I know why many of us, including me, are here. Sometimes it's almost like THE final resort (which may or may not be true). In any case, many of us feel like failures before joining MGTOW. And I am sure many of us are familiar with the 'why' of it- materialistic obsessions. Whether it is lust towards someone, envy of someone, obsessions with unproductive distractions, or even an unrelenting obsession with self-loathing. These put us down. I have been struggling to find a way out of these obsessions, but I finally realized there isn't one. We always need an obsession. But that obsession could be discipline. Take control of yourself, that is the only thing you need to care about. This world is too much about 'people' anyway, no need to add to that clusterfuck. If you really want to stop caring for what others thing, start caring for your discipline, and take complete control of your mind.