Men are more likely to be murdered than women; why isn't this problem taken seriously?

redramsfan123 · 2021-05-07T14:28:16+00:00

The main excuse is that since other men are the main purpotrators their not really oppressed and therefore it doesn't really matter.

Another answer a feminist would give is that they are by teaching men not to be "toxicly masculine".

2021-05-07T11:17:10+00:00

People have more empathy for women than men due to the "women are wonderful" effect. That's why violence against women is taken more seriously than violence against men.

Joe_Immortan · 2021-05-07T12:08:26+00:00

Because identity politics is the current zeitgeist and that school of thought isn’t concerned intra-group issues. Men are more likely to be victims, but it’s usually other men killing/harming them.

mhandanna · 2021-05-07T12:11:48+00:00

Methods for Downplaying or Side-Stepping Violence Against Men

It’s commonly believed (or just assumed) that violence against women is more common or worse than violence against men, even though the actual statistics do not support that (Non-Feminist FAQ). Here I examine some of the ways that people talk about gender and violence that have the effect of downplaying or side-stepping violence against men and contributing to that misconception.

Six Methods:

Only talk about violence against women. Ignore and conspicuously avoid mentioning violence against men or comparing the two.
Focus on fear of violence rather than actual likelihood of facing violence.
Focus on the sub-types of violence that affect women more.
Assume that women suffer violence because of their gender, while men suffer violence for other reasons.
Only count cross-gender violence.
Victim-blame. Make assumptions and use stereotypes to portray male victims as less sympathy-worthy, or not really victims at all.

(Length: 1,800 words)

Method 1: Only talk about violence against women. Ignore and conspicuously avoid mentioning violence against men or comparing the two.

This can be seen in frequently expressed sentiments like “violence against women is way too common”, “we need to end violence against women”, and “violence against women is tragic”. What about violence against men? Is it just common enough, something we shouldn’t end, or not tragic? Technically these statements don’t mention men or say any of these things, but they certainly imply something along those lines. It’s like if someone says “women are emotional”—they didn’t mention men or make an explicit comparison, but the implication in most contexts is that women are more emotional than men.

Statements singling out violence against women as tragic would be more justified or understandable if violence against women actually was more tragic (if it actually was worse in some way), or if its tragic status was underappreciated compared to violence against men. For example, say what you want about the membership, tactics, and demands of the Black Lives Matter movement, but black people are more likely to be the victims of violence and violence against them is generally taken less seriously, and so the slogan “Black Lives Matter” merely challenges that (rather than implies anything about white lives not mattering). Women are very much not in the same position as black people when it comes to violence, however. As mentioned in the FAQ, men face violence at equal or higher rates (including higher rates for murder, the most serious type), crime against women is generally punished more harshly, and violence against women is generally seen as less morally acceptable than violence against men.

Method 2: Focus on fear of violence rather than actual likelihood of facing violence.

For example, “women are worse off because they’re more likely to fear for their safety when walking home at night”. This works because women tend to fear crime more than men, even types of crime that they’re less likely to encounter than men. (This happens for reasons of biology and socialization. Testosterone has been linked to lower fearfulness, we tend to emphasize threats to women’s safety more, and we encourage men to take a more nonchalant or machismo approach to their safety.)

On multiple occasions I’ve brought attention to this, and often the response is to say that being socialized to fear for their safety more is a disadvantage that women face. This is valid, but it’s a separate issue from violence itself (the two should not be confused), and the solution (to the part of it that we can fix) is to stop focusing on women’s safety more than men’s and stop treating “violence against women” as something separate from and worse than “regular violence” (i.e. against men).

Method 3: Focus on the sub-types of violence that affect women more.

This includes failing to acknowledge that these are not representative of violence as a whole (or failing to mention the sub-types that affect men more). One example is focusing on the chances of each gender being murdered by a partner (women’s are higher), while neglecting the chances of each gender of being murdered in general (men’s are higher). Another is talking about how women are more often sexually assaulted, and ignoring that men face higher rates of many other types of violence (in Canada in 2009, women were more likely to be sexually assaulted, and men more likely to be robbed or physically assaulted).

Of course, there’s nothing inherently wrong with talking about types of violence that affect women more. The problem is when the gendered aspect of those gets talked about much more than the gendered aspect of the types of violence that affect men more, or when those types are used as proof for why women are much worse off when it comes to violence.

