Edit: This post really blew up - thank you for all the awards and support! I would like to clarify something: I do not work on an Alzheimers/Dementia unit anymore but when I did, I was always dealing with the most difficult residents because my coworkers wouldn't. The workload was never even - it was ALWAYS me having to get beat up and groped. I am currently a night shift supervisor on the main floor of the same facility.
Edit#2 My issue isn't with difficult residents: my issue is nobody listening when the systems in place have failed. When interventions don't work, etc. It gets even harder because you're supposed to stop care if they refuse but its literal neglect to leave them in their own filth. The shift before me were favored by our supervisor - they left these people in bed all day because they "refused" which made their behaviors twice as bad. If we let them "refuse," we were written up.
...is more common than most people think. Allow me to introduce myself:
I am 33F and I work as a night shift supervisor in a nursing home.
Prior to that, I worked 5 years on the Alzheimers/Dementia unit of the same facility.
Suffice to say, I know my shit. Moving on.
I'm sick of women being expected to endure physical/verbal/sexual abuse because...
"It comes with the territory."
"They don't know any better."
"You signed up for this."
"You can't leave them like that."
These are terrible excuses and anyone that utters them should not be allowed to work in healthcare.
Healthcare workers, like myself, weren't very well taken care of during covid. As the world knows.
But I wonder if it goes deeper than that. I wonder if women in healthcare are sick of absorbing everybody's dysfunction. From the residents/patients to the CNAs and nurses.
There's nothing worse than a lazy nurse. Or a cliquey nurse.
But there's nothing worse than a lazy CNA. Or a cliquey CNA.
Adding into that mix, the residents/patients that are commenting on your body, trying to grab your butt or boobs, trying to kiss you, pull you in bed with them...
...or those really combative ones. The one's that scratch, spit, bite.
No matter where you look, we're absorbing somebody's dysfunction somewhere and the root problem is the enabling of these behaviors.
"They didn't mean it..."
"They don't know any better..."
"He's old and usually so sweet..." (You clearly don't work night shift but that's another war for another day)
I said all of that to say this:
Women in society have been taught to absorb everyone's dysfunction.
Not only to absorb it, but excuse it and be gracious about it too.
From our bosses, to our partners, to our coworkers - we are seen as the comforters and the caregivers.
It's only a problem when we turn some of that comfort and care toward ourselves.
I am now a night shift supervisor in a nursing home and I refuse to allow myself endure that sort of thing.
If a resident is being combative and gropey, they are instructed to ensure resident safety, chart their behaviors, come get me and we will approach that resident together.
Nothing will change if us women don't look out for each other.
I refuse to stand by and allow another woman be expected to endure trauma and abuse because "it comes with the territory."
Just like marriage comes with rape?
A career comes with objectification?
"It comes with the territory."
Not on my watch, it doesn't. I'm done. I'm picking up my flag and moving out of this territory.
I'm changing the narrative: this is abuse and you don't have to take it.
I needed to vent and get these things off my chest. I needed to share this with women that would understand. I needo share this because my own traumas are resurfacing and I want to help others.
Thank you for reading.
[–]Keddsy 4 points5 points6 points (8 children) | Copy Link
I think you're reading too much into this. The author is just frustrated with the situation and rightly so. Elderly care nurses cop some serious shit and old Bob over there may appear to be sweet but at night gets very handsy.
I think the comparison to spousal rape is to do with the statement "o you signed up for this" like marriage automatically means you have to have sex when your partner wants to because you signed up to it.
No one should be forced into having sex just because you're married. That goes both ways.
No one deserves to be sexually assaulted on shift as part of the job. Yes these people are old and senile but does not give them automatic immunity to repercussions. That's what the author is stating she will observe and tackle it together with their staff and address the behaviour. The current generation in nursing homes are of the very old school breed where blokes see women as second class citizens. That's just not cool.
OP your post just comes off petty and not something for men's rights. They aren't targeting men specifically just venting their frustration over the situation. This could very well have been a male nurse where the patient was a little ol lady who gets handsy and thinks o your a nurse it's part of the job. No one deserves to be treated that way and it's not a woman or man thing, it's a human thing.
[–]lqdizzle 0 points1 point2 points (7 children) | Copy Link
Dude this is a crosspost, OP isn’t posting about men’s rights. This is also clear from context
If you can’t get why spousal rape is not a good thing to compare nursing home care to then I think you will remain unconvinced by any other argument.
