I have seen all of my male relatives crushed by the thought of being single.

dialecticwizard · 2018-03-15T02:26:15+00:00

In one word: indoctrination. No different from religion, really.

ThrowawayGhostGuy1 · 2018-03-15T03:21:24+00:00

Besides the obvious blue pill aspect, older men aren’t as social as teens and men in their 20’s. The social life you take for granted at 17 isn’t there for most middle aged men.

TheRuralJuror918 · 2018-03-15T05:44:49+00:00

Wow.

I finally realize I am a true outlier.

I am despised by women for my very existence. They wouldn't even give me the time of day, or acknowledge I even exist.

I've simply grown accustomed to the fact that I am so unwanted that the state of being 'Single' is just natural now. For me, what other way is there? I know no other way to live. I have no women that have shown any remote interest in me over at least 15+ years.

I don't know why men think like that. To be honest, massive peer pressure from family, etc. Every family around this world seems to think that their 'lineage' will somehow be the King of a Kingdom someday. All 7 billion of us. Yea, I stopped trying to think about it rationally as well.

Anyway, even in school I am ignored (imagine that. someone above the age of 30 in college trying to better their lives) for 95% of the time, and assumed to be a creepy old rapist.

I've become a Grey Man. Which, the older I get, I think it's for the better.

funinsun10 · 2018-03-15T02:48:13+00:00

I am 41 and to answer your question..yes they were brought up to live in a family lifestyle. The culprit is the same gynocentric society we have today...basically media. All shows had families and their parents taught them that growing up meant having a family. Singles were usually alcoholics or addicted to drugs. Plus sex releases endorphines like drugs...having sex is better than masturbating..I'll have to give them that..but this is no reason to sell your soul...they just were never able to see that...technology and more women in work brings more temptation for women to cheat than anytime in history..women weren't known in the past to be so scandolous because of opportunity not morals. Now when the shoe is on the other foot..we see that there preserved personalities from the past were more of a result from simply not having the means. The worst thing about men is that in the beginning of a relationship women cater to your ego..they are not who they really are..they all are seeing their man as a resource..this is not their fault its genetic wiring...its men's fault for believing that they are loved for their personality...if you have money..non violent...not completely ugly..and blue pill..you are in their sites. These women know how to make you feel good about yourself..and I'm sure your family members fit the bill and got caught up in this feeling, from a woman who has assessed the relationship benefits with being with them, now its teeth are securely in the neck and theres no escape...haha...scary ending lol

2018-03-15T03:10:15+00:00

They were most likely raised in nuclear families and fed a constant stream of books, TV shows, movies and advertising depicting married men with children and loyal loving wives. The media used to use terms like "family man", "husband", and "father of three" as terms of respect.

Their minds formed in an environment that no longer exists and their minds are stuck there.

AReditAccount · 2018-03-15T04:58:48+00:00

I can't think of anything more liberating than being single.

Feminism has sold men the lie that they 'need' a woman to have a fulfilling successful life. Nothing could be further from the truth.

2018-03-15T08:14:14+00:00

It's because they have no ambition and drive in life and without pussy their existence is completely empty. Do you think Napoleon conquered half of Europe for pussy? Or Beethoven wrote his work to lay more pipe?

That's what a simp would have you believe - that any and all of man's great achievements happened because man wanted to put his pee pee into a wet hole. In reality great men saw that sex and life is generally pretty boring and wondered: "Hmmm.. what else is out there?"

Hfujfzhhtz · 2018-03-15T09:46:42+00:00

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Shimakaze4 · 2018-03-15T03:14:55+00:00

There is nothing you can do, they either choose the red or the blue pill. They get depressed because they tie their entire self worth to the ability to get pussy. They have not realised the game is rigged and that women are mostly just users.

2018-03-15T02:51:40+00:00

"I saw the best minds of a generation destroyed by madness. "

-Allan Ginsberg.

NotMyWomen · 2018-03-15T06:05:34+00:00

Brainwashing, all day, starting at school, and at night over dinner conversations, for decades nonstop.

xEman26x · 2018-03-15T07:25:16+00:00

Niggas act crazy for pussy it scientifically has been shown to lower brain performance.

