How Many of You Are Here Because of a Relationship Disaster?

53x12 · 2015-11-03T11:49:40+00:00

I am in my early 20's and had a few relationships.. they were good ones too.

I'm here because I don't want a traditional life. I don't want to sleepwalk from Monday to Friday like the majority of men. I don't want to be defined by a job I hate to support a significant other.

I want to be able to drop everything and see the world. I want to build my own business, build my own house. I want to ride my bike across the country. I don't want things.. I want experiences.

I want freedom. I want to be alive. I want to be a man.. in a world where the cards are stacked against us. The only answer for happiness today is to go your own way

Towards Manhood! And let us never deceive ourselves again. Let the feminists, turning ever which way, prattle and rattle their flaming sword of devilish tongue...

...for we have reclaimed Paradise.

TwoTonJoe · 2015-11-03T13:06:36+00:00

Almost 40, married & divorced twice here. Saw all the signs that I needed to MGTOW in both relationships, but never heeded the warnings. Always thought this was just something guys had to put up with for the 'betterment of society'...whatever. "Women, amirite?" kind of thing, made all kinds of blue pill excuses.

Stumbled onto the mgtow website one night when I was out of town on business; read a section of comments from married men...all saying the same things I was going through. One of those "I'm not alone in this!" revelations. This lead to further exploration of this 'movement'.

As my recent marriage began to cycle downwards, rather than 1) figuratively killing myself trying to fix it again for the 100th time, or 2) literally killing myself, I applied what I'd read over the last several months and drew a hard line in the sand, gave exactly zero fucks, and refused to put up with her shit anymore. We divorced, she moved out, I moved on - 100% better for it.

FockHoff · 2015-11-03T16:14:05+00:00

I'm 37. No kids, never got married. I don't know if I had MGTOW tendencies before it was cool (lol!) or what, but here is my short story:

3 (failed) relationships, each lasting on average 5~6 years. Each relationship was with a girls that I considered "different" ... but somehow, the breakup was always similar (I know, "AWALT" lol).

Seems like I am losing interest after this "5 years" milestone. Initially I assumed I was the "problem"... but after a lot of introspection, I now kind of understand that my trigger is when I realize that my SO starts being too familiar, and start looking at me as a simple enabler for her own objectives (and a disregard for my own objectives)

I become an ATM to buy a big house, a pair of balls to give her kids, a career man to make her a proud married wife. I'm no longer the smart/funny guy she likes spending time with anymore. And what happen when I don't share the same objectives? The inevitable "you have to grow up" / "you're a man child" shaming tactics.

I tell you what: not only this never worked on me, it does the exact opposite. Insulting me / using coercion / peer pressure is not only NOT a good way to make me change my mind, it actually drives me to pack my shit and leave instead.

In those 17 years of relationships, I've yet to have an intelligent conversation about what's in for me in a marriage, having kids or buying an overpriced house in a gentrified neighborhood.

So, after 3 breakups like that... it felt like I was in a baseball game. 3 strikes - I'm out. I feel much better going my own way now .

2015-11-03T15:07:18+00:00

I'm 25 and came here (after having discovered TRP) due to getting tired of constant rejection and also learning from other men's mistakes, since I've never been in any sort of relationship myself. Sometimes I feel lonely, but I know I'm better off alone.

SpinyArgonian · 2015-11-03T17:27:06+00:00

I just don't want to be nagged at for 50 years.

2015-11-03T12:20:29+00:00

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HappyManBeast · 2015-11-03T14:41:02+00:00

Been playing and grew tired of the game. It is not that I don't want women and children, but I don't want to pay, the price is too high.

I can build a house, fix the car, bring food and safety, but what do women bring to the table? Moral support and no sandwiches?

Greetings1 · 2015-11-03T08:06:21+00:00

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LetsGoAllTheWhey · 2015-11-03T16:11:45+00:00

I got married in my mid-thirties to a psycho-bitch from hell, but she did a great job hiding that side of her personality and was as sweet as could be the whole time we dated. She cleaned my apartment, cooked for me, was ready for sex whenever I wanted it...

