do you think testosterone difference between sexes is what makes men more logic?

rustyspaniard · 2015-04-18T15:01:49+00:00

I think the causal arrow is the other way round; PC group think types who are incapable of thinking for themselves are very drawn to vegetarianism. On the other hand, Indians don't eat meat but I don't think they're emotional or illogical compared to Westerners, the majority of whom still eat meat. Japanese herbivore men are apparently very effeminate, but their behaviour is very very logical. So basically no, I don't think this is the case.

shlemon · 2015-04-18T15:29:53+00:00

Vegetarianism (and expecially veganism) does not correlate with low testosterone levels. You may be missing out on some testosterone in your food, but youre also missing on huge, huge dosages of estrogen - especially in dairy but also in meat.

And dont confuse the ethics of abusing animals with 'femininity' or MGTOW. They are totally different issues.

thrownaway_MGTOW · 2015-04-18T20:09:57+00:00

This idea comes to my mind as my friends who are vegetarians and not eating meat (which is raising testosterone) are definitely acting in a more feminine, emotional way. They are more weak mentally and basically act like they lost a pair..

Yes, they are linked. The western "vegetarian/vegan" diet is often high in soy products -- and is significantly different than the various "natural" vegetarian/vegan diets present in various nations and cultures (though they too have generally lower testosterone levels).

But, it isn't ONLY the vegetarian/vegan diet, the accumulation of body fat (generally just through overconsumption of carbs and subsequent sedentary behavior) has it's own hormonal effect, which is largely to increase estrogen and decrease testosterone; and yes that does have a "feminizing" effect; physically and mentally.

To your main question, it seems almost certain that it is hormones in the womb and during development of the fetus that alter not only the physical aspects of gender, but also certain minor (but key) differences within the brain, the so called "wiring"... Cf Simon Baron-Cohen's work.

And that seems to lead to the inherent gender difference (which does largely overlap, so we're talking degrees & tendencies here rather than black/white) in various aptitudes and focus: i.e. males tending to more logical, rational, object-based views; females tending to more emotional, relational, and subjective views.

Moreover the onset of puberty -- and the resultant hormonal surges -- contribute to a further, and quite notable, even obvious (except of course to those blindered by dogmatic/ideological views) differences; no doubt this is in part due to menstrual cycles in females, but diet as well as activity (i.e. exercise, types and intensities of work, especially physical labor) also undoubtedly alter the hormonal balance.

There is really nothing controversial or contentious about that at the root "science" level -- but alas, that doesn't stop people from attempting to muddy the waters because they don't LIKE the idea that gender (and expressions of gender) are inherently biological, and they prefer to impose their own subjective view on the matter -- ironic in a sense, yet also entirely predictable. (EDIT: And as an example of that kind of "emotional" behavior... the reaction of the various people to this post right now... someone isn't "haaapy" that the facts support your & my points here; so they downvote... LOL.)

MGTOW_philosopher · 2015-04-19T00:20:47+00:00

I have been a vegan for 11 years. I have higher than normal testosterone level. Plus, I'm not very emotional.

Subcommandante_Khan · 2015-04-20T23:37:47+00:00

Neuroanatomy states that most men are more logical, object oriented and most women are more relational, emotion oriented.

Notice I said "most". Regardless of your chromosomes, XY or XX, hormone levels in utero determine your brain gender. Gay male brains resemble female, gay female brains resemble male, within degrees of course.

oldredder · 2015-04-21T07:12:25+00:00

hard to say. I've met high-testosterone women who are logical. Could it be some hidden factor making both logical wiring in the brain and higher testosterone?

drkstrs · 2015-04-18T21:07:39+00:00

I don't eat much meat because good meat is very expensive. I refuse to eat factory farmed hormone and antibiotic loaded meat which is the default unless you pay the premiums.

weoguonin · 2015-04-22T04:34:05+00:00

everything about this post is an absolute fucking train wreck. maybe you need to get more 'testo' so you can be more 'logic'.

Title	do you think testosterone difference between sexes is what makes men more logic?
Author	Morranaii
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Comments	37
Date	April 18, 2015 12:50 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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