I personally don't see the logic behind MGTOW.

machine_language · 2015-10-08T07:51:05+00:00

You basically unplugged yourself from society's group think, and plugged into MGTOW group think.

Using that logic, you can dismiss any idea as group-think.

Are there guys who pay for women's drinks hoping to get pussy? YES , are there guys hovering around a girl for years as a "friend" to get in her pants ? YES , are women fair? NO , is the world fair? NO

Exactly. I am a firm believer in gender equality, and gender equality will never exist unless someone takes a stand.

Being "good" with women is just a skillset, like any other, that is so outside your reality.

Notice how you're talking, it's gynocentric. You believe you must modify your behaviour to be "good" with women.

Do women ever talk about how to be "good" with men? Of course not, they just do whatever the hell they want. While men like yourself butt heads with each-other, and try and climb the pecking-order to get female attention.

but the fault isn't at women, it's only your own fault.

Right, blame men.

We've heard this rhetoric a million times.

Because a man has to fit in whatever mould a woman desires, right? Only the woman's wants matter, not your own, right?

All this to me looks like a pretty obvious rationalisation to justify not getting pussy.

The difference between you and me is that I have some goddamned standards. You don't even realize what you've sacrificed to feed your addiction to sexual gratification.

Sounds like you'll do whatever it takes to get your dick wet, your mushy sense of self twisting and conforming to whatever the woman of the day wants you to be.

Iwanttoliveinspace · 2015-10-08T07:33:54+00:00

So, you are saying that MGTOW is only for guys that aren't as amazing as you with "the laydeez"?

Ummm, no.

I think that you've completely misunderstood the point of this movement.

And the point is in its title. Men going their own way.

Not the way of society's demands they marry and have kids, not the way that appeases your standards of what you think a man is... Our own way.

Example, today, three guys from work were telling me that they can't understand how I am not married with kids. I replied that I like my own time, and a family doesn't fit on a motorbike (my preferred transport).

They went on to explain how having kids changes your life, I said I didn't want to change my life.

They simply couldn't understand how I didn't want to spend all my money supporting a woman and kids.

But, I didn't have to convince them to see my point of view, because it's my point of view.

If you don't agree with MGTOW, that's fine. But maybe you need to consider why you had to come here and tell us how we aren't being "men" to your standards because we aren't climbing into the vaginas of women riding the cock carousel.

pnw_diver · 2015-10-08T07:36:33+00:00

If you don't like it, you're not required to subscribe to it ...

2015-10-08T08:17:57+00:00

What does it have to do with women?

Well...somehow I was raised that women are wonderful and that I should put them on a pedestal. Maybe not all guys are like that, but being raised by a widowed mother and little to no male role-models...It's just the way I turned out.

I was taught I had to be THE SHIT for women, at the expense of me. I'm disposable.

This influenced a lot of decisions that I took in my life. Some more important than others.

MGTOW allowed me to realize just how many men out there are manginas (just like I was - I admit it, I was fucking disgusting) and just how many older men I knew who were miserable with their wives, kids, marriage, etc. It opens my eyes to how women are able to manipulate on a level most men aren't on.

I see the game being played and I don't wanna join in. I believe this to be a very rational decision. Too fucking rational, if you ask me. Yes, it is my fault that I can read far too good into women and they've become too predictable.

So as you say, it would be MY fault to play the game. Hence why I don't play it. I already had MGTOW ideas before finding MGTOW but always thought they were too taboo to express.

Is MGTOW the easy way out? You bet your ass. It's life on cheat codes.

tomysotomayorfuxboys · 2015-10-08T10:52:57+00:00

The logic behind MGTOW is that (most) women aren't worth the trouble.

2015-10-08T11:45:06+00:00

Why are you guys responding to this troll? Did you look at their account? 6 months and -27 karma. Do not feed the troll.

thrownaway_MGTOW · 2015-10-08T20:28:59+00:00

After I got informed a bit more, I decided to write my two cents about it to put my opinion out there, and to see how MGTOW think. I'm not suggesting that I know everything about it, I'm completely open minded, everything is totally up to debate.

