Feminism

WolfShaman · 2020-03-16T01:08:35+00:00

You can go with the wage gap myth, and the gender disparity between easy and hard jobs.

Edit to add: look up the Consad Report for wage gap busting info. The foreword by itself debunks a large part of it.

theboxman154 · 2020-03-16T01:41:49+00:00

Maybe look up men's rights events that are cancelled or protested. Great way to start would be reading the definition of feminism (gender equality) then showing how they only do stuff for women or spend time trying to stop men's rights. Criticizing that feminism often worries the most about upper middle class white woman, best way to beat the left is use their own stuff against them. Honestly making a speech about this in school sounds a lil brave, good luck and do ur research. Also don't just shit on feminism, the best argument against them is agreeing that women do suffer some gender specific problems because people will always play the victim Olympics and acknowledging them shuts them up quick. Bring up and address common feminist argument. Watch debates. Now get off reddit and go do ur hw lol

AdmirableFlow · 2020-03-16T03:23:45+00:00

http://www.realsexism.com

FactsAngerLiars · 2020-03-16T03:41:27+00:00

Hang on...I have a copypasta for this that I copied from another user in an old post...

The Paper Abortion for Men. Is it okay to force a woman to be a parent because a pregnancy occurs? No. Therefore the same for men. Feminists actively oppose this, proving they're sexists.

Equal Parenting Laws. 50% automatically assumed custody is self evidently equal. Again, feminists actively oppose this, proving they're sexists.

Eliminating, or forcing women to sign up for, the draft. To say the draft affects no one now is to erase all those millions of dead whose still living family miss them so dearly. If the genders were reversed, feminists would be mewing about it every second of every day.

Gender Equal Sentencing Laws Self explanatory. Again, feminists actively oppose this, proving they're sexists.

Gender Equal Funding Laws Almost all government programs that deal with gendered medical issues have vastly different funding levels which need to be equalized. Again, feminists actively oppose this, proving they're sexists.

Gender Equal Physical Requirements Laws. Like, say, for firefighters, soldiers, police, etc. Again, feminists actively oppose this, proving they're sexists.

Elimination of VAWA for it's violation of men's 14th Amendment Rights. Most victims of intimate partner violence ARE MEN!! http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-victims-of-partner-abuse/

Elimination of the pay gap myth. Take into account all factors rather than just all full time men's and women's wages, which is laughably simplistic, and the gap disappears. If the wage gap was real, then companies would only hire women to increase their profit margins.

Gender Equal Divorce Laws and Enforcement

Anonymity for the Accused Laws If the rape accuser is anonymous, so is the accused.

Men's Studies courses in all Universities, or the Elimination of Women's Studies

Men's Domestic Violence and Abuse Shelters. 1 in 4 men, yet ZERO services, AND men under report.

Right to Genital Integrity for Male Babies. If they were chopping off 20% of the nerve endings in every vulva, there would be an uproar. Babies can't consent to permanent sexual alteration, regardless if it helps prevent infections or not.

Stop medicating boys in schools. Boys aren't defective, the system is.

Stop painting all men as potential rapists/child molesters. "Teach men not to rape." Like all men are rapists and must be taught otherwise. How about "Teach women not to be golddiggers." See how both contain sexist premises? And, to top it all off, almost 50% of all rape allegations are false! http://sf-criminaldefense.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/KaninFalseRapeAllegations.pdf

I hope this all helped.

LegendaryEmu1 · 2020-03-16T06:25:15+00:00

Blatant lies is a good one, Sherele Moody who runs a domestic violence organisation here in Australia fairly recently said, on national television, that firefighters definitely come home and beat their wives, citing a study.

EVERYBODY, including the people who did the fucking study said she was wrong, essentially, DV is more prevalent during natural disasters(which makes sense, since stress goes up). So firefighters are not necessarily the ones doing it, she just said that because she wanted to lie.

She was also, at the time, endorsed by the Greens Party, which backpedeled pretty quick once they figured out she was totally wrong.

I have more from my country. where in my state, it is not quite the official law, but the judicial college guidelines of my state when dealing with a man claiming domestic violence is to disbelieve him at every turn and then then direct him to a service which only believes man can commit domestic violence.

Also, Duluth model of arresting. Again from Australia, there was a point where they began cracking down on DV HARD, however, this resulted in womens arrests rising by 7000%(!). Then Duluth model was used, and the numbers dropped back to how they used to be.

Even right now, you can go look at the numbers of criminals and mens crimes are falling, year by year, and women's crimes are rising. In m y state(again, yes, my state enjoys being woke), The woman who runs our damn prison system said they needed to reduce the number of female inmates. Not to reduce all of them, or men and women, specifically women only.

Also any time feminism encounters something that isn't condusive with its message it will completely denigrate that. OR, remain incredibly silent on it. IF you head over to r/ feminism for example, and check out what they said about the whole johnny depp amber heard thing, you will not find a single thing about the recent quite damning evidence against her, not a jot.

In regards to denigrating stuff that doesn't align with them...Theres this, which essentially boils down to men having slightly more geniuses and idiots than women. That study they did in america that showed women initiating 70% of one sided DV and 50% of mutual DV.

The things feminists advocate for either straight up don't work because its not how reality works(like gender blind recruitment, turns out women do way worse when people don't know its a woman's resume), or Gender Quotas in an industry thats like 99% male.

They never talk about the crime stats, which are overwhelmingly biased against men. IN America you're doublely likely to be convicted and sentenced to jail than a woman just for being a man and your sentence is going to be on average 60% longer. Black men have it especially rough, getting an extra 20% on top of that. Black women...doesn't seem to affect them at all. A literal girl gang beats someone so bad they later die of their injuries don't get jailed.

