Question From an Outsider

Morb357 · 2017-04-07T04:05:46+00:00

My answer to your first question. I wouldn't believe her bullshit. Why? Because women are already doing this to combat our philosophy or to find an "in". I may fuck this chick, but no LTR's or marriage and if she really does share these beliefs; she should understand.

Answer to question 2. I can't speak for most MGTOW's but as someone over 40 who has been through it; yes, all women are manipulative. They are moved by emotion, not logic so they want what they want when they want it and can justify any behavior.

I hope this helps.

manthrowingmyownway · 2017-04-07T04:46:14+00:00

If she was hot, and engaged in sex with me, I would remain in contact with her until she monkey branched on to the next one.

Make sure to get frequent STD checkups, since she will cheat at some point.

You could call it girlfriend or whatever.

Never marry.
Never cohabitate.

2017-04-07T04:07:24+00:00

What if you, as a MGTOW, were to meet a woman you are attracted to who agrees with the MGTOW philosophy. She agrees that society is fucked up with the whole court-case bias, the institution of marriage, dating conventions; she even agrees that many women are manipulative.* She sees a relationship as a form of companionship built on love and trust. Would you consider being in a relationship with her?

I think you're trying to describing about unicorns here. Listen kid unicorns don't exist.

Do most MGTOWs think that all women are manipulative?

AWALT(All Women Are Like That).

Rhodesius · 2017-04-07T04:25:32+00:00

I think people in general are manipulative, not just women. People manipulate others without even being aware of it.

The woman you're describing is an ideal, she doesn't exist.

mrp_1844 · 2017-04-07T05:51:59+00:00

She agrees that society is fucked up with the whole court-case bias,

Even if she was miss perfect. The court system has not changed, so the risk is to high.

toerrisbadsyntax · 2017-04-07T06:48:11+00:00

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KingBu · 2017-04-07T05:23:47+00:00

Everyone GTOW in their own way

For some it's hating women (AWALT), others because they see no point. We're united under one umbrella, but we're by and far different from one another in our resolve and motivation.

StillSingleTho · 2017-04-07T04:50:29+00:00

Nope.

Because AWALT.

HIGHLORDOFSHITSTAINS · 2017-04-07T05:01:35+00:00

Eaaa.. I'd keep my eye on her. I know that trends are shifting and women are gearing themselves up to actually seeing shit for what shit really is.

I'd still keep my distance. If i had a girlfriend or wife??.. I couldn't run a business or do shit that i like.. and that's HARD WORK. Because she would try and take up my time. But i know that if i raise my value as a man.. she would be "cool with me working long hours".. but then she would eventually hen peck her way in on my money making time. Cause they all do it.

And look at all these words that I've had to come up with just to justify me even considering being in a relationship.

I was thinking about this ealier today when i was out with a bro having lunch.

It honestly doesn't fit me right now. Maybe a fuck buddy situation??.. But that's weird to me. Honestly.. I'm in love with money. And helping people. I got no time for a relationship.

But in my head I'm thinking where the fuck was she to help me with my drinking problem? Where was she when the gun was in my mouth?

People.. or women mostly just want the "finished product" they don't want to see how the burger was made. The road of hardship a guy goes through to become "the burger".. women just want to eat it. Cause it looks good (upping your smv)..

But dudes understand the grind. Or paying your dues. Women don't. They might see potential.. and fuckin pray he makes it before she gets old.

The lottery ticket theory said by the late n great Patrice O'Neal.. look it up he's interesting.

I wouldn't do it unless she had as much money to lose in the transaction.. BUT my time wasted on her.. i can't get that back.. and to me.. it's worth more then her money.

So yeah that's why I'm mgtow.. it's just not worth it to me.

plutosheen · 2017-04-07T07:16:16+00:00

Listen, the issue isn't with women. It's with society. Current society unfairly protects women much more than men. It disenfranchises men.

You could have a nawalt unicorn agreeing with u and all but the moment u marry, you're subjected to the same laws and the same cultural pressures that produces the dismal statistics.

She might not divorce you but she could and you will be under her power knowing that she could blow up anytime she likes.

shellbroth · 2017-04-07T07:33:54+00:00

She agrees that society is fucked up with the whole court-case bias, the institution of marriage, dating conventions; she even agrees that many women are manipulative.

Even if she agrees all that, when the breakup/divorce happen (and it's more likely to happen than otherwise, eventually) she still will use the whole extant of these integrality to fuck you up for her benefits.

Briffault's Law... As soon as she stop feeling for you, you don't exist to her anymore. You could have saved her life, gave her a kidney, rescued her from living in the street, whatever, it won't matter and she will treat you like scum because "what's in the past is in the past".

Darth_Bicycle · 2017-04-07T09:48:48+00:00

She agrees that society is fucked up with the whole court-case bias, the institution of marriage, dating conventions; she even agrees that many women are manipulative.