[–]Keddsy 2 points3 points4 points (6 children) | Copy Link
Ok sorry I meant your post is coming off petty. Spousal rape is horrible but your title is BS. Nothing in that authors post is targeting men specifically except for mentioning about grabbing ass. They want to correct the behaviour so it doesn't happen to others. I don't see anything wrong with that.
The author of the other post doesn't want to get touched inappropriately and that makes it a bad thing? Or you getting bent out of shape because they are saying getting touched is on the same level as rape?
If it's the latter that's a weird thing to get upset over.
[–]lqdizzle 0 points1 point2 points (5 children) | Copy Link
No just seems very nurse Ratchet to me. I have no skin in this so petty isn’t right, just came across it and it seemed crazy to me.
I don’t expect a cop to stand there and get shot if he’s being charged by a guy with a gun, of course. But if someone just got on the force and wrote all this I’d be a little worried about this person being too gung ho. I’d also wonder how often he thought that worse case scenario happens. This lady is looking for a wrong to right and she’ll find one. It’s a bad combo for someone in her specific field. She isn’t suited for the line of work. Its not really an MRA thing I guess it’s more interesting to me to see it in juxtaposition to how in Two X this is viewed somehow as “female positive”
[–]iloveyoubutyou 1 point2 points3 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Nurse Rached? You're going to compare a woman deciding she won't put up with being touched inappropriately to a nurse who subjected her patients to shock therapy and lobotomization?
[–]lqdizzle -1 points0 points1 point (3 children) | Copy Link
I’m going to use the reference from a book and movie to conjure up the archetype of the “bad nurse” as someone who masquerades as a caregiver but really is exercising control.
And let’s get it right it’s being touched incorrectly. A dementia patient doesn’t know what appropriate is
[–]LettuceBeGrateful 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
What exactly is a nurse supposed to do if she's touched inappropriately by a patient, according to you?
[–]lqdizzle -1 points0 points1 point (1 child) | Copy Link
Distract and redirect. It’s like the first thing they’re taught when dealing with dementia
[–]LettuceBeGrateful 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Right...but where are you getting nefarious vibes of anything else from the TwoX post? Maybe I missed something, but I'm not seeing anything that will lead to patient harm.
[+]-Baljeet-Tjinder-1 points [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link
I don’t really get why this is something to get upset over
Woman working in difficult industry faces abuse in the workplace and is frustrated that they get away with sexual abuse because they’re old
Then takes about how isn’t of just letting it happen she will confront these people,
What’s the issue?
[–]lqdizzle -1 points0 points1 point (11 children) | Copy Link
She directly equates elderly patients behavior with spousal rape, no I don’t think I’m being a little dramatic. That’s an atypical point of view for anyone, let alone an advocate for the elderly.
She’s going to confront the elderly dementia patient who thinks it’s 1978 and she’s his dead wife? That sounds like what a normal uneducated might do in a weird and scary situation with a person who is confused. I think a professional caregiver for the elderly would be prepared for this eventuality. The supervisor of a crew of caregivers even more so.
[+]-Baljeet-Tjinder-2 points [recovered] (10 children) | Copy Link
So what, tolerate sexual assault?
Instead of stepping in and potentially stopping it?
And she isn’t equivocating the two, she’s comparing the idea that it’s something sign up for when you go into the business, which it isn’t
It’s a comparison of two similar sexist notions with overarching similarities, not a baseline literal comparison
[–]lqdizzle -3 points-2 points-1 points (9 children) | Copy Link
How would you feel about this letter being written by someone taking over a preschool or kindergarten? Kids sometimes touch each other and staff inappropriately. It’s one of many things someone in that field needs to be vigilant about. If they were focused on that specific aspect of their new job to this degree and with this passion, I would be concerned about dropping off my loved ones.
I’m pretty surprised at how anyone would be ok with equivocating it with spousal rape. To me that was like the obvious sign this person was off the deep end.