It was her second marriage and she had a child. After four years I broke down and married her. About a year into it her psycho side came out.

After the divorce I met a young 20's nympho which was exactly what I needed. A year into it she started talking marriage and I ended it.

Then I met a beautiful girl around 25 years old. That was still before I discovered MGTOW and TRP. I fell hard for her. People said we looked perfect for each other and I felt the same way. Even with the age difference strangers would assume we were husband and wife. Then she started talking marriage and children and I almost went for it.

But one day she came over really angry about some imagined slight, refused to come in and wouldn't look at me. She just stood in the doorway and bitched at me. The next day she sent about a dozen texts, apologizing and saying how much she loved me, I was the only one for her, etc. We made plans to get together over the weekend and she backed out at the last minute. Later on I found out she was already seeing someone else. Yet, somehow, it was my fault. That relationship ended about a year ago and still hurts some.

That's when I discovered Reddit, MGTOW and TRP, and ever since discovering it I have been reading the sidebar material and other people's posts almost every day.

Since my last relationship, I've met four or five women online, but I always cancel plans a day or two before we're supposed to me because it just isnt worth the effort to me anymore. I'd rather spend my time at the gym, with my son, or just staying home and reading. Besides, it's amazing how much money you can save when you're not spending $200 three or four times a month on dinner etc.

MuscleCarz · 2015-11-03T18:33:26+00:00

Coming to terms with the harsh reality of the darker nature of women is enough to turn a man into MGTOW.

What's amazing to me however, is concurrently realizing Society's view of men in general.

Once you become MGTOW, you realize with horror how society is like the smiling trickster, approaching men with one outstretched hand holding a cup of LSD laced kool-aide, the other hand held behind it's back--holding a knife...All the while, prattling and waxing on the wonderful virtues and pleasures of marriage and "life on the plantation."

2015-11-03T13:49:18+00:00

No bad relationships. Was basically a player in my 20s and most of my family and friends couldn't understand why I refused to settle down.. Because you know, why wouldn't I give up sex, sports cars, and motorcycles?

I came across mgtow/redpill and enjoyed the conversations, not to mention I realized I wasn't being pressured for MY benefit, but for the benefits of others.

As far as most of the people pressuring me? After their divorces and relationship problems they have shut their mouths

howard333 · 2015-11-03T16:34:23+00:00

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chillmonkey88 · 2015-11-03T09:07:05+00:00

This guy... I'll be quick, me and my ex were together the first time and had a baby... I couldn't handle it (deep dark depression/family court - she's on and still is on every single public assistance so the state came after me) we split. Years later after she has a kid with another guy and they split... we try again. That time she left me for a broke white wannabe rapper because her friends and her thought I was neglecting her (i work 60hrs average and earn a decent living also she has gained at least 80lbs since then and I just laugh).

After all that I was depressed and angry. I stumbled on and read the game, that started with me applying game, after 15 or so lays and a ton of rejection and work (99% of women I tried to meet rejected me easily) I started reading more and my Kindle app suggest the rational male. After that I found red pill and started focusing on just myself (inner game)... then when I tried to re apply the game I had learned before, but there was a road block and I realized I couldn't - find and hold down decent woman with a good relationship (awalt), be a great dad, be good to myself and have a career... something had to go off that list.

so women had to be cut out of the picture. After that I found barbar and his words resonated with me so much on my attitude towards women - how everyone says I need one, but i can't stand them anymore - that's how it all came together, now I'm just here because I have a sick fascination with our fucked up gender relations we hold dear as a society without having a dog in the fight (watching how we as society treat each other with differing ideals and our relationship dynamics all the while I'm not in a relationship) all the while enjoying life, working hard, and being a dad.