They are fickle. They can genuinely, honestly, with all their heart believe in one thing one moment, and then change on you and disregard what they believed before. On top of that the problem is at a cultural level: If your culture teaches you that it is OK to exploit other people and get away with it, then it's game over. You can't fight the entire culture on your own.

chester444 · 2017-04-07T06:23:48+00:00

see: AWALT

2017-04-07T06:45:38+00:00

hello. im glad to see someone willing to open the door. mgtow is a very different set of ideas for the new generation to live by and questions like this should be answered fairly and with honesty. i have yet to actually meet a woman who has agreed to anything close to what has been written, in fact many women who use empathy are often fishing to find out what that specific person is about. have you heard of sandman from youtube? he made a video about this some time ago about women accepting that they are damaged and damaging simply because they know nothing will happen to them. regardless of what a woman says when you first meet her, wait 6 months and ask again. you will get a new answer. and sadly being in a relationship in todays world is no different than committing suicide by your own hand. this entire system is designed around the idea that men are expendable since birth and their only way to have honor and dignity is to have a family and work your whole life and hopefully not die before you can retire and live off what money you have left if any should there be a divorce.

if you have feelings for a woman and would like to know what she really is then do this: have a very serious conversation about very hard topics and wait for her to answer, be sure to look in her eyes as she answers, you'll notice that she's watching you more to see if her answers are the right ones. that's what we call acting.

Iknownthin · 2017-04-07T10:32:39+00:00

No, because I want all my time and money for myself and my hobbies. My priorities are : 1-Me. 2-My friends. 3-Me again. There is no space for a romantic relationship in my life. Relationships are overrated. I already put too much effort into relationships in the past... not worth it.

fickle_fuck · 2017-04-07T11:43:31+00:00

There are some of us that generally agree with the MGTOW philosphy and are in relationships. For me it's not about bending over backwards, or to be a doormat, but to be at least an equal. There's nothing in my current relationship that my SO brings that I don't already have. I have friends who are good company. I make plenty of money and support myself quite well. She on the other hand cannot change her oil, climb in the attic, know basic plumbing or electrical, or do any number of tasks that I wouldn't bat an eye at. So when she has her moments (and they're rare) I simply walk away and wait. She could leave and that would be OK because all it would give me is more time and money to do the things I want. Would I be lonely and miss her? To a degree perhaps, but it's nothing that a six pack and some porn couldn't fix. Once you take pussy off the pedestal a woman has no power over you.

dumb_intj · 2017-04-07T11:55:21+00:00

The problem with your question is that ALL women say that relationships are built on love and trust. Unfortunately their actions never match their words in the long run. If there was some magic way to make certain that she only wished to become my partner out of pure "love" (ie appearance/status/money/external pressures don't factor in), then I'd consider it. How are you defining relationship? I would not marry anyone ever, but I'd be inclined to enter a friends-with-benefits type situation.

All MGTOWs think that women are unconsciously manipulative. They are not Machiavellian. They rarely are aware of what they're doing (eg hypergamy) which is how otherwise kind, empathetic women are mentally able to eviscerate former partners. Some women are intentionally manipulative, but for the most they're like children. They're not crying because they rationally think that's the best solution to their problem, they're having an involuntary emotional response that happens to benefit them.

KennyF91 · 2017-04-07T13:09:36+00:00

You can "date" a chic as a MGTOW but you'll be considered a deadbeat by most outsiders as living together, marriage and kids are not topics or themes for you. At best she's a loyal FWB you still keep at arms length and women may claim that they are fine with it, but a year or two they won't be even if the situation is beneficial to them because they operate off of feelings not logic

gods_bones · 2017-04-07T13:14:30+00:00

If she really were the perfect woman for me, we would meet smile at each other and have a few perfect weeks of sex before going off our separate ways. Maybe we would meet each other again once before we die, that's it.

nigelh · 2017-04-07T19:57:19+00:00

I'm sorry. Your 'example woman' is a unicorn. You can read about unicorns but they don't actually exist.
The sad truth is AWALT. Not all the time but in the end they will all revert to type and pull the gotcha. If you meet a woman who looks like a unicorn take a deep breath and walk away. Take up something comparatively low risk like base jumping.

NoThirst · 2017-04-07T23:09:40+00:00

...if you know anything about women you would know she could change her mind for no apparent reason in 30 seconds. It's NEVER worth the risk.

ThePenitentMan38 · 2017-04-07T04:48:32+00:00

...a woman...who agrees with the MGTOW philosophy...

Yeah right. Unicorns and fairy princesses exist, and pigs fly.

wordjedi · 2017-04-07T12:37:55+00:00

Absolutely. Just don't live under the same roof.

Title	Question From an Outsider
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Date	April 7, 2017 3:57 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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