Oh, I don't think that ANY of that is actually true.

So, from a guy's perspective that goes out a lot and has a lot of sex with different beautiful (sometimes even not so pretty) women, altough I think I understand what MGTOW is about and I agree with some points, in my opinion it's just the easy way out.

Riiiight. Sure thing there "stud".

Oh, and bully for you... I mean all of these "beautiful" (LOL) women are just all over you... etc. I mean as you put it, no doubt aboutski you are "the SHIT", hell, you're the literal MAN, etc etc.

By the way... good luck with all of that.

Just if any of your little pickup fantasies were to ACTUALLY come true don't expect any of US to give a damn about you if/when you get accused of some "date rape", or some woman comes after you for child support... or you end up with any number of a host of problems due to the various STD's your likely to contract (in addition to all of the one's you'd have probably already been infected with).

I mean have you realized that -- with all of the "easy access" that men have to all that "pussy" -- well that likely means several dozen, if not hundreds of other guys have likely "dipped their wicks" into many of those same pussies? Have you ever participated in a mass orgy -- like 1,000+ person (male and female and... well whatever else people are calling themselves these days) all squirming around and licking, fucking, pissing & shitting on each other, etc. -- because in terms of epidemiology, that's more or less what you're claiming you want to be doing.

Do you also plan to drink water out of public toilets? How about lick urinals at gas stations? Does that idea "gross you out"? Why?

Oh what's that you say? You'll "always" (well almost always) wear a condom, AND you'll get "tested" every couple of months.

Well that's certainly "nice" and "healthy" of you... LOL.

But one wonders, do you plan on putting that condom on your tongue when you're "going down" on some chickee? No? Oops.

Did you know that the typical "STD test panel" doesn't test for a whole shitload of different STD's? (Because for many, there simply is NO "test", period.) Did you know that many of those tests have varying degrees of accuracy (they "miss" a lot of infections, sometimes because the infection was too recent, sometimes because it was too long ago, and other times just because, well because the test itself isn't foolproof, and of course there are a host of "errors" that happen with the testing/processing, etc).

Did you know that many STD's while they can be "treated" can never actually be "cured" -- and that even the ones that can be "cured" can have a latency and a detrimental effect on health that only happens years if not decades later? Did you really comprehend what that means? That for example a large number of STD's (including the ones that there are no tests or treatments for) have been determined to be causally related to a number of cancers?

I mean no doubt you make certain you don't smoke tobacco -- because like who wants cancer, amiright? Plus of course you make certain you recycle, and that you "eat right" and drink only purified bottle water and all that other "healthy" stuff... you know so that you're "highly moral" and "ethical" and all that -- so that should keep you from getting some nasty disease (or "cancer") right?

Plus of course... you are THE SHIT, I mean totally.

All the other boys in the locker room are gonna be really impressed with your "studliness" stories. WOOT!

EDIT: Also I always find it a "fun" exercise to look at the posting history of these kinds of "studs"... I mean just LOOK at the sheer "confidence" of this here super-stud/ladies-man:

How much time did it take you to get over daygame anxiety? (self.seduction)
submitted 8 days ago by br3ak

I thought that after I get the first approach out of the way, the anxiety would get easier, it was cringe and awkward as fuck, and I couldn't make myself do it again.

How long did it take you, or how long does it usually take to feel more comfortable approaching during daytime?

Wow... sure does seem like he's just getting "dripping pussy" left and right -- so much and so often that... Well that he has "daytime anxiety", and he literally "cringes" with "anxiety" when he "awkwardly" tries to approach a female during the (GASP!) "daytime".

