Alright dudes, hear me out. I've been randomly reading this subreddit (and the original MGTOW), because even though I'm a feminist and a liberal, I was interested in understanding what is making so many guys feel so resentful.

And honestly, reading this subreddit, I understand it. The issues you point out are real. Family court is terrible to fathers. Men feel tremendous pressure to work and be successful, and dating generally is just a shit storm. Men definitely face unique struggles.

But I also think most women would relate to some of it, too. Feeling used, rejected, taken advantage of. Feeling like everyone you date just wants you for selfish reasons. I think the problems you all talk about are pretty relevant to women too. Women can act shitty in relationships. But I think a lot of us have our own struggles and our own societal expectations that we are dealing with. People are not born bad, or entitled, or selfish. A lot of those things come from past traumas or from society failing people.

As a woman, I wish there was a way for us all to talk about it and find a better way out. We've all had horrible experiences with dating and relationships. Gynocentrism doesn't help women much either. From an ideological perspective I disagree with a lot of your fundamental ideas, but I think discussion and dialogue is always useful.