pirate6728 · 2015-11-03T14:02:51+00:00

Actually, a couple of them. My ex-wife--- goes without saying. There was a woman-child in between the marriages that almost sealed it for me right there. For all the fact that she was 40 years old--- I've never seen anybody so crying terrified of night. The outfit she worked for had given her the weekend watch at the office--- her job was to answer phones and do an occasional walk-around of the warehouse. Not much happened as concerns the phones, there's never much to do in a courier company on weekends But--- she wanted me there. She would spend the night under the table--literally--- terrified of the possibility that somebody else might be there. Doors were locked, windows were fastened, the alarm had been set--- and she was near tears in her terror.

Worse---- the place had steam heat. The pipes would click as they do in steam systems, and every time they did she would shake like a leaf.

She had other bad habits too, and it was a tendency towards kleptomania that finally did it for me with her.

Man------ I do seem to get the weird ones.

T0000009 · 2015-11-03T15:56:14+00:00

In my case it was a combination of many factors, being "the ideal man" was never the issue. They were all hot, smart, and in demand weather she was a stripper, executive, or church girl, and all the rest that came and went over the years. They were Russians, Germans, Arabs, Africans and American girls, but each one followed the same exact pattern and I kept ignoring it because I was seriously trying to make the feminazi script function properly and work.

More skills, new languages, musical instruments, high status, cool jobs, and even being nice or really mean had no effect regardless of what combination I tried, or the method used, and I tried them all more than once.... Even with the amazing background of special forces, business owner, solid family, experienced, well traveled, cultured or not, none of those various trollops could maintain their phony facade very long and put fourth even the slightest effort to make it work like I did or try to succeed.

No amount of herculean effort was ever good enough, but I was never a solid "blue pill" kinda guy, I just tried to fit in and follow the script all these clueless women provided, even though I was always the designated leader, and stood out in the crowd wherever I went. Being unforgettable does come with a price, and it's higher than most can fathom or understand.

Finally, it was time to throw in the towel and walk away for good. My last shot was to get on match.com and throw one last lifeline out there, and was that ever a massive disappointment. No matter what the fat sow looked like she was a "perfect 10" in her own delusional mind. The profiles were almost all carbon copies and I actually thought they were bad cut and pate jobs for the most part. Really pitiful grammar was the order of the day from all these "great communicators" who obviously never made it out of kindergarten. Their failures were legion, the attitudes horrific, and so many brazen insults abounded from each one I spoke with.

So I hung out for a year on match, and after 7000+ views with about a 75% response rate, I realized human females are little more than feral disease ridden animals. Yes, I really did get that many views and such a high response rate, it wasn't difficult, but I am rather unique so that gave me an edge over the average guy. Picking up dames was never the problem, but all the stress and baggage they consistently brought along always was.

At this point I'm full tilt MGTOW, I have no real use for, or interest in dealing with worthless lazy females who offer little more than used goods, and a rampant illiteracy about the world.

2015-11-03T18:00:10+00:00

I haven't experienced relationship disasters for myself, but I have friends that did and I saw that for myself.

I've also experienced very bad experiences from women because they behaved unfiltered around me (and other undesirable men) when I tried to ask them out or talk to them. It could be purely platonic situation, but when I smile and say "hello", their faces turn into those sour rage comics faces, especially attractive women. Average women, unattractive women, and fat women are no different in their behavior and I'm just as invisible to them (thank goodness for that). The women I was attracted to didn't feel the need to cover up their venomous behavior around me, because they didn't see me as sexually and physically attractive. When around men they get wet over, they would act the nice "girl next door" girl, start preening, and act, act, act.

Fact is, I see through every woman. My short stature acts like a filter, and I'm happy for it. When a woman flirts with me, she wants something and it isn't sex (though she may use sex as a method to get whatever it is she wants). When a woman wants to be friends with me, she wants access to a helper or an emotional crutch. I've had woman touch me on the shoulder at work and I recoil when they tried to recruit me to do something for them by turning into a chameleon, complimenting my haircut or my muscles. I'm not fooled.

