise you for being one of the 0.00001% of women to do so.
[–]ContrasexualWoman0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm going to guess that the reason you are getting downvotes is because you are a women who has entered a male space and is now throwing your opinion around and all of us here resent it.
It's odd to consider a piece of the internet a "male space". Sounds like how the r/askwomen subreddit gets pissed when men offer their own take on questions or conversations going on there. Even when the men are supporting the women or hold the same exact opinions (like how I'm a WGTOW and actively spread and support the idea of going your own way) they get downvotes for commenting in a "female space". It's a rather separatist mentality, to superficially disagree with someone who actually agrees with you just because of their gender. Do you agree or disagree?
However, you are seeing validation here from men that you made the right choice and that we should praise you for being one of the 0.00001% of women to do so.
No, I'm not seeing any validation here, nor am I seeking any. My initial comment was for the dude who said men don't want kids/only sex and women don't want sex/only kids. All my friends are men, and the majority are fathers who had known since they were teens that they really wanted to have offspring... like how I knew from the same age that I never did. The idea of the "majority" men not wanting fatherhood sounded like the feminist trope of "men think with their dicks" + "men are bad at nurturing", so I commented against it. There's a lot of guys who've been fed these shitty, anti-masculine concepts for so long that they believe them as Truth, unfortunately. It's one more crime modern Feminism is responsible for, saying dads aren't needed or wanted.
[–]free-- 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Who doesn't want sex?
I don't want sex and I'm not asexual.
[–]ContrasexualWoman0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Isn't not wanting sex or not having a libido the definition of asexual though?
[–]free-- 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Well I didn't have low libido few years ago, I suffered no trauma to reduce my libido and my testosterone levels are good.
I stopped pursuing sex and masturbating (which was difficult not denying that) and like any habit, interest just faded more and more the longer I stayed away from it.
Could that mean I've through effort changed to asexual? Well that suggests sexuality is fluid, which suggests gays can change to straight/vice versa, which means there is a cure for homosexuality and the implications of that are bigger than me so I'd like to think I'm just not interested in sex anymore rather than having changed to asexual.
[–]ContrasexualWoman0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's actually really interesting. So long as you don't have an underlying physical issue like diabetes or low blood pressure which I know can screw up one's sex drive or ability to maintain erections, then maybe you really did just kick what your mind considered a habit instead of a need. Which yeah, does have bigger implications for society at large.
I know a woman who was previously straight and after being in two back-to-back abusive hetero relationships, essentially turned herself lesbian and has been with her girlfriend for 10 years now. Does this mean she really did change from being heterosexual to homosexual? Or was she always bisexual, but was repressing it until dating women became her best option for obtaining a loving partner? Pretty sure we'll never know. But I do think that sexuality is fluid for a decent amount of people, like how the Kinsey scale goes from 0-6 to account for varying degrees of sexual attraction.
[–]free-- 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
physical issue like diabetes or low blood pressure
nope!
Well whatever the reason I'm healthy and happy as well as ultimately better off without women so not feeling these "needs" really helps.
[–]ContrasexualWoman1 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
That's really good! I'm glad you are both happy and healthy, and hope you continue to be so.
[–]onbakeplatinum0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Is that the one where they stuff your tubes with silicone?
No, I think that's what the newest male procedure is. Essure is where they take a thin, flexible metal coil and insert one into each of your fallopian tubes. It creates a kind of scar tissue that effectively blocks sperm from reaching your eggs, thus eliminating the threat of pregnancy. It has an over 99% success rate, and is the easiest and quickest form of permanent birth control available. I'd say it's even better than a vasectomy, because it requires no cutting or anesthesia at all.
[–]onbakeplatinum0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Does it effect your period or is that not related?
Nope, it's not affected.
[–]Demonikhan21 points22 points23 points 8 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
Most women do not understand men. The media and society has taught them that men want to have sex all of the time with any female they see. When a man is not attracted to them sexually they can only assume that man is either gay, virgin or 'woman hater'.
Most/Many women can't understand a man that does not want to have anything to do with marriage, short/long term relationships, a one night stand or even friendship. Because they do not understand they immediately go on the defensive and rationalize it by demonizing the man.
[–]georgesoyros2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This.
[–]discreetecrepedotcom1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
This is largely true though if the woman is a 7 or better isn't it? If she's fit and cute/pretty etc. It's a rare man that doesn't at least look at her.
As much as it sucks, we are wired this way. This is how we are made. This is why you guys that have given up women period and wouldn't have one for anything, even if you might think they are the one unicorn are pretty amazing beings.
[–]Demonikhan4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
I wont disagree with everything you said, but the majority of us have given up women due to the extremely biased family court system and the overall poor legal repercussions of dealing with females on a business or personal level. There are very few women haters here. In fact most of us love women, but have seen through personal experience the 'severe' problems in dealing with them. MGTOW are not Incels (Involuntary Celibates). Our philosophy is basically this: Women are evil by nature and the government backs them up so we simply won't deal with them. We are Men Going There Own Way... we are living our life in what many would consider a selfish manner.
