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mrprez180

April 5, 2021
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Date April 5, 2021 1:36 PM UTC
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[–]TigPlaze 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She basically admitted to being a female supremacist and terrorist.

[–]dukunt 22 points23 points24 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I kind of like democracy, due process, and innocent until proven guilty... But Hey that's just me...I'd love to see what she would like to replace that with but I bet she hasn't really thought it through...but so far this whole believe all women thingie has turned into a huge feminist embarrassment

[–]Multiman2000 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I have no idea what this tweeter meant, I'm too lazy to follow her feed to figure out her exact ideology.

Just judging from what I've read, is she a left wing radfem who wants to dismantle structures other than patriarchy? You know, capitalism, cisheteronormativity, the old stuff.

[–]Benedikto_ 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

A LOT of women think like that.

[–]Broadside_Beers 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

A lot of feminists*

[–]Benedikto_ 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

That's a bit redundant. As a gender, they are trying to advance their agenda.

[–]Broadside_Beers 12 points13 points14 points 5 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

You’re conflating feminism/feminists with women.

Majority of women aren’t in fact feminists.

I do believe however that a lot of feminisms theoretical offshoots (the wage gap myth, the rape culture myth, the patriarchy myth) have been swallowed hook, line, and sinker by our society/culture.

Feminists are advancing their own agenda, and sure, a lot of those feminists are women.

But to say a lot of women are like this is dishonest by its implication.

Words matter.

[–]IronJohnMRA 6 points7 points8 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Majority of women aren’t in fact feminists.

Correct. Worldwide most women are not feminists. However, the problem is the majority of American women are feminists.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/07/07/61-of-u-s-women-say-feminist-describes-them-well-many-see-feminism-as-empowering-polarizing/

[–]Broadside_Beers 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Youch, that’s pretty indicative of how feminism has infected our society.

I’m in Australia and I wouldn’t be surprised if it was pretty similar here... I hope a similar group conducts a survey to ascertain the influence of feminism in this part of the world too.

One of the deflections I run into from feminists I’ve had discussions with irl is that feminism is nowhere near as powerful as we think it is (I know, laughable.). It all comes back to that Motte and Bailey tactic that another user alluded to recently (maybe in response to me in this post or another, I can’t remember), as well as relying on the inherent plausible deniability in feminism.

Thanks for this resource, I’m thinking I’ll find it invaluable in the future.

[–]IronJohnMRA 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for this resource, I’m thinking I’ll find it invaluable in the future.

You're welcome. I only discovered it recently and I'm hoping to share it as much as possible.

[–]tenchineuro 10 points11 points12 points 5 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

Majority of women aren’t in fact feminists.

There is a legitimate question as to whether this is true.

A lot of women may no longer call themselves feminist, but if they believe in and support everything feminism has done and said, what's the difference? A rose by any other name and all that.

[–]IronJohnMRA 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

There is a legitimate question as to whether this is true.

Please see this research from last summer:

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/07/07/61-of-u-s-women-say-feminist-describes-them-well-many-see-feminism-as-empowering-polarizing/

[–]tenchineuro 3 points4 points5 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

  • 61% of U.S. women say ‘feminist’ describes them well; many see feminism as empowering, polarizing

That's the thing about polls, the answer you get depend on the questions you ask, and it's hard to get accurate and meaningful results.

  • https://www.ipsos.com/en-us/american-women-and-feminism
  • Less than a third of American women identify as feminists

  • https://today.yougov.com/topics/lifestyle/articles-reports/2018/08/09/feminism-american-women-2018

  • Compared to 2016, more women now say that they're feminists, but they're still outnumbered

  • Feminism might be on the rise, but many women aren’t on board. Though slightly more women consider themselves feminists now (38%) than they did in 2016 (32%), close to half (48%) of women still say they are not feminists, according to new data from YouGov Omnibus. Among men, only about one in five (22%) say they consider themselves to be a feminist, which is a very slight increase from 2016, when 19% of men said they were feminists.

[–]IronJohnMRA 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Thank you for sharing this additional research. I'll have a look at it. In the meantime, did you find any major flaws with the evidence I shared?

[–]tenchineuro 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually I was responding to this by another poster...

  • Majority of women aren’t in fact feminists.

While the numbers may vary by survey, I'm pretty sure that most women to don't call themselves feminist still uncritically support everything feminism says and does.

This is not all women, but I suspect a sizeable majority worldwide.

[–]Broadside_Beers 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree, which is why I included the clause wherein our society has largely subscribed to feminist ideology. Women as a whole certainly do benefit from the rampant gynocentrism and suffer from the incessant feminist fear-mongering.

