Red Pill is beta as fuck

Ghustgan · 2018-05-06T01:32:11+00:00

Lifting, maintaining frame and making money are all good advice.

Lifting is healthy, maintaining frame is a good thing to learn, being able to keep your cool in general is a very good thing and making money is self explanatory.

They might be chasing women a bit too much but some things they say do have merit.

iwaspaidtobehere · 2018-05-06T01:17:55+00:00

The amount of work some of those guys put into getting laid is just slightly better and slightly less risky than being married. GYOW.

somuchluv2give · 2018-05-06T01:19:09+00:00

Most of the things they recommend are things you should be doing for yourself anyway.

AshyBoneVR4 · 2018-05-06T07:49:42+00:00

I've had this same thought about TheRedPill for a while. But no, not exactly.

Most of the time when Dudes discover TheRedPill it's due to one of two reasons.

They can't get girls so they end up friendzoning themselves, or just get used as the Beta's that they are.
They find out they have been getting cheated on and/or screwed over in a lot of different ways by women.

Honestly it's the same for a lot of guys who go MGTOW. TheRedPill focuses on exposing the world for what it is to Beta's/Bluepills. We (most men in general) don't understand just how rigged in the women's favor that the world is. So the first step is seeing how pussy controlled the world is and how men are the enemy. MGTOW is the same in this regards.

Where TheRedPill and MGTOW deviate from one another is basically the next step. TheRedPill starts teaching guys how to get women because they feel like that aspect is lacking in their lives. They think that in order to be a "Manly man" they have to be able to slay bitches. MGTOW focuses on teaching men that you don't need woman at all. That women will just bring nothing but grief and suffering into our lives. So it's best to do you own thing. Live your own life.

TheRedPill teaches guys how to be in control of the relationship/plating. It tries to teach guys how women ACTUALLY think and not how the world wants us to think women think. A lot of guys don't understand that women's actions, as well as their choices are dictated by their emotions. Logic and reasoning ALWAYS takes a back seat to emotions every time. TheRedPill tries to get guys to understand this, and use this to their advantage.

Both MGTOW and TheRedPill share basic concepts like how the cock carousel works, the 1000 cock stare, the wall, and misandry. But honestly, I feel like MGTOW is the easy way out (As I wrote that, I could feel the storm of downvotes). Again, MGTOW is basically dudes saying, fuck it. I'm done. I'm not dealing with this shit, I'm packing it all in, and I'm out. Fuck women and their bullshit. MGTOW stops playing the game, buys a new console and starts a new game. TheRedPill is saying, ok, these are the REEEEEEEEEEEEEAL rules of the game. Let me recreate my character so I can start doing better in this game. If that didn't help, think about as working on cars. You're working on a Mustang and get tired of the V8s bullshit. MGTOW would be the equivilant of saying fuck you Mustang, getting a Motorcycle and being happy with it. TheRedPill would be like discovering you actually had the repair manual for the V6 the entire time so now you need to buy an entire new set of tools to work on the Mustangs V8. After doing enough work you, you install a supercharger.... Sorry, I'm a car guy, I got a little carried away there.

I follow both. Like religions and philosophy, not one is superior to the other. Because in the end they both accomplish the same thing. Men don't get screwed over by bitch. That's all that matters. It doesn't matter what path you choose to take, as long as you're not no bitches bitch, you're good.

---RANT---

I do gotta say though, TheRedPill does have a little more hypocrisy then MGTOW. Remember way back at the beginning when I listed the 2 common ways that dudes discover MGTOW and TheRedPill. One of them was the guy gets screwed over? Welp, there begins what I call the Chad Paradox. Guys over there will bitch and complain about how women can't be loyal to them, and that they'll cheat on them for some roided out, brick draw having chad mother fucker. They'll talk about how Chad or Tyrone are just dudes who go around fucking anything that moves because he's the asshole bad boy.

They'd complain and bitch about how Chads aren't faithful to any chick because all Chad cares about is getting laid. Then they'll turn around and brag about/make up stories talking about how they've picked up and fucked multiple different women. How their number went from 12 or 20 to up in the 100s. They'll talk about fucking married women because their sluts and that it's easy for them because they've become alpha. The line between being an alpha and being chad gets real real blurry real quick. And no one seems to ever mention this. When asked they basically say they're an amoral philosophy and that they don't judge others for their actions.... So why all the Chad hate? Because you weren't that chicks Chad?