[–]StoneTempleFlyboy2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
It's like realizing owning a 42' hatteras is a time consuming money pit, and even too expensive to rent, but damn they look great and ride nice. Ironically most of them suffer the same fate, rotting in a brokerage (tinder, pof) until they truly have no value.
[–]ContrasexualWoman-3 points-2 points-1 points 8 years ago* (14 children) | Copy Link
There are very few women haters here. In fact most of us love women
and
Our philosophy is basically this: Women are evil by nature
are oppositional beliefs. It takes a lot of cognitive dissonance to believe both simultaneously.
Interesting that I'm receiving downvotes for pointing out you shouldn't love someone if you truly believe they are evil, especially if you irrationally think that this evilness is somehow inherent to their core personality.
[–]Demonikhan5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Look at it this way: You can love beer, but you know it is evil :) Same thing with women.
[–]ContrasexualWoman-1 points0 points1 point 8 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
You think beverages are evil too? 🤨
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[–]ContrasexualWoman0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
But beverages don't have any morality attached to them. It's a drink, so it is amoral like a baby girl or boy who hasn't been taught anything yet. Adult women and men can be either moral or immoral, but no living person is inherently one or the other unless you count actual sociopaths who suffer from a true lack of empathy.
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[–]ContrasexualWoman0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Not every MGTOW believes that women are inherently bad though. One of my good friends irl is a MGTOW, and he puts no beliefs into biological determinism. Rather, he thinks that both boys and girls are able to be equally ethical or unethical, typically dependant on their upbringing. I agree with this view, because to say one's morals are connected to one's sex chromosomes is a view without supporting evidence. In other words, men and women alike can be cold, manipulative, narcissistic, heartless cretins...or they can be kind, empathetic, honorable, helpful beings. It's not based on one's genitals or amount of estrogen/testosterone, but instead one's childhood plus level of self-reflection and personal accountability.
I cannot disagree that some MGTOW do indeed think the way you describe, but that doesn't necessarily make it correct. For example, those women who are hypergamous don't actually seem to be happy at all, only well provided for. It would behoove such types of women to reconsider their life choices and seek out partners they love while who loving them in return, and build a strong relationship together instead of playing the juvenile role of one who needs to be cared for like a child. Otherwise, they will never know what it is to be self-actualized and content because they'll just be focused on finding the next richest/higher status male. Asking honestly, do you think hypergamous females are ever happy with their lives?
[–]ihatenewreddit1231 point 8 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link
yeah that would be nice. i agree that both sexes have the audacity to be good or bad and you should give every new individual you encounter the opportunity to prove their goodness. the main difference however, considering out current social climate, is that women are often put into positions where their negative traits are allowed to go unchecked, Where as, it is the exact opposite for males where there is a literal (maybe figurative) witch hunt for "toxic" masculinity "cis white males". This gives the women less incentive to better their behaviour and puts males in a position where often times the winning move is simply not to play
I agree, and treat every man and woman as such.
Western society (at least in the US where I live) is definitely as you say. Tradcons are constantly breathing down the neck of any male or female who has decided against marriage and procreation, Feminists can't seem to write an article or hold a Meetup without condemning "the patriarchy" or seeing male privilege in every facet of male/female interaction, and SJWs find a new "microaggression" to be offended about each day. I'm not only a WGTOW, but also a men's rights advocate, Libertarian, and anti-circumcision activist. Of course, none of my family or co-workers know, because as you probably understand, that would be social suicide. It's truly a weird and slightly terrifying world we live in, where those of us who are sane... people like you and I...are considered "misogynistic" for pointing out that being an entitled cunt with paper thin skin and a need for Daddy Government isn't good.
oh well. no use in crying about it.
True, but I think it's worth working on. Obviously most MGTOW are different from MRAs in this regard. You tend to have a "watch the world burn" mentality rather than a "raise our voices against misandry" one, but I believe if enough men and women care the system will become more equal.
you said yourself that youre not able to out yourself as having these views cause that would be social suicide. everyone else is in the same boat. until its safe to come out of the woodwork, nobody is going to do anything. And honestly the way i see it, the world is actually going in the opposite direction of what we would like it to. The zenith of degeneracy has not been reached yet.
Surely we're close though? Unless they start forcing men and women to get married/pay a "singlehood tax", or make paternity testing illegal, or something likewise unethical... how much further can we fall as a society?
https://funnyjunk.com/Who+could+have+seen+this+coming/wsNyLjf/
much farther
Holy shit...
[–]TheImmortalLegion14 points15 points16 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This annoys me as well, I guess they can't wrap their heads around the fact that they're as common and useless as a grain if sand.
[–]wap2dem12 points13 points14 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sand is a lot more useful than the modern woman.. Glass, concrete, mortar etc all great materials used in construction
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[–]ContrasexualWoman2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is an absolutely stellar analogy.