It's sad but true. You never know how you react til your in a situation

DWShimoda · 2018-03-15T04:03:31+00:00

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2018-03-15T06:30:43+00:00

Fear of the unknown. Same reason why I havn't quit my job yet.

Most_Insane_F2P · 2018-03-15T09:05:52+00:00

The most scary thing is a men ready to lose it all.

A free man is a dangerous man.

xxlastyetixx · 2018-03-15T03:05:51+00:00

Technology and commodities have their darks side too. The way it affects our culture, society ,and the individuals exposed. Its a gamble ,an experiment and we are the Ginny pigs. Too much of anything is no good. Comfort , and Dependency has made us weak. Im an advocate for self-reliance. Learn to hunt and farm, learn to build shelter, and learn self defense. First world problems indeed! When your cold, starving and tired non of that bullshit matters!

Ohboohoolittlegirl · 2018-03-15T08:22:40+00:00

Conditioning.. and they are still trying, however during their prime-time, women weren't as blatantly slutty and trashy as they are now. They believe in the idea that you are a "loser" if you are alone..

2018-03-15T12:44:53+00:00

I mean, i'm 35 and I live alone. I couldn't imagine living any other way. I've earned this shit lol

2018-03-15T04:42:54+00:00

Because they're weak deballed men. Thats why.

Blogginginvicecity · 2018-03-15T06:15:23+00:00

I feel this was a good post! It's a refreshing alternative to a lot of posts here

It's community/family/cultural social influence that establishes such a value system. For me, even one day of staying with my parents and I feel like I'm falling into their mindset and lifestyle.

SuperBlown · 2018-03-15T06:52:36+00:00

Most people that are afraid of being alone hate themselves and can't stand their own thoughts. Misery loves company

AllForTheGains · 2018-03-15T07:28:39+00:00

The majority of guys will settle down with a bitch that has been ran through, just so that they won't be alone. Fuck that shit!

avtarius · 2018-03-15T07:37:32+00:00

In a time where all you had was physical reading material, physical hangout locations, and lots less in terms of options for entertainment, yah sure it does help to have an SO around.

Now we have too much we can do and not enough time if we really wanted to do everything desired. In fact now it feels so much better to retreat/hide.

AggressiveChlamydia · 2018-03-15T08:16:21+00:00

Social pressure, middle-aged social life is harder, and years of indoctrination. There isn't much else.

2018-03-15T09:56:12+00:00

Why? Because it's hard-wired in them to seek pair bonding. Which is why we are the more evolved creature. For we are capable of being more than just our primitive nature. And we certainly don't NEED to be in a relationship. We certainly don't NEED sex. But you must understand that is our biological imperative. Perhaps it is in our nature to see women's sexual availability in terms of scarcity. Only the alpha thinks in terms of sexual abundance and not everyone is hard-wired for the 'alpha fucks' mindset.

You also have to understand that gynocentrism social conditions men to also head to the plantation. And that without a woman they must feel lack. But ultimately, I will say that it is hard-wired.

MGTOW is then an evolved state. We know its all bullshit. Kind of like eating a cake may taste great but it's illusionary because it's simply a bunch of mechanisms telling your brain that it tastes great. And it can also make you fat. Therefore simps are the gluttons. But it's in their nature to be and the self-entitlement of women certainly hasn't helped things.

MGTOW men are capable of being something more. Something greater. We are capable of saying no to a cheating sloot who wants to fuck us when they have a husband or boyfriend at home. We are capable of loyalty. We are capable of honour. We are the capable gender.

So do not look down upon them. For they are only hard-wired to do so. Those that have taken the red pill are aware of their mechanism within them. They are able to resist due to their red pill awakening. But you must also be aware that society is encouraging these men every step of the way.

stupidonparade · 2018-03-15T11:48:45+00:00

Save your money, save a little every month of your life. Do things that enrich your life. Then, at the end, when you need a woman to take care of you, you’ll have money to pay her and she’ll be wearing a nurse’s uniform.

CursingWhileNursing · 2018-03-15T12:37:31+00:00

As someone else already pointed out, older men usually do not have as many social contacts as a 17 year old. Also, the nature of their social contacts usually changes dramatically.