Most men come into relationships thinking "this woman is the one", and it sours and heads south fast and subsequently getting mauled when she takes them to the cleaners or have them live shitty lives when the woman's true self rears it's ugly head in the relationship. For me, most women's viciousness and toxicity is apparent before me as they aren't afraid to show it, because I'm of no value unless they want something. The sweetest and loving looking woman that some desirable guy sees is the most vicious to me.

Having gone MGTOW for a long time now, I've rejected and continue to reject any woman's advances, whether she's genuinely attracted or not. I don't give a fuck or even care to find out. I've sterilized my life of all women, except for my mother and sisters and their daughters. I've also cut out my aunts because of their cruelty to their husbands and brothers.

As a short guy, I have a front row seat to the Women Are Shitty Show. Everything is made apparent to me early on. I've realized from Step 1 what most men realize in Step 10. I'm fine with that, in light of human nature and the path humanity took over millions of years. Everything makes sense.

Best to go your own way and make your life comfortable and painless. There's a whole world and a universe out there to be discovered and understood. No bills, paying for a partner, or a buying a home in a shitty place you never liked.

The red pill, whether taken accidentally or intentionally, and MGTOW saves men from decades of delusion in the future and sets them on the path of self actualization.

callum666 · 2015-11-03T20:56:42+00:00

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Ready_to_Leave_Now · 2015-11-03T16:25:55+00:00

Had two long-term relationships from age 21-26 and 27-33 respectively. Both women dumped me out of the blue, after years of time, energy, and money invested. The second one was very abusive toward me. Whether there's something wrong with me that I caused the problems, or simply attract these types of women, is irrelevant. I'm done with the whole enterprise.

sophist0 · 2015-11-03T19:51:51+00:00

Long time lurker for some reason i felt a need to post on this subject. I am in my mid twenties, currently going to college and enjoying the single life. Here is what started me on my path to MGTOW.

When i was 21 i was engaged to a woman when i was in the military. I gave this girl everything from a roof over her head, to traveling across country. She mentally abused me, then tried to physically abuse me; That didn't work out well for her. After defending myself from physical abuse the cops took her side. Never again will i let a woman move in with me. life lesson learned that day, that lesson has stuck with me since that relationship.

I have had plenty of relationships, but they all follow the same pattern. (disposable utility) So i finally just said forget it and i focused on myself. I enrolled in college to improve myself and thus far i have become who i have set out to be.

After going to college and learning the naturalist argument and many other philosophy's. The red pill was pounded into me. First in the military, then once again in philosophy and then a biology class. After that i was browsing reddit and happened upon the red pill. From that i found mgtow, everything just fell into place after that.

I have been a mgtow for 3 years now, i bought a motorcycle and have been traveling all over. I'm going to be the best version of myself.

2015-11-03T19:01:20+00:00

For me it's been pretty much a lifetime of red pill lessons, starting with my parents' disaster of a marriage.

Then there are my three failed relationships with "quality" modern women (a financial exec, a doctor, and a PhD). I was cheated on all three times, accused of possibly fathering a baby that the second later admitted probably wouldn't have been mine (I suspect she had it aborted), and humiliated when I came to the realization that I was the only one in my social circle who didn't want to admit I was being cucked by the last one. Women are women, no matter what social stratum they occupy.

Finally, my afterlife working on Wall Street and chilling in Vegas on the weekends, seeing what women really do, not only behind their boyfriends' or husbands' backs, but sometimes right in front of them if you're high enough up the social totem pole. I've seen so many wives, girlfriends, and bachelorettes gobbling stranger cock and having things shoved up their cunts that it's now impossible for me to believe there is not a woman on Earth who won't slut herself out if you hit the right button. There are undoubtedly women out there who live their lives without having that button pushed, but if you're a guy and think you have exclusive access to your girl's pussy because she's "with" you, you're a fucking dumbass.