[–]ContrasexualWoman4 points5 points6 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because those kinds of women literally cannot comprehend that men also have lives outside of just their sexual needs. These are likely women who spend the majority of their mornings "getting ready" to be seen in public, and when you don't "recognize" their cosmetic work it pisses them off.
[–]mugenowns5 points6 points7 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Social media. Imagine you're a woman, who's halfway decent. Now go on Instagram or Facebook and start posting a few selfies and mention that you're bored. See how many likes you get and how many thirsty guys offer to keep you company. Since the human brain is terrible at math women don't realize that 1000 guys liking their photos is out of like 10 million men on Instagram. They take it as a thousand guys even though in real life that means there's a 99.9% chance that the guy they're next to at Starbucks isn't going to look their way. And this isn't even taking into account that the guy trying to get in their DMs is doing the same thing to every hot girl he sees. He's just casting a wide net to get whatever he can. They're completely oblivious to this. They develope inflated egos because they see themselves as mini famous actresses because guys are always offering them attention and in their mind they must be quite a catch. So why else would you reject them if not because you're gay when, in their mind, most men want them.
[–]CrackingYs 3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They are hitting the wall and don't realize it.
[–]anongogogo3 points4 points5 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
cunt instincts their cunt is hurting if you don't chase it lol
[–]Wolfoflulzstreet2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Women are bully’s. Narcissistic bullies at that. I reject women in their 40’s constantly. They’re always mortally wounded because I’m in my 50’s and attempt to rough me up like this, call me gay, etc...
[–]_Insidious_ 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hilarious
[–]project_mayhem_2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
it's not an argument, it's a tactic
[–]raisins3142 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]D0p3y32 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Whenever I get asked why I don't have a GF they straight up ask me if I'm gay. I'm so close to just going along with it just to have them leave me alone.
[–]MegaDeathX121 point2 points3 points 8 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Because they want to shame you into doing that. They want to shame into doing something that does not benefit you!
[–]discreetecrepedotcom1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because the need for women is as strong as the fear of death. It is incredibly strong and incredibly persistent. They are so used to being able to control and rule men and when men appear immune to it they get fucking angry.
It's not just dismissive, they get fucking pissed when their magic pheromone doesn't work on you believe me.
Honestly it's really unfortunate that we are built with two very irrational instincts. They served us well when we were able to control and act on them but now in this modern society all they do is make us miserable.
You fear death when there really is no death to fear. We die of old age mainly. Stupid people ruin the gene pool now because we let them live no matter how dumb and destructive they are.
We pine for women that are young looking and have an overabundance of them around us at all times but can't so much as look at them because it's now illegal.
We never feel hunger, we are able to remove the hungry feeling instantly and to a point where while we are supposed to feel hungry at all times we now never or rarely feel hungry.
We are living in a way we were not designed and women as much as they can irritate you are having the same problem. I actually believe Dr. Jordan Peterson when he says we don't know how to work together yet. At some point maybe forcing evolutionary traits away may work but like the fear of death, it's strong, how do you just stop it?
[–]Ghustgan1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They don't assume that. They're just trying to shame you. It's funny because they think that since you calling them things/names affects them (omg! I'm no slut!!), if they do the same to you, it will hurt you too!
[–]DavidShekelburg 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why do women automatically assume you’re gay or bitter if you’re not constantly hounding for their attention and worshiping the ground they walk on?
Of course.
[–]TheRedPi11a0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because bitterness and gayness is something you express. Being a MGTOW means being valuing the freedom of doing your thing.
Everytime you say "HEY GUYS IM MGTOW" you are not mgtow, you are being a bitter faggot who hates women.
MGTOW IS NOT AN EXPRESSION PLATFORM. It's a very personal life style choice that others have no business with. Psychologically healthy men don't go "Hey I hate when my GF doesn't do the dishes" out of the sudden.
[–]moriyokari0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I honestly couldn’t give a shit if that’s what they think. Not my problem.
[–]WolfgangBreitweit 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That’s easy: Because it can’t be their fault.
[–]dontscreef0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Give no fucks to cunts. They only have maybe like 3 comebacks to argue with. Logic for women is like antlers for rabbits, they don't go together.
[–]Danphil900 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I totally get what you mean, because i choose to live a single life, many friends have asked before if im gay lol. I prefer dogs and cats or any animals over women.
[–]Jlax10270 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because they need an excuse for you not liking them and they just can’t except that you don’t so they have to attack you for it.
[–]maggot_brain790 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They assume such because it gives them an opportunity or reason to shame and ridicule and insult you. They do so because if you don't care about women and sex, you have essentially dismantled both any power they might have had over you and their only source of value.
[–]Ibanezguitarrocks0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I read an anecdote from an attractive guy who ended up rewarding a chick at a bar with sex for calling him gay because he wouldn't hit on her.
They do it because it works.
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