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Why A Judge Dismissed U.S. Women's Soccer Team's Claim Of Unequal Pay : NPR

ryguyasking

April 22, 2021
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https://www.npr.org/2020/05/02/849492863/federal-judge-dismisses-u-s-womens-soccer-team-s-equal-pay-claim
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Title Why A Judge Dismissed U.S. Women's Soccer Team's Claim Of Unequal Pay : NPR
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ryguyasking

Upvotes 161
Comments 45
Date April 22, 2021 10:42 PM UTC
(5 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/PussyPassDenied
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[–]dukunt 56 points57 points58 points 5 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link

They got the contract that they voted for. And now they decide that they could have made more money if they had of taken the men's contact that they didn't want at the time. So they want to retroactively null and void that previous contract and replace it with a more lucrative contact.

It doesn't work that way.

It's like going to the horse races, betting a $1000 on Buster Greenblatt to win, but instead Ghostface takes the win. And then demanding that you should still get the prize money because someone else got money for betting on Ghostface so you should too.

I hope that they are paying for their own lawyers in this fight because they're going to lose, lose, lose and the only winners will be the lawyers.

[–]Gaiinahat 20 points21 points22 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. They voted for unequal work. The result, unsurprisingly, is unequal pay.

[–]areyouredditenough 15 points16 points17 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminism = all the rights but none of those pesky responsibilities

[–]IsaRos 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This should be the definition of „toxic feminism“.

[–]Tahoeclown 13 points14 points15 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Not only did they want the mens contract, but wanted to keep all the benefits that came with their original contract.

[–]Actionjack7 9 points10 points11 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine that! Women wanting more.

[–]LokisDawn 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's more like putting 100$ on the winner, only to demand the payout someone would have gotten had they put in 1000$.

They chose less risk, which comes with less reward.

[–]ryguyasking[S] 33 points34 points35 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

https://youtu.be/LLeAWuRbObQ

Here is a good breakdown of the case. The judge ruled they were actually being paid more.

[–]olddicklemon72 41 points42 points43 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Comparable to the revenue they generate, they’re incredibly overpaid.

[–]SolidSnakeOil_1 points 5 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

That took me down one hell of a rabbit hole. I also found out that the men's and women's sponsorship deals are tied together so they get a cut of the that money as well.

[–]CazRaX 14 points15 points16 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, women so independent and strong, they don't need a man at all! /s

[–]Makkapakka777 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I like that guy. He does good breakdowns.

[–]AsianCumFan 16 points17 points18 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This is like the gas station attendant in No Country for Old Men complaining he doesn't make as much as Josh Brolin did.

[–]Smacky_Da_FrogIm owed back jack wages bitch 20 points21 points22 points 5 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

How much revenue from ticket sales, merchandising, television and radio rights, concessions, and advertising does the men's team bring in? Now compare those figures to the women's team. Are THOSE numbers anywhere close to equal? I'd wager that the men's team brings in more than ten, perhaps twenty times, as much revenue to the organization as the women's team does.

And the pay comes out of the revenue. It's directly connected to revenue. If women want equal pay, they should promote the women's team and have their fellow women become sports fans and stop trying to ride the dicks of the men who actually earn for the organization.

[–]learnercentric 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

All comes down to how much revenue is generated by the game and the women's game especially in europe, on average doesn't sell anywhere near as many tickets, as the mens games are sold out and are at capacity.

If you were a sponsor wanting the maximum bang for your buck, its a no brainer where you put your marketing spend.

[+]JMak00 -8 points-7 points-6 points 5 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sympathetic to the US women's team bullshit here, but I remember reading a few years ago that the gap in tix sales, merch, etc wasn't that great and something tells me that the went were actually ahead in tix and merch. I might be recalling wrong, but that stood out to me.

[–]Actionjack7 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They were close 1 year.....1 year. And they use that year to try to justify their stance. Overall, the women are getting their asskicked by the men in revenue generated.

[–]Smacky_Da_FrogIm owed back jack wages bitch 8 points9 points10 points 5 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

I think you either misread the article or the article was misleading, because look at the differences between the WNBA and the NBA when it comes down to even just the sales of specific numbered/named jerseys. And a courtside ticket to the Atlanta WNBA team's game is $145, whereas you cannot find the price of a courtside ticket to the Atlanta NBA team's games because they are all sold out to the end of the season, and the resale tickets are selling for many thousands of dollars right now.

In conclusion, you wrong! :p

[+]JMak00 -10 points-9 points-8 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

I may be wrong. However, citing the differences between the wnba and nba doesn't prove me wrong. You are replying to a thread about men's and women's soccer.

As well, I acknowledged that I may have been misremembering what I previously read about differences in men's and women's soccer tix sales and merch.

And, as I thought I recalled - https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://worldsoccertalk.com/2019/12/25/uswnt-average-attendance-8-greater-us-mens-soccer-team-2019/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwiiicG2hZPwAhXP7Z4KHV9DATAQFjAAegQIBBAC&usg=AOvVaw2qhv_xck2qSQoiMuuWcSB9&ampcf=1

[–]olddicklemon72 7 points8 points9 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

In 2019, the most expensive ticket for the women’s final was 89 euros, while the most expensive ticket in the men’s was over 1000.

So even while drawing 3% more (due obviously to their success that year) their ticket prices were less than 1/10th of the men.