Thirteen plus years now I've made my own meals, taken care of my own place, and spent my money on the things I wanted to do (like /u/53x12, I don't want things, I want experiences), without having to answer to anyone. The addition of a woman would only fuck it all up at this point.

genethedog · 2015-11-03T20:58:16+00:00

I'm 40. I think I'm going my own way for 2 reasons.

My gf (42) of 9 years left me. The week after her youngest son graduated high school and went to live in Toronto with his dad she was like "I'm FREE!" and told me she's moving out. Of course, I had emotions about it and when I asked her if she was running from something or running to something, she said it was because around Christmas time (7 months before the break up) I was drunk and mean one night and yelled at her and her son. So I needed to figure out something... was she telling the truth? Did she really leave me 7 months after I had yelled at the son who was keeping a filthy room, had no job, wasn't looking for a job, talking like he knows everything, playing video games 15 hours a day? Or was that the closest thing at hand that she could come up with as some excuse to leave me when in reality, she still thinks she's got some SMV and wants to see if she can still play the field and "have fun" and "be free"?

Well, after reading Red Pill learning about things like hypergamy, SMV, and how I had devolved from an alpha to a beta orbiter of the course of our relationship - plus the fact that women don't ever want to be accountable for their own selfish feelings and actions. I pretty much came to the conclusion that, if she was that shook about about me yelling, she would have left THEN. Not 7-8 months later.

I'm getting older and my sex drive is slowing down. I think it has slowed down to the point where my brain actually has a chance to win an argument with my dick. Now I can see just how boring, filthy, immature and unaccountable women are. They are all getting ugly and worn out. C section scars, saggy tits, loose vag, dried out dyed hair. Ugh. What value can they provide to me? I've spent the past 20 years on my career. I make great money. I own my own house and a car. These pigs don't make the kind of money I do. Even if they could match it. What value do they bring to the table? I only ever wanted them for their hot young vag's. Now that's gone. What's left? Companionship? Well... at what cost? They still want me to pay "like a man". They still want to be treated like that little young hot vag. They still want to get married and have kids (if they haven't done that already) and I'm sitting here going "Really? you still think you're worth top dollar? You think you're worth that much time and resources?" For your "love?" for your companionship?

EDIT: Um... for some reason when I am making the post, point 2 shows as point 2. When I save it makes it point 1. Weird.

Allanlemos · 2015-11-03T21:49:57+00:00

I've never had a relationship and honestly I don't want one,I'm better off alone,but what I do have is a bunch of friends at my age(early 20s) being forced to work in low-paying jobs to sustain their unplanned kids,that can't get a degree in order to get something better in their lives and that are married to ugly women.That's one of the reasons I became an MGTOW,I feel bad for them but am happy because I didn't fuck up my entire life and future like them,I'm totally free and can do whatever I want whenever I want.

oldredder · 2015-11-04T06:31:21+00:00

Other than women-issues I was always going my own way. Just instinct.

With women in particular it was 3 disaster relationships that proved to me relationships are a no-go.

2015-11-04T15:32:46+00:00

I'm here not because of a relationship disaster, but due to the passing of my now late wife.

Now she has been put to rest, I can (and have) bought all the computer gear and guns I want!

2015-11-03T14:47:09+00:00

Thank God no. I had my heart broken more than once in my life, and I feel like a pussy when I see what happened to others.

I'm actually more than capable to love. "I can love more than love is able to". It is just that I saw more than enough about the dark motivations my female partners had to go into a relationship, and I just don't have energy to roll the dices for now.

