I hate what this sub is becoming.

somuchluv2give · 2018-06-08T10:38:00+00:00

This sub has always been this way. If u don’t like it u can leave. Men are allowed to be angry. Men are allowed to talk shit about women and hate women if we want to.

JStheHammer · 2018-06-08T10:50:53+00:00

Post what you want to see

mohnjack · 2018-06-08T11:31:49+00:00

I joined this sub because I wanted suggestions on how to improve personal growth, how to find our strength in difficult times, suggestions on managing our financing, how to repair stuff, learn new stuff... in short: how to be better men, for ourselves and ourselves only, not to prove anything to society.

We've got plenty of posts that prove this point, you can search the sub for them.

I know it’s hard to be always attentive in a relationship, but that’s the way relationships are, I just don’t want to be a coward and avoid things just because I was hurt once.

It's not cowardly to avoid impending doom, enslavement, a ruined future and the theft of your hard work. That's like saying it's cowardly not to put yourself in Auschwitz. In fact it's very smart to avoid danger, and today's women and society (in general, not all/everyone) are the biggest danger a man can face.

All I see now is just people getting angry at women.

They're not angry at women, at least not most of them. They're angry at the discovery of the redpill for the first time, that their entire upbringing in schools, within families and friends has been a big lie. Imagine working hard all your life, breaking your bones and scraping by to fulfill that one dream that you always wanted and that everyone around told you you wanted, but eventually realizing that you're living a big ugly lie to be abused and disposed of once you're no longer of use. Wouldn't you be angry at that?

People shouting AWALT even if you see a woman supporting our ideas on YouTube, I mean I’m not saying that the AWALT theory is wrong, I’m just saying that you probably won’t even see that woman in your life so you don’t need to be all defensive. If we say AWALT and say bad things about women, how are we any different than feminists?

I don't think you understand the idea behind AWALT. The whole concept of AWALT revolves around that one rare unicorn that is so hard to find, you'll probably need 3 lifetimes to actually find her (2-3 centuries). No one can make a claim so bold as to say ALL(100%) of women are the same, not even the biggest baddest playuh can say that. However, we warn men not to waste their entire life, money, efforts and future on finding the rare unicorn because it's near impossible. Instead, we teach focus, self reliance and self improvement, because that's at least doable.

One last thing that I'd like to add: this sub is like a hospital, housing those that truly require treatment and help. As such you'll see anger, grief, sadness and despair in many posts, but that's OK because everyone should be treated so that they move on and focus on bettering their lives. That said, no one is forcing you to listen, you can do whatever you want, that's the entire idea behind mgtow: every man is an island and many roads lead to the center (or Rome, if you prefer).

Sir_manalot · 2018-06-08T10:49:19+00:00

How selfish of you.

Not every man is as far along in there journey as you.

Many men have suffered far worse then you and anger is the out way that they can cope.

Tell me, in what other space can a Man express his pain in this world? And who are you to tell these men not to cope?

Should they instead hold it in so it keeps growing and growing, making there lives increasingly misserable?

Let me be clear, this sub hasn't changed, you have. You have completely passed the red pill rage phase and are now trying to mold the entire sub to fit your current position in the mgtow chain (anger to bargaining to depression to acceptance).

I will assume you are in the bargaining phase and are starting to make excuses to get back into the plantation...and that is why the women "hate" is becoming something you cannot stand...a way to convince yourself to go back.

So again, how selfish of you. So if you wish to leave, then just leave.

Emanresu_rouy_esoohc · 2018-06-08T11:11:28+00:00

even if you see a woman supporting our ideas on YouTube

I hope you know, that this women manipulate you? They dont support our ideas, they just pretend to care about it. They see a group of men with resources and status, who gave up on marriage, commitment and financial support. They are AWALT that wanna join another male space to increase their own status, steal resources and gain attention.

Docbear64 · 2018-06-08T12:19:07+00:00

These tone policing attempts have to stop , The value of Red Pill subs is that men get to be honest and open about their frustration and angers when dealing with women and society at large.

Something men don't get to do in society at large, We talk about the the lack of attention given to mens mental health and concern for mens emotions so how are we any better if we tell men " YOU CAN ONLY SHARE YOUR EMOTIONS IF THEY ARE PROPERLY FORMATTED AND EXPRESSED THIS WAY !"

Let the angry men be angry , let the happy men be happy , let those men dealing with depression share their thoughts.

There's a large variety of posts on this sub , if you'd like more positive posts give us something positive to talk about, create a post encouraging talk about goals and whatnot , but Telling men how we can or can't talk about women is just regurgitating the same shit every other space on the internet is doing and " allows" for.

By The way this shit right here :

I just don’t want to be a coward and avoid things just because I was hurt once.

Shows me you're probably not a MGTOW, you're waiting on your unicorn and that's fine but the reason you don't get the men here is because you don't think like the men here , you probably should find a new sub to read / post to .

GriffTheGreat · 2018-06-08T10:42:08+00:00

I think it's fine and I think you are in the wrong sub, maybe red pill? You come off as whiney and feminine btw.

Ohboohoolittlegirl · 2018-06-08T11:00:18+00:00

This sub has been this way, but there is a serious undertone developing what I can only call: Incell-vibes. Bitter, victim role posts that do nothing but deteriorate the sub. So many bitter, black and white hating people that I'm also doubting whether I should stay or go.... Incels and MGTOWS aren't the same and I wish the incels would kindly fuck off, making this a bitter and resentful sub.