Then there was THIS "cringe-fest" that was apparently so awkward that he removed it:

Me[20 M] and my [16 F] agreed to emotionally abuse each other in order to make the LDR work. (Relationships)
submitted 6 months ago by br3ak

[removed]

Yup that's right... super-stud here -- the dude who IS (no doubt) "the SHIT" -- at the grand old massively experienced age of 20... is engaged in "emotional abuse" with his (jailbait) 16 year old girlfriend, in order to make his "long distance relationship" work. (I'm assuming that means he calls her "sluttly little bitch-hoe" and she calls him a "pussy faggot mouth breather"... or something like that... hard to tell really, since the details have been removed.)

As for the rest... well it seems super-duper-stud here spends virtually ALL of the rest of his time on Reddit talking about "League of Legends"...

So maybe what he's REALLY referring to with all of this "pussy" that he's getting... is that it's all "virtual pussy" done inside of the game.

ROTFLMAO

agent_of_entropy · 2015-10-08T07:35:09+00:00

Think of it as an issue of resource utilization. I optimize my resources to maximize my happiness. Obsessively chasing pussy and occasionally getting laid doesn't do this. It may for you, but I have many other priorities in life.

2015-10-08T13:43:02+00:00

I personally don't see the logic behind MGTOW

That's quite an understatement, based on your post. Some real gems here:

like most movements

So we're a movement now? This is about individualism and self-determination, not some collective political movement

You basically unplugged yourself from society's group think, and plugged into MGTOW group think.

WTF? Looks like I'm plugged into a group think either way, might as well choose the one that puts the priority on my self interests

it's only your own fault.

So it's my fault if someone decides to take a shit on me? Typical blaming and shaming. Take it somewhere else.

All this to me looks like a pretty obvious rationalisation to justify not getting pussy.

And? Sounds like your life centers around getting pussy. Where's the dignity in being a pussy-beggar?

MuscleCarz · 2015-10-08T13:20:52+00:00

I personally don't see the logic behind MGTOW.

Response:

I personally don't see the logic behind your poorly thought-through, troll-esque assertions.

2015-10-08T13:30:55+00:00

"Being "good" with women is just a skillset"

I prefer my choice being "good" with computers skill-set. At least those skills actually benefit my life with a good job and being able to build, maintain and enhance the technology I use in my daily life.

All this to me looks like a pretty obvious rationalisation to justify not getting pussy.

Or the realisation that you're never going to get pussy, as no matter how hard your try, you'll never be good enough in the eyes of women to be worthy of their self deluded, over valued attention. As such you've taken the Red Pill and decided to do your own thing, free of the interference of the manipulation by women.

In this case MGTOW is a life boat to give you some sense of belonging, without going through life as a hermit doomed to die alone.

PM_ME_UR_PLANTS · 2015-10-08T18:32:25+00:00

I don't know what video you watched, but MGTOW isn't a movement. It's a phenomenon.

KulkulkanX · 2015-10-08T19:36:10+00:00

The fun of going your own way is not giving a shit what folks like OP think!

thrownaway_MGTOW · 2015-10-08T20:59:02+00:00

Also... because I'm pretty sure OP is going to delete the text, probably the thread...

Here's an archive.is of it.

This kind of stuff is just TOO FUNNY to allow it to disappear or be deleted. (I'm still kicking myself for NOT snapshoting/archiving that one about the supposed "MGTOW guy" who found out his LTR girlfriend was pregnant -- that was classic, and it's a tragic loss that it was deleted.)

2015-10-08T21:03:13+00:00

So, from a guy's perspective that goes out a lot and has a lot of sex with different beautiful (sometimes even not so pretty) women, altough I think I understand what MGTOW is about and I agree with some points, in my opinion it's just the easy way out.

It's actually not easy. Almost every day I have to remind myself why I chose this. What's easy is striking up a conversation with a nice girl and having second thoughts about MGTOW.

manzone22 · 2015-10-09T01:09:19+00:00

When the big head overpowers the little head you will see why

mechdemon · 2015-10-08T08:16:11+00:00

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Title	I personally don't see the logic behind MGTOW.
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Date	October 8, 2015 7:10 AM UTC (10 years ago)
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