Trail_of_Jeers · 2015-11-03T20:33:53+00:00

Stealth Code Red and Code Purple

http://www.avoiceformen.com/mens-rights/the-catalog-of-anti-male-shaming-tactics/

Allanlemos · 2015-11-03T21:49:58+00:00

I've never had a relationship and honestly I don't want one,I'm better off alone,but what I do have is a bunch of friends at my age(early 20s) being forced to work in low-paying jobs to sustain their unplanned kids,that can't get a degree in order to get something better in their lives and that are married to ugly women.That's one of the reasons I became an MGTOW,I feel bad for them but am happy because I didn't fuck up my entire life and future like them,I'm totally free and can do whatever I want whenever I want.

DoodEnBelasting · 2015-11-04T04:17:50+00:00

I just did the math when I was younger. Having kids is very expensive, marriage is a bad deal and women want both of these.

I like women a lot but I wont conform to these 2 expectations. I like relationships for sex and other fun stuff, and I let them know from the start. It works most of the time, some try to 'fix' me. ;)

I am glad I didnt experience any horror stories like what I have been reading so far. I guess I have always been a mgtow and now with this sub I know I am not some kind of weirdo for not wanting to have kids or a wife. :) Just living life the way I want, selfimprovement every year, learning about emotions, happiness, working out etc in my free time. Dating now and then for fun. And got a decent job.

After writing this I realize how wonderful my life is, makes me feel almost guilty towards society... Because most people/men are running the treadmill towards death while I am using some kind of cheathack to avoid it.

WilliamJLepetomaine · 2015-11-04T05:28:38+00:00

A toxic relationship started me towards MGTOW, but reading lots of personal ads and realizing it could get much worse, with an extremely low probability of it getting better, is what made me decide it wasn't worth it to pursue another one.

YoChing · 2015-11-04T21:07:46+00:00

banged around in my 20s-30s had lots of fun. Enjoyed the thrill of the chase and the sex. Had some relationships mixed in, but they always fell apart. The last three women I dated were absolute head fucks. I dropped each one of them in turn. One still leaves a real bad taste in my mouth. If I could go back in time and unfuck her, I would. Then I gave up on relationships and spent three years in SE Asia just having fun. Seeing what's possible out there, I lost all interest in ever dating or building a relationship with a US woman. I'm just in it for laughs now. Haven't had a relationship or been on a date in more than a year. It's been the most peaceful and productive year in my life.

mindhawk · 2015-11-03T16:15:49+00:00

well yeah i broke up with who my family wanted me to marry back in 2005, the best catch i could supposedly catch

the relationship wasnt destroyed by us, it was the midwestern college town and depressed bush economy, expectations i should somehow magically become a provider when no one gave me a job or provided any opportunity for my art

after that in my 20s and thirties while i recovered and did feat after feat that no one would even think possible, i dated online and flirted but consistently the women i was attracted to were just impossible to relate to or communicate with. this is across states and cities in the usa big and small.

if i was smooth they thought i was a player, if i was not smooth they thought i was unintelligent, if i had a job the job was too boring, if i was on unemployment writing screenplays and doing standup i was a risky investment, if i had money it wasnt enougv if i didnt it was like i didnt exist.

then when i was friend zoned or hearing from other guys, these utter wastes of skin that just had marketing or finance jobs or had got a few hundred k invested from their parents would be swatting women off like flies.

then there were the okcupid dates where it was 100% match but they turned out to be strippers or prostitutes as a day job or the ones who would troll me from profiles with no actual information about themselves or they are fat or have kids or cats or lie that they dont have a boyfriend who they just found out is having gay sex inder an overpass

so yeah women and the structure of society pushed me this way but if i didnt have suc strong artistic ambitions i might have not found my way and might still just be trying to be what women wanted and trying to fulfill some role.

i have lost all my faith in the usa and human genes, my ideas and creations and stories and art and the principles i follow are rewards unto themselves and transcend time and space and especially economics and that one gf i had for 5 years that some people think it was a huge mistake to break up with.

Title	How Many of You Are Here Because of a Relationship Disaster?
Author	OldRoad
Upvotes	24
Comments	48
Date	November 3, 2015 7:11 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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