Before.. people would express their unhappiness and bitterness and vent their stress. Now it just seems the so-manyth post of how people should shun everything.

When MGTOW wasn't mainstream, it was men. Now it's more and more little boys, otaku's and incels.. More and more do I understand why people who come here to research, think it's an incell sub, ruled by kids.

boomboompow_90 · 2018-06-08T11:37:17+00:00

If you don't like it don't ask people to chage so that you can like it... You can leave the sub or focus on the posts you like . but don't do that here please :) we are freemen we don't need someone to ask us to change here

CommanderHeMan · 2018-06-08T13:22:04+00:00

Stop looking at it so much. You can’t expect every man to be at your stage of going your own way.

Every day new men discover that AWALT and they are ANGRY about it. Let them be.

You can’t dictate the way people feel. After all, isn’t that the system you’re running from?!

gantz_au · 2018-06-08T10:48:53+00:00

You do realise that this sub wasn't made specifically for you, right? It's a whole lot of individuals with their own process of going their own way who are figuring things out differently from how you personally do things.

If you have a certain set of values, then by all means, follow those set of values, but don't expect everyone else to be a clone of you.

If you want to see certain types of content on this subreddit, perhaps the way to do that and find others who share your views is to actually start posting threads on this subreddit instead of waiting for others to do things for you.

Figg1778 · 2018-06-08T10:46:28+00:00

Perhaps you should look into r/GentlemenOnly

1995mgtow · 2018-06-08T13:23:57+00:00

I agree op. When I joined this sub it was all about awareness and self improvement. Now it's just incel mgtows hating on women. If there is a sub dedicated to mgtow self improvement please let me know.

Don_Floppino · 2018-06-08T15:00:03+00:00

I was under the impression that this sub was for Men that are GTOW AND those that are beginning to realize it, those that swallowed the Red Pill and are waking up.

I am still in the anger phase of it, I have been lied to for over twenty years and you don't just shrug that off.. I don't wish women any harm, but I won't cry if it happens.

This place is the only one where men like us can really vent without being judged, and apparently even that is something that some people here want to censor?

ilikerelish · 2018-06-08T18:43:00+00:00

The Mensrights sub has a great saying that applies here: "be the change that you want to see." I doubt that any of the mods are going to stop you from posting interesting things, asking questions, waxing philosophically.. DO IT. If what you see is not what you want, post what you want.

I would also add that this is the landing pad for many men finding MGTOW. This is the place where they start their journey. The sidebar tells you what, the posts generally tell you why, and reinforce that that the concepts are correct.

TowerOfMG · 2018-06-08T11:00:22+00:00

joined this sub because I wanted suggestions on how to improve personal growth

Plenty of those kind of post here...

suggestions on managing our financing

I've seen plenty of these kinds of post too...

how to repair stuff, learn new stuff

There's specific subreddits for that...

in short: how to be better men, for ourselves and ourselves only, not to prove anything to society.

There's post like these every fucking day.

All I see now is just people getting angry at women

And what's the point of your point? There are people still in the rage stage, let them rage and stop trying to tone police.

My final point is, everything you want in this sub is here so stop being lazy and use your searchbar or start posting what you want to discuss.

cryptotim70726 · 2018-06-08T11:53:20+00:00

I hate when people think they can change the behavior of the men on this sub. Using the same shaming tactics that aided us to become MGTOW will only be met by resistance to those tactics.

If you don't like this sub, you have 2 options: 1. Leave. 2. Contribute more of the things you want to see here.

ymranx · 2018-06-08T13:26:35+00:00

Is it coincidence that 'UpVote' is red and 'DownVote' is blue here? Take the voting system here as pill meter.

aanarchist · 2018-06-08T17:22:17+00:00

All fair points, it's important to be mindful so that you don't become that which you hate. Too many mgtows just become the male version of feminists irrational and bitchy etc. Every movement has its dregs.

OldTimeyENT · 2018-06-10T05:41:30+00:00

ArmondDillo · 2018-06-08T16:25:19+00:00

While I agree with you, and was like you. When it becomes so bad that you are harassed, despite doing your best to avoid it all, it's okay to get angry. It's okay to want to do something about it.

I would say your best bet is to only click the posts that go along with how you feel. I think we can all co-exist here. Besides, you're good at keeping your head down, right? :D

FreshNothingBurger · 2018-06-08T11:02:13+00:00

Angry/hurt people need a place to vent.

Don't like it? Post other content you'd like to see, downvote the things you dislike and/or leave.

blablable123456 · 2018-06-08T11:03:17+00:00

Women play the mind game too, look how stupid it would like if a woman would "lead" the mgtow movement. You see at YouTube a woman saying all things that we agree here, like, court rape, more suicide males than females, etc.. But shes just playing the game too. Also, you cant look at women as if they were the supreme being. You have to look at each person as if they were animals. Women go after rich guys because they provide everything. Look at nature, female tend to go tougether with male providers. We are all animals deep in ourselfs.

boomboompow_90 · 2018-06-08T11:09:31+00:00

Well, I posted this and got attacked as I would be by angry feminists. People probably didn’t even read the whole post. I agree that this is not sub for me, good bye brothers, have a good life.

Title	I hate what this sub is becoming.
Author	boomboompow_90
Upvotes	0
Comments	51
Date	June 8, 2018 10:35 AM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MGTOW
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/8piu15/i_hate_what_this_sub_is_becoming/
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