So Group A. or Group B. ?

DigitalScetis · 2016-06-07T05:02:57+00:00

This is a trend I've seen among many members of the greater manosphere community, mainly from the Roosh V PUA mentality, who have an inherent contempt towards men who adopt MGTOW values, but were brutally taken apart by MGTOW when they demonstrated this contempt.

So now we have folks like Aaron Clarey and this Corey Savage who hide their contempt behind a thin veneer of apparent concern.

From Clarey:

Now, the real MGTOWs actually go their own way, Bernard Chapin, you can look him up, "I'm a MGTOW, I go my own way"...but he doesn't stew in it saying "I'm a MGTOW I'm a MGTOW" ::feigns masturbation::, that doesn't define him. What defines him is the "going you own way" part and doing your own thing. And that's what any real MGTOW does. A real MGTOW, you probably won't hear from. Matter of fact this is probably the first time you ever heard from a real MGTOW ::laughs::...but I am one. [skip] However, there is a small subset of MGTOWs, and they aren't real MGTOWs, we in the manosphere and the real world call them "virginTOWs". And what these guys do is they abuse the movement to excuse their laziness and their utter lack of performance, their piss poor performance in life.

From Savage:

First, let me start off by saying that I’m not a PUA who’s trying to sell products, I wasn’t commissioned to write this specific piece, and I’m also not a “pussy beggar” or a “Tradcon” (far from it, in fact). I have nothing against MGTOW and quite frankly find any and all in-fighting among the manosphere groups deplorable. I do, however, feel compelled to address the criticisms of and from the MGTOW sphere in an attempt to bridge misunderstandings. While I’m not as critical of MGTOW as the others who dismiss the whole movement as a congregation of virgin losers, I do feel that a large segment of its members are lost. Instead of going their own way to live a fulfilling life, they’re using the movement as a crutch to justify and validate their lack of zest for life. They’re essentially selling themselves short.

Notice something here between the two; they seem to be trying to forge a distinction between "real MGTOW" who don't participate in forums like these, pursue PUA and self improvement to pick up women and earn a boatload of cash, and "fake MGTOW" who they claim are the ones writing the blogs, doing the videos, participating in the forums, avoiding women, and avoiding what they call "personal responsibility" for "worldly success" (which inevitably degenerates into the personal responsibility to look 'hot', be 'hot', pursue 'hot' things for the sake of becoming 'hot').

Here's my take on what these folks are doing. They know they cannot break our philosophy. Our research and insight is based on more science, more wisdom, and more truth anything else the manosphere has come up with in recent years. So they are trying to break our unity.

What I like about this movement is that it has--for perhaps the first time in the history of man--accepted men for who they are. Rich and poor. Coarse spoken and well refined. Fit and out of shape. Good with the ladies and not so good. Video game playing and hard working. Well schooled and schooled in the school of hard knocks. Unemployed, well employed, underemployed and unemployable. We don't care what kind of man you are, so long as you stand for man, and stand for men.

But these folks like Clarey and Savage, and a bunch of folks at TRP? They don't accept you for who you are, and they don't accept your dreams as legitimate dreams. Their acceptance always comes with conditions; "if you can't be bothered to put in effort, you don't belong here."

And this effort is usually about the same sorts of utterly meaningless things, more or less: looking good, having 'adventures', making a lot of money, banging hot chicks and having a lot of friends.

But none of that, when you get right down to it, is really about accepting yourself as the man you are. It is always about being bothered about all the things you don't have, thinking there's a life out there that is much better than the life you are living right now.

These critics of MGTOW may have separated themselves from the blue pill world, but there is still that internal, nagging voice inside their subconscious that says, "I must be productive so I can prove I'm not a loser." They withdraw from gynocentric society, but they have not withdrawn the gynocentrism within themselves.

Enjoy yourself MGTOW...it's later than you think!

csehszlovakze · 2016-06-07T06:02:56+00:00

another pointless "article" by RoK...

JacksterTrackster · 2016-06-07T06:04:31+00:00

Even though I prefer to call myself a bachelor, I would probably also be a MGTOW since I fit the criteria of being one. That being said, I would have to respectfully disagree with the poster. MGTOW is NOT a movement. We don't seek to move society in a certain direction. We don't give a shit where it is heading, whether towards prosperity or destruction. We focus on our own life without a drop of concern of what other people think, whether men or women. There is no set of rules you have to follow in order to be a 'true' MGTOW. The only rule is this: don't get married. You can still go on dates and fuck as many women as you want but don't get married. Marriage is the death of freedom and the birth of slavery. It prevents you from being yourself and what you want to do in life. Once you get married you give permission to someone else to control your life with the threat of divorce. Whatever you choose to do in life other than marriage will not determine whether you are a 'true' MGTOW or not.

MGTOWJayJay · 2016-06-07T06:14:24+00:00

The one thing they fail to recognize is that MGTOW is NOT a 'movement' its a philosophy and a way of life. We don't seek to change the status quo because we don't fucking care about a society that treats men like a disposable utility. It just is. There is no leader, there is no commander or mentor, nor do we group up or have meetings, we just are. We are out there, everywhere. We are just men making our own paths in life no matter what it is. Even MGTOWs don't even know who each other are. I bet I've sat next to many other MGTOWs at the bars and walked by many of them and didn't even have a clue. MGTOW is invisible. We are content with our lifestyle and we don't brag about all the cool shit we have or do simply because we don't give a fuck about what other people think about what we have or do. That defeats the purpose, we don't need other people to validate how we feel. WE only care about how we feel and do stuff that makes us happy. We are selfish as hell, don't give a rats ass about what others think of us and loving it at the same time.

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KommandantShep · 2016-06-07T07:51:12+00:00

So what if I'm playing video games that are actually on par with high quality films? Games that might change the way you think etc?

Just to name a few: Indigo Farenheit, Heavy Rain, Mass Effect, The Last of Us.

Same old same old boys. Ignore and move on.

drqxx · 2016-06-07T09:50:39+00:00

How about neither?

Title	So Group A. or Group B. ?
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Date	June 7, 2016 3:14 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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