I can go on about this for a while, but I realize just how long this post is. Sorry for the textbook response. I'm bored at work on the nightshift and have 3 hours to go. Yall have a good reddit experience.

-ABVR4.

Religion_Raper666 · 2018-05-06T01:16:28+00:00

Women expect us to devote our lives to them. We are not doing that. Shit, working out is a great way to blow of stress

NolanHarlow · 2018-05-06T07:02:23+00:00

Oh for fucks sake, don't go trying to shit on TRP. The same would go in reverse.

There is a ton of overlap. A different desired endstate, but lots of overlap nonetheless.

We sound like the extreme left, nitpicking at similar groups. Stop.

6tfcxdr54eszaw32q1 · 2018-05-06T05:45:10+00:00

Fuck holding frame. Be yourself and you'll feel free.

Indubitably_Confused · 2018-05-06T04:39:37+00:00

OP, and all who agree with this simple view, needs to read the sidebar again. Generalizing Red Pill from the few who are loud rather than taking it into consideration for all things considered, it just seems childish.

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Nkazio · 2018-05-06T10:32:49+00:00

To be honest, neither TRP nor MGTOW have the right solution to anything. The greatest logical fallacy most of us make is not realizing that TRP is gynocentric, period.

TRP is about swallowing the 'red pill', and seeing the sexual market for what it is, in order to SCORE PUSSY. Scoring pussy becomes the endgame. Be an 'Alpha' that gets to Fuck, not a Cuck that has to buck.

Once you swallow your red pill, your entire narrative and core motivation revolves around becoming something that women are attracted to. They're all trying to achieve 'Alpha Male' status through a beta male motivation. It's not about becoming 'The Man'. It's about becoming 'The Man women love'.

No amount of 'hold frame/you're in charge/ you're alpha' mantras change the core reality of the Red pill being in it's essence about pandering to female nature. We delude ourselves into thinking that we do it 'in order to play the game'. Must appeal to her to get her, etc.

We also delude ourselves into thinking that, because we're 'red pilled', this changes the dynamics in some way. Ofcourse, you're a man. With above average looks, lifting, frame holding and basically dressing yourself up as an Alpha (In all aspects, physique, personality, mannerisms, whatever), you will attract a Woman, period. This doesn't make you red pilled, 'above the herd' or smarter then females. It just means you play the game they've set up from the beginning. Get Alpha or get lost, basically.

This is why the Red pill is inherently gynocentric. It embraces the Idea that Men must perform infront of women (Through presenting themselves as objects of success, I.E Muscles, Personality, Social Status, etc). Just because someone has taught you how to show status the right way (i.E not bragging/being lowkey) doesn't mean that you're not, y'know, showing status like a peacock.

The non Gynocentric version of the Red Pill is actually MGTOW (and this is where the core difference lies). The Red Pill is focused on working themselves to the glorified 5 percent of males that get to pump and dump without repercussions.

MGTOW is focused on throwing a wrench in the entire system that excludes 95 percent from Men living a 'normal' life based on the ludicrous social changes we've had over the years.

Nullberri · 2018-05-06T03:12:17+00:00

Their whole philosophy is "be alpha" and "lift lift lift, make money" and "maintain frame", but really all they're doing is dedicating their whole existence to being EXACTLY what women want them to be.

whoosh the point has soar'd right over your head. The point of the red pill is to lay out the rules that define female attraction. It doesn't generally make any claim that you should be playing this game. however if you want to get laid without using a prostitute, you're going to have to play their game. They are the sexual selectors, you merely offer your goods.

The redpill is about maximizing that, helping you claw your way to the top of a shitty game. If you don't want to play, then don't.

but at the end of the day they're really just slaves to society's expectations of men.

yes, no shit. Do you want to get laid or not? Play the game if you do.

BachelorInc · 2018-05-06T08:35:21+00:00

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theguywhopostnot · 2018-05-06T04:38:24+00:00

the thing is gaining muscle raises your testosterone levels. increased testosterone levels + muscles = greater confidence. With higher level of confidence, you're more likely to succeed in many fields of your life (one including women). Redpill shit posts really overly focuses on women because its a big endgoal for many but redpill is really more about becoming the best and most able male you can be. The sidebar material and the book lists are where the best of TRP is available. I wouldnt focus on the daily shitposts too often, theres a lot of them.

