What is MGTOWs stance on Surrogacy?

deadBeefCafe2014 · 2018-03-01T04:00:51+00:00

MGTOW dad here.

Kids are a hell of a lot of work, and I had mine when I was all blue pilled. It changes you life forever in ways you can never get rid of.

I would not advise it unless you have a hell of a support network, because you will absolutely need it.

RareForevernk · 2018-03-01T04:26:00+00:00

I'm very confident I could raise a better human being than a lot of people. I sometimes entertain the notion of raising 1 offspring of a biologically supreme couple if they paid me, and for everything related to the child. It could be planned very thoroughly. Where the kid goes to grows up, with who around them. Every detail of the house they would be raised in. The neighborhood they grow up in, the community, the school they go to, what afterschool activities they will study, their hobbies, what clothes they will wear, what car they will drive. Haircuts, everything. We could plan times where the parents could 'just so happen to walk by' the child to see them, or even ask them a nonchalant question like 'where is the train' and then walk away. Kid would never know unless he or she is told. Pair me with beautiful woman doing the same for others and we can raise them together. It could be a very purposeful life.

DJDickJob · 2018-03-01T04:42:13+00:00

No. No more babies. Please.

lostapwbm · 2018-03-01T06:05:42+00:00

Surrogacy is an idea whose time has finally come.

The state of Arkansas has held that surrogacy contracts are enforceable. Iowa is moving towards validating surrogacy contracts. The surrogate mother surrenders any and all rights to the child upon birth.

If your goal is to raise a child without a woman, it's best to pick one of the few pro-surrogacy states and start looking for a woman interested in the contract.

Putin4Obama · 2018-03-01T04:35:05+00:00

22 here, but with similar aspirations. One way to go about this is to freeze your sperm (because older sperm has more deleterious mutations), spend the next 6-10 or so years saving up and investing $ for surrogacy + retirement (monk mode), then have like 1-2 kids and homeschool them (if you want) and work part time. Once your kids get older, you can go on adventures with them, travel the world, teach them skills, and live a fun life as super dad.

If a foreign surrogate is cheaper but reliable, go with that.

Wisdom thing: The Buddha said that the greatest source of a male householder (non-monastic man)’s joy is a wife and his kids. Wife isn’t viable as an option, but having kids and fatherhood are true treasures, especially when they are 5+ years old and smart enough to learn.

kingscabber · 2018-03-01T09:02:04+00:00

If I had the money then i would definitely have a child via surrogacy. My parents (who I adore) would love a grandchild and I would like someone to look after and entertain me in my old age.

x201s · 2018-03-02T05:28:08+00:00

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icemanthrowaway123 · 2018-03-01T03:36:52+00:00

You're missing the point of mgtow. While many men here have kids from their pre-mgtow days (some even enjoying fatherhood) it's about not having anyone else dependent on you OR able to destroy your world OR able to influence YOUR decisions except the number one (you).

A child is quite the opposite of that.

NiceIce · 2018-03-01T04:33:13+00:00

Strongly against it. I don't want children. Never have, never will.

kirenex · 2018-03-01T05:43:22+00:00

Sandman on youtube covers it quite well

What_WouldJohnCenaDo · 2018-03-01T07:42:31+00:00

Mgtow supporters say single mothers shouldn’t be a thing so why should single fathers?

Asian_Prodegy · 2018-03-01T08:49:41+00:00

Haven't there been surrogate mothers who successfully filed for alimony/something similar?

ToFat2Run · 2018-03-01T11:38:05+00:00

Go monk mode, it's the only way at this point.

kryptomancer · 2018-03-02T11:51:39+00:00

I've come to the conclusion marriage is too great of a risk with no fault divorce,

Correct. It also has zero benefits to begin with.

social media, dating apps, and feminism making the majority of women unworthy of motherhood.

Correct.

Aside from adoption

Married couples have an incredibly hard time adopting, it is virtually impossible for a single man because it is assumed that compared to women men suck at raising children (the data suggests the opposite is true) or that there will be abuse.

what are your thoughts on surrogacy?

From what I've read, feminism's true end game is actually population control and demographics shift. Genetic north-western Europeans with enlightenment values are just impossible to control. TPTB don't care if you become a married wage slave or a childless MGTOW hermit. Both outcomes fulfill the end goal.

But.... wide use of surrogacy would completely change the equation. Imagine if the artificial womb was commercially available, imagine the kind of disruption that would cause. Buying a donor egg in Europe and then hiring a surrogate in Ukraine or India would functionally and legally be the same thing. The best example I've seen of this is Cristiano Ronaldo. Gay couples also often use this strategy.

I can just imagine the panic when post wall CC riders can't even nail down a rich beta that wants to have children bceause he already is using his wealth to raise his surrogate kids. Maybe he can hire her as a nanny/maid.

kirenex · 2018-03-01T06:16:03+00:00

Idk about adoption... I mean all men are supposed pedophiles and rapists. But if you can i think it would be cheaper

Title	What is MGTOWs stance on Surrogacy?
Author	x201s
Upvotes	17
Comments	29
Date	March 1, 2018 3:27 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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