I think the difference might be delineated by how individual people, men and women, respond to evidence that feminism is a hateful ideology and it has resulted in some truly horrible things across our society as a whole. If they persist in defending the feminist ideology, then they might as well be a feminist themselves. If they take a step back after considering the new information and decide feminism needs to be challenged, or even condemned, then I’d say they weren’t a feminist, just a non-malicious ignorant person.

This is why I regularly have conversations IRL with people where I subtly introduce them to real problems which challenges the social zeitgeist. Just recently I got a feminist friend of mine reading into the in-group vs out-group bias discrepancy between men and women and next time I see her I’m going to see if she can parse that with patriarchy theory. Will be interesting to see how she goes.

[–]tenchineuro 4 points5 points6 points 5 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I think the difference might be delineated by how individual people, men and women, respond to evidence that feminism is a hateful ideology and it has resulted in some truly horrible things across our society as a whole.

They don't actually deal with it. They either completely ignore and forget about what feminism says and does, or they retreat to the bailey that feminism used to be truthful and noble and has lost it's way, but without ever responding to or acknowledging what feminism is IRL. The problem with the 'used to be noble' theory is that feminism has always been more about hating men than helping women.

If they persist in defending the feminist ideology, then they might as well be a feminist themselves.

Exactly.

If they take a step back after considering the new information and decide feminism needs to be challenged, or even condemned, then I’d say they weren’t a feminist, just a non-malicious ignorant person.

Good luck finding such a person, I've never seen this happen myself. But eventually Cassie Jaye did stop calling herself a feminist, so I know it can happen. But she seems exceptional in this regard.

and next time I see her I’m going to see if she can parse that with patriarchy theory. Will be interesting to see how she goes.

That sounds like material for a post, please post the results, I'd love to see what happened.

[–]Broadside_Beers 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Absolutely will do a post on it once I see her next and have that chat. I’m 50:50 at the moment on whether she doubles down despite cognitive dissonance or if she realises that the patriarchy theory is largely projection of female psychology onto men. She is a benevolent and kind-hearted person all in all, but “belief persistence” is a thing. We will see.

For what it’s worth, I’ve enlightened three individuals in my social circle so far who used to identify as feminists. They were ignorant like I was, until a few years ago Family court and the power of false allegations red-pilled me.

The trick I’ve found so far is to intentionally come in under the radar, don’t make your own stance clear, and then hit them with the Socratic method. Let them question their own preconceptions with some resources that challenge the narrative. I doubt it will work for the truly indoctrinated feminists, but just for the regular ignorant people? Well, it’s working for me so far.

[–]tenchineuro 2 points3 points4 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely will do a post on it once I see her next and have that chat.

Thanx.

For what it’s worth, I’ve enlightened three individuals in my social circle so far who used to identify as feminists.

Interesting. But the question is, will it stick?

They were ignorant like I was, until a few years ago Family court and the power of false allegations red-pilled me.

Ouch.

The trick I’ve found so far is to intentionally come in under the radar, don’t make your own stance clear, and then hit them with the Socratic method. Let them question their own preconceptions with some resources that challenge the narrative. I doubt it will work for the truly indoctrinated feminists, but just for the regular ignorant people? Well, it’s working for me so far.

Good luck with that.

[+]eldrishknight2 points 5 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

not every woman is feminist nor support it

both my girls are anti-feminist and mock them everytime they can even more than some radical men tend to do

[–]tenchineuro 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Majority of women aren’t in fact feminists.

There is a legitimate question as to whether this is true.

not every woman is feminist nor support it

Did you read the exchange before responding?

A lot of women may no longer call themselves feminist

But if you actually ask them questions you'll usually find that the only difference between these women and feminists is that they don't wear the union label.

I hereby invent the term NFINO, Not Feminist In Name Only.

both my girls are anti-feminist and mock them everytime they can even more than some radical men tend to do

That's good. What's not good is that feminist misandry has become so normalized today that many men can't recognize it.

[–]Ok-Dragonfruit-697 1 point2 points3 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

We need a movement against feminism. Male advocacy without shame. Men live horrible lives. Too many women are spoilt brats.

[–]mikesteane 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

The mask is still on.

"I'm here to dismantle the systems they set up"

What it means is "I live under the illusion that I am important and powerful".

[–]Agirlformensright 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She doesn't even lie that she wants equality

[–]DubsPackage 0 points1 point2 points 5 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She is basically saying that she is against capitalism, imperialism, etc etc (Western style govt in general.)

Western style "equality" is when both women and men get exploited in equal amounts by corporations.

Her thing is she wants the whole system to go away.

I guess I can understand that.

The larger question is what to replace it with. The soviet union (mostly) failed, Cuba sucks, North Korea sucks, China (mostly) sucks and is MOAR capitalist than the West is.

So the only examples of Socialism "working" that everyone mentions is Sweden and Norway, but these are monocultures that are %90+ white, and they're not nearly as "socialist" under the surface, not to mention they are going to hell in a handbasket pretty fast.

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