TomR83 · 2018-05-06T01:50:39+00:00

For some people such character change may be harmful, eg. they may loose customers if suddenly they changer from a nice-guy-who-cares-about-customers image to some kind of dangerously looking, dominant aloof alpha type. Who would want to buy from such a disgusting creature.

lister777 · 2018-05-06T05:06:13+00:00

PUAs are children without a male identity and looking to find one. They are full beta who copy, follow and comply instead of creating, leading and challenging. http://patriargate.com/sjw-pua-indentity-crisis/

veganhitler · 2018-05-06T06:06:06+00:00

Yeah, but they're men. And we need to stick together.

Ghengis khan conqured half the world by uniting the Mongols, not dividing them.

BachelorInc · 2018-05-06T09:10:18+00:00

I can't agree more with you OP. And that shit keeps spilling over more and more into MGTOW....

" Oh, chicks are ALPHA-WIDOWED...Women settle for a beta, that's why their relationships don't work out ". I'm getting sick of seeing this type of shit in MGTOW.

Truth is, PUA's co-opted TRP on reddit. The original RP wasn't like that in the Manosphere.

Really tired of seeing MGTOW assign blame onto men about women's shitty behavior, as though if a man was just "ALPHA" all women would fall into line.

Can't turn a whore into a housewife, no matter WHO you are.

leadfarmer154 · 2018-05-06T13:04:26+00:00

Don't lump every guy into a beta category just because he makes good money and takes care of his body.

I lift weights for me. So when I look in the mirror I like what I see. The gym is my therapy. I get my aggression out while I'm there. And the entire time I'm lifting my mind is exactly where it wants to be. Complete focus.

I also make good money, and that is 100% for me. It's so I can afford nice things and put a great deal into my retirement.

I do these things for me. And I know a lot of other guys in the gym who have the exact same mindset. Please don't lump every guy who wants to be a healthy weight as a slave to pussy.

the_unseen_one · 2018-05-06T18:29:03+00:00

I can't believe how many man devote 90%+ of their existence just to have women possibly acknowledge their existence. It's pathetic, honestly.

geocitiesuser · 2018-05-06T18:32:27+00:00

Upvote friend. TRP is in denial.

ZcytheP · 2018-05-06T04:59:49+00:00

Well, if you stop doing something JUST because women have an opinion on it, that's just allowing them into your life. If you're going to do something, do it for yourself. TRP, most of them anyway, lift just because they like to flex at themselves in the mirror, and that's fine for them, that's their hobby. Whatever a man chooses to spend his hard earned time and money on is HIS BUSINESS,nobody else has a claim to his time and money. That's exactly what MGTOW is all about, what my particular way is, at least. No woman, no man, no government entity has a stake to a mans pot o gold.

magx01 · 2018-05-06T07:17:19+00:00

If women suddenly became attracted to fat guys they'd all be posting about how to cram a week's worth of calories into each meal.

DeepConfusion98 · 2018-05-06T07:53:19+00:00

They are delusional. They think being TRP makes you alpha. It doesn't, and at best you are at your maximum potential. The attractiveness curve drops exponentially for the bottom 30% of men. These men are basically undatable and takes an insane amount of energy to attract even a normal woman. TRP works only if you have some sort of attractiveness in the first place.

kiwi_like_me · 2018-05-06T07:53:30+00:00

It's funny because for me, just minding my own business has proven more attractive to women than I could have imagined. ... And I am no Adonis.

HansKrinkelSchneider · 2018-05-06T08:23:32+00:00

Don't feel bad Op.

Most of TRP dudes are a skip and a jump from a rape allegation or getting Poundmetoo'd.

They think game and dark triad is gonna save them?

Think again.

HeartlessSam · 2018-05-06T08:57:25+00:00

lol thats not really red pill... thats more pua... bro science stuff

AnAverageWanker · 2018-05-06T10:24:04+00:00

be alfa, lift lift lift and make money is what i read a lot here as well, like you have to do all of that to go your own way

money is not my primary concern and never will be

yet i understand people that are following it, just saying that there is a lot of way

monaco_hodl · 2018-05-06T10:54:13+00:00

They are simply well trained dogs doing as they are told to keep the masters (females) happy.

unpluggedoasis · 2018-05-06T11:17:02+00:00

All the self-improvement they preach is great but they do it for the wrong reasons. I started @ TRP and it led me here despite success with women. MGTOW is the only smart move.

mgtowthrow1996 · 2018-05-06T14:14:56+00:00

Your biggest problem is you’re not holding alpha frame BrOoOoO

charmedpig · 2018-05-06T15:45:28+00:00

So I'll lead off by saying I think eating right, standing up for yourself, focusing on excellence and getting exercise are good things. If you learned that from TRP, good for you.