Or even my favourite, 'toxic masculinity' that old chestnut....turns out its women who push it the most, not men. Dead silence.

But you'll never hear that stuff, no matter how true it is, because it destroys their narrative. They won't even acknowledge things like, male victims of rape having to pay their rapist child support, which has happened, more than once, even when they're underage. Or a woman abuses five children, no punishment, or sometimes straight up murders a guy, claims abuse, no consequences, even when shooting a man in the back, or leaving her house, driving over to his, and beating him to death with a hammer(to the head, i might add).

Its an ideology, like any religion at this point, the problem is it has political power, and like any religion, its screwing everything up since logic and ideology do not mix super well.

LambdaLikeAnyone · 2020-03-16T00:57:02+00:00

They say that they need to wash the shit men did in the past, but after the Women’s day, women workers washed all the crap protesters made... And during that day, the protesters threw all sort of things to female cops...

BlueWolf107 · 2020-03-16T03:49:46+00:00

Let us know how it goes!

How much money you guys wanna bet he’ll get detention or something?

Damn pc teachers...

Minty-Mit · 2020-03-16T07:13:53+00:00

Don’t call it feminism is bad They won’t like it Just say it is sometimes too extreme

2020-03-16T01:50:07+00:00

You can find similarities with fascism.

Also don’t forget to research how it is destroying family units and why feminists still want (and largely achieve pussy-passes) instead of equality.

Feminists want to rule, not to be equal. They just want more privileges on top of all the ones they already have because of stupid simps.

Ask a feminist why she thinks women should have more management positions because of a number disparity, but why they should not do shitty jobs like building infrastructure or being on the frontline.

Lots to say, just giving you some ideas.

Pengulin5 · 2020-03-16T08:19:02+00:00

Femenism isn't bad it just gone too far and extreme.

autisnal · 2020-03-16T10:41:13+00:00

Here's the thing. You do not want to 'win' the argument via logical persuasion and facts. If that worked in the first place feminism wouldn't be a thing. You need to win on an emotional and psychological level.

Your first problem is that a lot of people, especially feminsts, dont respect 'weak' men. You will simply not get any sympathy. Things only become a problem when they affect women. People only care about homeless women, they only care about the women count in disasters. You will get no traction with the victim card. They simply do not care on a fundamental level.

With that said there is an opening you can take, which is education. You can act in the tradcon role of 'protector' of male children, and play their victim card (it gets confiscated at 16). There is a significant body of evidence to suggest that:

Boys are doing worse in schools than girls by a massive margin.
Feminst policies play a large part.
Feminists, despite claims of the contrary, only help girls.

The beauty of this is that that there are only two possible response to the raw statistics:

Systemic bias against male children in education exists or,
Boys are naturally stupider than girls.

If that answer is not 2 then it has to be 1. And given the almost complete lack of male teachers these days and documented evidence of female in-group bias it's an easy argument to make. If questioned you can just respond with pithy remarks like."I suppose 12 year old boys are just stupid and lazy then," making the questioner seems unfeeling. Remember you are in the position of defending the disadvantaged.

It is also critically important that you do not get derailed. Do not talk about issues facing men over 16, it's a loser. Do not, under any circumstances, talk about rape. All that's needed is a woman to have an emotional outburst "But I was raped!" and it's all over. Simply dismiss these derailments as quickly and neutrally as possible and stay on topic.

I'd also try to bring a heavy class-based argument in, with the argument that it's well-off upper-middle-class white women who are pulling the rug out for disadvantaged boys, especially of colour. (It's cheap, but it's what they do).

Here's a few resources that you should look up as it should be very fact based in terms of stating the problem:

The graphs of school achievement, including college/university entry and graduation rates. Use the phrase 'University graduates are almost 2/3rds women'.
Female teachers are known to downmark boys because they don't like them
Feminists set up women-only programmes in IT, Maths, etc with no corresponding programmes in areas boys do worse
Repeated efforts to block any minister-for-men style positions in goverment
The NUS (National Union for Students) in the UK is an absolute goldmine for misandrist crazy.
James Damore got publically crucified for suggesting women were simply less interested in tech. This cancels 'Natural proclivity of women to do well in school' card. Feminists declared that Nature holds no sway; it is all nurture. hold them to that

Remember, the key is that you are a defender of the downtrodden against upper-class white women with privilege. Do not stray from that. And good luck!

HUMAN_BEING_12345678 · 2020-03-16T02:07:21+00:00

Here’s a point, feminists say feminism is about equality (it’s so not, just in general), but if that were the case they’d call themselves “egalitarians” or something like that because egalitarianism is about equality

BlaeRank · 2020-03-16T06:41:46+00:00

dont do it your teacher is a fucking leftist

Sininenn · 2020-03-16T06:59:30+00:00

Un Women, arguably the world's largest feminist organization, considers even pricking the female clitoral hood, without removing any tissue at all, to be 'female genital mutilation'.

They also support the removal of the male prepuce, and have no policies against male genital mutilation at all, only in favor of spreading them even more.

SECTORv7 · 2020-03-16T09:11:50+00:00

Feminism is only used by women when it benefits them. They only compare them to upper class wealthy man and declare themselves unprivileged. The Western feminism is a joke.

Cissnowflake · 2020-03-16T17:46:59+00:00

Consider not doing this (for your own scholastic safety), OR do it as a pro feminist paper that somehow points out shortcomings.

Title	Feminism
Author	CrunchyBeans69
Upvotes	101
Comments	24
Date	March 16, 2020 12:42 AM UTC (6 years ago)
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