When you are 17 and without a girlfriend, this is still seen as normal. When you are 43, it's not. When you are 17, most of your friends will be single or in changing relationhips. When you are 43, most of your male friends are married, have kids and are in the treadmill. Many of them have vanished, because wifey hates your guts. (Happened to me and my best friend of 15 years. He simply... vanished from my life. Just a few weeks ago he re-surfaced after almost 5 years without contact. After he dumped his wife.) And a lot of them will keep a distance, because seeing you being free of all that shit makes them feel resentful and bitter.

When you are in your 40s, you living alone and having no kids is seen as an aberration from the norm. It is seen as weird in the best case and as a danger to society at best.

And to be honest, the cases you are describing here don't seem to be cases of men being depressive because they are single or afraid of being a single. To me it looks as if they fell victim to the perpetual shaming, blaming and mindgames of their "significant others". I really don't think them being afraid of being alone is the problem here.

But there is one thing that was kind of hard to me to accept and which usually plays no role in the thoughts of a 17 year old. I really had problems coming to terms with the fact that I will never have children. Still have from time to time.

cleats4u · 2018-03-15T14:12:59+00:00

This society grooms men to compete for women starting in high school. Your a loser if you don't have a girlfriend. At least MGTOW has arrived for the younger generation to offset this bullshit. There are still middle aged men out there walking around doing anything it takes to get pussy. It's all they know and how they were raised to believe. They have had girlfriends since high school. Women are really a status symbol to them. They are nobody without a woman, it's like not having a car to drive. And they won't stop until they get one.

OldTimeyENT · 2018-03-15T09:48:07+00:00

Some people just cannot unplug man. My father is the biggest cuck I have ever seen in real life. It was infuriating to witness and be powerless too stop. You are stronger than most, be proud of that fact alone.

Sadly, you will never change them. They will devour you if you get in the way, or if their wife says so. I personally cannot respect men that weak, therefore I rarely even see my own father. I guess what I am saying is be ready to walk away from family.

lovestoread1958 · 2018-03-15T10:20:41+00:00

They are dependent mama's boys. The single life can be a wonderful trip-Im 59 M and never married

2018-03-15T10:38:28+00:00

Normies like to hurt themselves, dude.

Ultimat4 · 2018-03-15T10:51:00+00:00

First world problems too much things to do do, life's to easy no external threat to keep us on our toes.

need a world wide event to shake our reality

2018-03-15T15:41:13+00:00

One word. Weakness. Weakness of mind weakness of soul of spirit of character.

Another word worship. They worship woman like God

0kool74 · 2018-03-15T17:01:53+00:00

Was their generation just taught "if you have no wife, you have failed at life and have let society down"??

THAT......IS......EXACTLY......WHAT......THEY......WERE......TAUGHT!!!!! Whether it be directly or indirectly, this as programmed into them and they just don't have the balls to cut off the switch.

2018-03-15T17:37:03+00:00

Yes the generation of the baby boomers - until the 2000's was the most cucked of all time. Post world war 2, many brave men died in the front line. Women filled in the gaps in the factories, socialism poured in. Sexual liberation, condoms, no fault divorce and abortion. Pornography, unhealthy diets, drugs. This was only countered by subcultures that had no fucks given messages, such as punk, hiphop and the like. Feminism 2.0 started having its impact in society. Youths were subconsciously rebelling. Cities filled up with graffiti, and men who were willing to die young rather than become a corporate married cuck. Then in the 90's you had an intense cucked culture, but the men were starting to regroup in the internet. Women nature secrets started pouring out. In the night clubs you could see it right in front of you. You suddenly could get women easy as long as you had the looks and the game. PUA thrived. Feminism intensified with PUA, because PUAs are simps. Crysis of 2008 leaves no doubt to what is happening to society, women desperately push further with extreme obnoxious 3rd wave feminism and an army of sjw cucks, to which unfortunately at the time didnt seem bad to me (Obama). The truth keeps not getting out. 2010 - PUAs downfall. PUAs starts suffering from rape accusations, health problems, stds, and lots of shit from dealing with women - and nightclubs no longer effective because tinder and social media become dominant. TRP emerges. TRP ends with the same issues as PUA, although with a better understanding of the status quo, and more power to men. Men start connecting all the dots and Mgtow emerges as the ultimate truth, to finally liberate men not only from women but from the social expectations that are often oppressive and unhealthy for a man to comply with.