Now regarding going after pussy:

I think some people need bullshit to motivate them. Kind of like people that wouldn't do a kind deed or donate to charity unless they thought God was watching them. I have no doubt some of the buff pussy chasers used to be fat, slovenly, depressed, and unproductive people.

I went to high school with a real douche bag who looked for any excuse to fight people and cause trouble. I remember he wanted to fight me over some piddly thing. Fast-forward a few years: He ballooned to ridiculous size, was arrested multiple times for assault, and then discovered one of those life coach MLM schemes where you eat right, exercise, and become a life coach. The man now exercises, eats right, doesn't assault people. He's a fitness life coach now. He posts absurd photos of him flexing and preparing healthy meals. Jacked as hell, he probably could squash me now if he was still bitter about our teenage dispute. I think it's stupid, but it was his motivation. He managed to take his shitty attitude and bravado and putting it into something not destructive, and it's probably is the best he can do. It's certainly better than him being in prison or making other people's lives miserable. The last thing anyone should do is shatter his fitness guru image, because he'll go right back to his old ways.

And I get to wondering--the PUA thing, and the neo fascists telling guys to get jacked and conquer women--I wonder if so many people need bullshit to not self destruct. Some people can thrive in nihilism as they can create their own purpose (me, you, many in the mgtow community). Others melt down and die slow deaths: obesity, addiction, violence, depression, etc.

Female approval and a taste of vag may be a shitty goal, but for some it might be the one thing, however sad, that motivates them not not be shitty themselves.

What do you folks think?

ManGoingtoTOWn · 2018-05-06T16:15:41+00:00

You should definitely lift to stay fit and hate feminism more.

Pellaeon_redpill · 2018-05-06T16:20:34+00:00

Meh, there's nothing inherently "submissive" about TRP advice. It is a means to end. If you want to learn how to fight, you learn martial arts. That doesn't make you "submissive" to fighting, though you can become obsessed, same as everything.

If you want to get laid, you learn TRP and PUA. Certainly, many people get too bogged down into treating it more as a moral imperative than as prescriptive means to an end, but that is more of a problem with the culture than the material itself.

CashMoneyPimp · 2018-05-06T16:52:24+00:00

What's the philosophy of being fit, focusing on career and not pussy? Alpha Autismo I reckon, because you're alpha fit but autismo focusing on money.

taboo_name_bot · 2018-05-06T22:56:50+00:00

Oh boy, this thread again..TRP is basicly one step before MGTOW. We're biologically hardwired to want women so being MGTOW is a gigantic decision on a lifestyle most can't complete even if they know better. It's a understandably hard thing to do if you like pussy. I'm mgtow and I still like pussy even though I basicly avoid women. Be happy they get the main points.

Thunderfin · 2018-05-21T04:21:12+00:00

dedicating their whole existence to being EXACTLY what women want them to be.

That's just not true.

AdamAlamgir · 2018-05-06T09:07:00+00:00

Why do u care?

Morphs_ · 2018-05-06T09:23:52+00:00

Their whole philosophy is "be alpha" and "lift lift lift, make money" and "maintain frame", but really all they're doing is dedicating their whole existence to being EXACTLY what women want them to be.

This really shows you have not understood the core conceps of TRP.

For example, you have to understand the dualistic sexual strategy in women first and foremost. From that point, AF/BB applies. TRP teaches guys to be AF, lifting raises SMV in a direct way, but it also changes the mindset, it's healthy, etc. "Making money" is a BB trait and guys on TRP actually advocate AGAINST showing off how much money you make because that inadvertently will put you in the beta/provider role.

Having trouble understanding the paragraph above because of the acronyms? Then you clearly haven't understood the basic principles of TRP, so you're just coming across as a dumbass. Read the sidebar.

Koschei5000 · 2018-05-06T12:32:26+00:00

10000 other posters have already said this numbnuts

Title	Red Pill is beta as fuck
Author	Rdt767
Upvotes	243
Comments	121
Date	May 6, 2018 1:08 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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