DisillusionedSoul · 2021-05-07T11:48:35+00:00

Maybe it's not taken seriously because men are seen as expendable which of course is absolute bs.

TheStumblingWolf · 2021-05-07T12:28:04+00:00

In my country the statistics explain that men are most likely to be killed outside the home, and women most likely to be so in the home. Then they lump both statistics together clouding the picture of what I think should be completely separate since street and domestic violence have completely separate causes.

BeastMcQueen · 2021-05-07T14:32:22+00:00

People don't care about men.

2021-05-07T13:00:57+00:00

Because why would anyone care about men anymore? All we do is rape and kill and start wars. It's not like the men, you know, built the motherfucking world that people live in. It's not like the men are the reason why people have better lives these days. Oh wait...

Jay_Cobby · 2021-05-07T18:50:55+00:00

That has really grinded my gears. In my home country (the feminist haven we call Sweden) 5 women were murdered in 3 months and basically all of society went crazy over it; every single partyleader of the 8 parties in parliament gathered together to discuss what to do to make women feel safer, while only giving the problem of mass shootings (affecting men), gangsters (mostly men being shunned from society) and all the other violence affecting (mostly men and mostly in my home province), the same “priority” it has been given for the last 5 years.

flowerpassion2112 · 2021-05-07T13:26:25+00:00

I mean let’s see, because men make the rules and they are hard wired to compete against and crush other men, while protecting women, in other words these men are sexist against men based on hardwired bias.

Or rather it’s because women make the rules, and they feel women’s pain more than men’s pain and are generally sexist against men based on hardwired bias.

So either way

Criket · 2021-05-07T16:19:37+00:00

Because feminists doesn't care of the death of a man if it save the feelings from a woman.

2021-05-07T20:14:22+00:00

But when a woman is murdered, they claim women are being oppressed...

Mandarni · 2021-05-07T20:35:48+00:00

When a group kills members of its own group... People generally don't care. Black on black crime, men on men crime, etc. But sometimes, people do care when it is politically convenient.

But yeah, people do forget that when innocent people are killed, it doesn't matter if they were black or male... What matters is that they were innocent.

MisfitAngel669 · 2021-05-07T21:29:24+00:00

According to this 42% of homicides are drug related, so that might also be a point to consider.

https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/homicides-related-drug-trafficking

DignifiedAlpaca · 2021-05-07T10:33:56+00:00

Archive: https://archive.is/ujHNV

Responsible-Race989 · 2021-05-07T17:07:24+00:00

Hear my out society everyone learns self defense

Invadercert · 2021-05-08T00:58:25+00:00

i just want to say. there is also an inate disregard for our own safety and the belief that if we are in a deangerous situation we can kick the attackers ass. but the voilence needs to be addressed.

Jmcb23 · 2021-05-07T10:36:29+00:00

The vast majority of the violent crimes against men are committed by other men. It isn't taken as seriously because there's no real sense of inequality in the sense that it's not a gender issue. If you teach all men self defence, you're also teaching the majority of the perpetrators the same tricks.

panoramicview · 2021-05-07T16:55:11+00:00

Because it’s mostly men murdering men...

pancreasgirl · 2021-05-07T15:19:23+00:00

it is a huge problem. my guess is that mostly men are murdering other men, which makes it more of a men's issue. men do a lot of shit to everyone that needs to be addressed. almost all of the mass shooters in american history have been men, and yet we make this an issue about gun laws instead of mental health. men are raised typically in toxic environments that value masculinity and devalue emotionality, which has a serious toll on mental health. i believe that there's a lot of work to do in growing empathy for the struggles that men have, because they are clearly linked to an increase of violent incidents and increased mental health issues (e.g.: more likely to kill, be killed, kill themselves, etc.).

CandleLightTerror · 2021-05-07T18:56:02+00:00

Men are more likely to kill men. Men are also more likely to kill women.

Use that information however you please.

downvote me for saying facts.

keiron21 · 2021-05-08T08:12:54+00:00

by other men...

Title	Men are more likely to be murdered than women; why isn't this problem taken seriously?
Author	DignifiedAlpaca
Upvotes	322
Comments	43
Date	May 7, 2021 10:30 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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Methods for Downplaying or Side-Stepping Violence Against Men