The problem started in the enlighment era. When priviledges were granted on a plate to women who already had a priviledged position in society under the guise of equality and democracy.

Things change. And men are told the same story, to comply with old rules, to work, to be a slave, even when the game has changed. Men and society take time to adapt. If the law tomorrow changes and decriminalizes the sexual harassment witchunt, you will still gonna get socially ostracized for a decade. We are the dogs of pavlov, we still drool when the bells ring yet there is not meat for us. We are still indoctrinated and brainwashed with old concepts of marriage, as if they are good for us, and men are taught through all the means of the powers that be to be afraid of being alone and stand for themselves. The media, and the gynocratic school system are just a few. Marriage changed so much since it was first invented yet men only slowly adapted.

Back in times when marriage was invented, men were going their own way. The roman republic was falling. Similar to america right now, you had augustus as the roman trump. Roman judeochristian marriage was we know it was invented right there. Men only started marrying because religion and the state gave full rights and power over the women to men, but this was to protect women, because like i said, men were just pumping and dumping. By restricting women so much, marriage became acceptable to men, because they had full control on the wombs of the women. Otherwise the state knew not even bachelor laws were working to make men care for women, therefore women lived in misery, and civil wars were rampant. This was how marriage was invented, to protect women, so that we men dont all just act like Tyrones. Of course men would never marry if the present cucked conditions were presented back then, they would be the butt of the joke for the roman men, and women would suffer tremendously because no men could afford to be called a cuck back then. Add into that, that there was no paternity tests and no condoms, and you definitely needed a strict law, like christian or sharia law, to make women at least acceptable for a man to even consider staying around... Basically the laws and the culture of today will be one day the butt of the joke for the future men. Like when we use to question how could slaves in ancient egypt not revolt? How can men marry today? Its a mix of indoctrination and dogmatic thought deeply ingrained in the minds of modern men..........

You have to realize some of these social events are intertwined and their repercurssions in society are delayed, and for example you have TRP and MGTOW at the same time now, but mgtow is clearly more than to earth and more realistic than TRP.

2018-03-15T17:50:48+00:00

Zugginz, there can be a few explanations for this. One or all may apply. First, older men were still part of a culture that believed a man was not complete unless he had a wife. A man was expected to be married except for extenuating circumstances. To not have a wife was suspicious, are you were often viewed as either a reject, a loser, a homosexual, or a deviant.

The second reason, more practical, is that men were not taught how to fend for themselves on the domestic front. They did not know how to cook or clean or wash clothes. This was seen as "women's work" and most men chose to remain completely ignorant about it. So they needed a wife to handle all these things.

Third, there is a fear among many against growing old alone. The image of an old man, sitting alone, wasting away on sofa scares a lot of men because that is what they see. What if they fall down, or have a heart attack and no on is there to help? People fear dying alone, even though in the end, that's exactly what everybody does.

But the mindset among men now is radically changing because the world around us has changed radically.

2018-03-15T18:51:58+00:00

The only thing that crushes me is the thought of being in a relationship or worse yet being married.

imthetaxman826 · 2018-03-15T22:30:46+00:00

"It's what we're expected to do." Simple.

Short story. I had a great marriage- sure we had a few peaks and valleys-but we were very happy. We both worked and shared responsibilities- more on that. Raised our kids, got them through college and started to enjoy the empty nest. Then I lost her.

Within months, I started dating and met a wonderful woman. We really clicked in every way and started making plans for her to move in to my home. Immediately, things started changing. She wanted to remodel some areas of my home. Okay, I got that. Didn't want to live in another woman's home. Then she started referring to my home as "our" home. Huge red flag. So I started a mental inventory of where I was at.

I could do whatever I wanted. I was becoming accustomed to that.
I was self-sufficient...I knew how to cook, clean, do laundry and perform any task I needed to do. Thank you, beloved wife!
Financially secure (don't ever mention that on a dating site-the Russians will be coming!)
I'm somewhat introverted and enjoy my solitude.
Strong social circle of old friends.
Being the nice guy that I am, I did not want to move her in (after she sold her home) just to ask her to leave six months later.