[–]Smacky_Da_FrogIm owed back jack wages bitch 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Lower ticket prices would explain the high attendance. They want to fill the stadium, after all. They don't need to lower the men's team ticket prices because there is actually a high demand for those tickets.

Attendance is good at the AAA baseball clubs too, because they give away lots of free tickets at the retail stores. But that doesn't mean that the San Jose Giants deserve the same pay as the San Francisco Giants. They haven't earned it.

[–]JMak00 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree that they haven't earned it. I was simply recalling something I had learned about mens and women's soccer and the pay issue. I loved the judges ruling, though. Absolutely priceless and I can't wait for that pretentious bitch Rapinoe to eat crow and acknowledge that the judge is 100% correct.

[–]Smacky_Da_FrogIm owed back jack wages bitch -3 points-2 points-1 points 5 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Soccer is a sport? I thought it was a terrible religion that exacts a heavy price on the home town entertainment districts whenever a local team wins.

Seriously though, I thought we were talking about real American sports here, not silly foreigner pastimes. :D

[–]givafux 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Silly foreigner pastimes which just happens to be the most followed sport in the world....

pray when will the yanks get their cranium out of their rectum and acknowledge a larger world outside their bubble

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Don't forget their World Series of rounders. You know, that worldwide sport in which teams from all over the... USA... take part.

[–]HoustonAstros1980 -4 points-3 points-2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The USA is actually right about their NFL, NBA, and MLB being world champions, because no other country can touch them in those 3 sports. Hockey and football are another matter.

[–]Smacky_Da_FrogIm owed back jack wages bitch -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

U mad bro? ;)

I mean, I understand, you guys are fascinated by everything we Americans do, and sometimes we don't reciprocate. I understand your anguish. You poor dear wallflowers. Someday maybe America will ask you to slow-dance like you always dreamed of! =D

[–]cometpantz 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

sorry dude but nobody is jealous of your country

[–]Smacky_Da_FrogIm owed back jack wages bitch -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

De Nile is not just a river in Egypt.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, the US WNT is seasonally more popular than the US MNT, so you're right there. I would wven go as to ssy(without evidence) that the WNT is the most popular female sports franchise in the entire world. They are, seasonally, the best womens soccer team in the world after all. The MNT on the other hand, are pretty terrible most of the time when compared to their global counterparts. So the WNT "would" have some merrit there, but... They are paid out of different pools. It's not like the WNBA where they are partially funded by the NBA, so trying to argue wages between the 2 isn't even a realistic aspect.

[–]JMak00 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed...the wnt didnt have a leg to stand on and the judge just shredded them. Looking forward to the WNT's reax...lols

[–]Shepard_reboot 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

One thing to remember. Professional sports exist for one reason, to sell commercial spots. If no one watches, you can sell the spot, therefore you haven't earned them any money. Lol.

[–]Bull_Winkle69 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Women use words like "equality" and "equal pay" like a pry bar to take things they haven't earned, bit nonetheless feel entitled to because they exist.

Claiming that they should be paid as much as men is like a manager of a Wendy's demanding to be paid as much as the manager of a Gigafactory.

"But they're both managers!"

If women want what the men have EARNED let them try out for the men's ream. If they are equal then they will get those jobs and pay.

[–]Cheesehead413 5 points6 points7 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

If Megan Rapinoe and all the other women want equality, let’s get rid of “men’s and women” team, let’s just call it the “A” team and the “B” team, everyone tries out for the team, the best go to the “A” team, then the best of the rest go to the “B” team, if they are all men, so be it, if they are all women so be it

[–]funhawg -2 points-1 points0 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Off the top of your head name one member of the men’s US team, better yet name the last year they qualified for the World Cup.

[–]Cheesehead413 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

None of that matters, if the women can make the top team, that would be awesome. That in it self would show their capability to play at the men’s level.

[–]ToastyNathan 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

why?

[–]NewW0rld 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In dismissing the women's claim that they are paid less for the same work, Klausner pointed to differences in the structure of the men's and women's contracts — contracts to which they agreed in collective bargaining.

"The WNT [Women's National Team] rejected an offer to be paid under the same pay-to-play structure as the MNT [Men's National Team] and ... the WNT was willing to forgo higher bonuses for other benefits, such as greater base compensation and the guarantee of a higher number of contracted players," Klausner wrote. "Accordingly, Plaintiffs cannot now retroactively deem their CBA worse than the MNT CBA by reference to what they would have made had they been paid under the MNT's pay-to-play structure when they themselves rejected such a structure."

Fucking lol

[–]BrianWagner80 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

I've never watched women's soccer. Not even for a second. Is it televised?

[–]grumpi1957 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If their uniform was more like the beach volleyball teams....................

[–]ryguyasking[S] -1 points0 points1 point 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The national team maybe but any other league of women's soccer is not on TV. I doubt anyone would want the TV rights with the numbers they bring in.

[–]cargdad 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

CBS has the rights for NWSL games. They typically televise a “Game of the Week” each week on CBS and they do the rest on CBS Sports cable. Twitch has the international broadcast rights. I believe CBS does about 75 games a year. And, of course, playoffs/championship games.

[–]sodiumbicarbonade 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I fail to see how this is an unequal pay It’s just different pay structure and contract, which they collectively bargained for and sign to

These bad seeds in any movement is painful to look at

[–]JDCagney 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They don’t have to play soccer. They could go do something else.

[–]felixstorm 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Awesome!! Watching them play is purely out of charity. Since they started kneeling, even that is off the table.

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