So I came to my senses and ixnayed cohabitation. I loved being married, but been there, done that and I like my "new normal." She was not happy, but moved on with her life. We still have a relationship but it's LD. We see each other exclusively then part ways. One of my married friends told me I had the best of both worlds, three days on, the rest off. I agree. And if she wants to move on completely, I'd be saddened but I know women are still interested in me and many do think like me. Add-not interested in women under 45.

I think many men who find themselves single again (mostly those over 50 and divorced/financially emasculated) need a "nurse and a purse." They are completely clueless about running a house solo and making all the decisions. I see these guys at the supermarket all the time...processed/premade food, beer and cheap box wine.

I built a new world after tragedy an I'm not mucking things up. I do not need, nor do I want to be cared for by a woman.

mgtowthrow1996 · 2018-03-15T23:42:56+00:00

Still tied up by BP programming that they've been brought up their entire life.

I've been single (almost) all my life, fuck hookers, dropped out of university, started my own business, and live life on my own terms. It's the best freaking life I could've ever asked for. And I have decades to go of it.

I'm infinitely happier than I was with a girlfriend, in school, and living life according to societies lie.

Original_Username7 · 2018-03-16T03:42:13+00:00

The programming runs deep. My father is the same way. He tells me he hopes that I can find someone again (after I got divorced fucked and was pushed to the verge of suicide). All the while he is fucking miserable and regularly suicidal in the relationship with my psycho mom. She's always nagging him, dominating him, wasting his every dime he slaves over and then even regularly threatens to divorce him. It's like he's programmed to get his meaning/pride from being abused by a woman. I honestly can't understand how he doesn't see how his desire for me to get married again is absolutely insane. I'm freaking happy right now and he's miserable. Like I said, the programming runs deep. It took me years to deprogram myself from how they raised me. Now I love my life being MGTOW and I don't take any shit from anyone :)

2018-03-15T11:58:07+00:00

if you really want a child, get a surrogate. it's $40-70k for the baby depending on what country you do it in, and $25k/year for an au pair.

SlainFunicle · 2018-03-15T13:06:34+00:00

they where brainwashed from an early age

Mchooofer · 2018-03-15T13:44:20+00:00

Brainwashing. Romantic movies, weddings, your braindead friends and family members.. its so deep into society that its hard not to see it in every direction you look..

UnKnownSurviving · 2018-03-15T14:13:12+00:00

My dad got pissed at me for calling him out on chasing overweight 33 year old, single mother pussy

That's disgusting.

One of my uncles almost went to the point of shooting other family members because some crazy ass landwhale he knew for a grand total of 1 year was trying to convince him to.

That's a problem. He's a man. He's the head of the house hold. He shouldn't even listen to her. He could end up in prison for it. The bitch has plans for something, and she love him for something and it ain't him.

What are you looking for in terms mentor? Sometime family isn't always the way to go. For instance, the only family I know is my mother, and aunt. And i grew up most of the women in the family household. And their advice don't work. (On relationship. It's bullshit.)

I don't look up to my mother or my aunt. Instead, I look up to men of the old world. Find books that talks about masculinity, or whatever you're looking for.

orionface · 2018-03-15T14:28:05+00:00

Pretty sure the babyboomers generation mostly grew up with the line of thought - go to school - get job - get married - have kids - and that's about it. Through movies and tv and society in general reinforcing that I can see how it can really damage someone when they aren't on that road. I did think like this earlier in life (early 20s) but when I think about it 90% of my friends parents were divorced, mine got divorced. Dad's a good guy but ended up paying thousands in lawyer bills and child support. Just doesn't make any sense to walk that path. It works for the few but most end up getting screwed.

2018-03-15T17:04:01+00:00

You need as much as you tell yourself you need. If they trap themselves in a box mentally, the fruits of that will be what you'd expect to happen from living in a box.

I have seen all of my male relatives crushed by the thought of being single.

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Title	I have seen all of my male relatives crushed by the thought of being single.
Author	Zugginz
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Date	March 15, 2018 2:21 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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