Edit: the letter f
[+]-Baljeet-Tjinder-4 points [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link
Children are in different levels maturity wise compared to elderly people
They will act out of innocence
It’s naive to say elderly people are completely innocent in the situation, you keep falling back on one fantasy scenario as an excuse rather than acknowledging many old people are creeps who don’t care anymore living from an outdated sexist mindset / stance on women
The care people don’t need to sit by and excuse sexual assault
Also, the comparison made between spousal rape and this is not meant to be taken literally
it’s the highlighting of how obviously the sexist backwards notion that signing up for marriage is signing up to be raped by your husband
In the similar train of thought, people are wrongly saying that signing up for a care home entails sexual assault
They’re 2 scenarios with a similar unfair train of backwards logic, and op is pointing that out and suggesting women specifically don’t need to stand for sexual assault in the workplace, hence the confronting of these elderly people
Your post is just a petty jab at women, if anything counterproductive to this subs point because it paints people as ignorant and unsympathetic
[–]Keddsy 3 points4 points5 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Agreed with your comment. If people want to take this sub seriously there's got to be less pettiness and ignorance.
[–]lqdizzle -2 points-1 points0 points (6 children) | Copy Link
If you wanted someone to watch your cat for a long weekend you’d want to meet them and get a vibe for how caring they are. If they gave you this you wouldn’t drop your cat off. I don’t want to drop my dad off to her. If she’s venting maybe but again, you’d have to guess she doesn’t say that. You have to actively try to make this not an awful post
[+]-Baljeet-Tjinder-3 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link
What’s wrong with how she’s reacting
A woman is frustrated that creepy old men are sexually assaulting her and of all thing ways to react, you’re getting upset that she has the audacity to speak out against sexual assault?
Are elderly people above the law? Do they not deserve any repercussions because they’re old? A free pass for degenerate behaviour for living a long time?
And using deliberately flakey metaphors to try and send a already flakey message isn’t doing you any favours
What is the issue, genuinely, what. Someone is upset that ignorant people excuse sexual assault, how are they in any way in the wrong for speaking out against it and taking actions to make themselves and other women safer and happier in an already incredibly tough and stressful job
[–]lqdizzle -1 points0 points1 point (4 children) | Copy Link
2/3 of the people in nursing facilities are in cognitive decline. Some studies say more. I’m not talking about uncle touchy having a 75th birthday and getting a free pass. Nursing facilities are mental health facilities as well.
A nurse at a nursing home is frustrated that old men are acting in a predictable way consistent with their medical conditions. Nothing wrong with that I wouldn’t put up with that either, I’d leave. I would be an awful nurse. Time to leave that job.
No they aren’t above the law nor are they criminals. The law considers “mens rea” in cases like these.
I know some think mental health problems aren’t real health problems - they are. The elderly lose control of their balance, bladder and impulse control with an equal lack of choice as their health declines. They go to specialized hospitals called nursing homes to deal with these things because their families can’t or won’t. The staff there has specific extra training to deal with these scenarios because they will occur. If they didn’t have that training they might do what any normal person would do and punish the elderly person - which wouldn’t prevent anything from recurring.
[+]-Baljeet-Tjinder-3 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link
Does cognitive decline excuse what they’re doing though?
Why should these women just grin and bear it when they can do something about it and try and stop the groping?
There’s nothing wrong about venting frustrations, and it’s again naive to imply a majority of these elderly people are detached enough from realty to not know what they’re doing
This behaviour shouldn’t be tolerated
[–]lqdizzle 1 point2 points3 points (2 children) | Copy Link
It excuses them the people from repercussions or blame yes. It’s easy to prevent this behavior without punishment.
67% or more of patients in nursing homes are in cognitive decline. 50% have diagnosed dementia. I don’t know where you draw the line at naive. But that’s just the math, more than half have dementia and only 60% are under 85. This is the pool of abusers.
No one is saying this behaviour should be tolerated and Im not implying it. I reject your straw man.
[–]Really-Thisagain 3 points4 points5 points (6 children) | Copy Link
She isn't saying she is going to beat them. Just confront them and correct their behavior.
Although the language was sensational (everything on that sub is sensational buzzwords.) the message is that she wont let the old people act like assholes.
She is only saying that during her shift she wont put up with old people groping her crew. Which is fine.
She never once said she was going to abuse them, just "If a resident is being combative and gropey, they are instructed to ensure resident safety, chart their behaviors, come get me and we will approach that resident together." NO ABUSE IS MENTIONED.
Stop getting wrapped up in sensational language.
[–]lqdizzle 3 points4 points5 points (5 children) | Copy Link
This author is a caregiver. The supervisor in charge when the elderly senile patients sleep. You didn’t have to read it carefully to make sure she was mad at guys and NOT gonna take it - that’s clear. It does take a second go over to ensure there isn’t any specific mention of abuse. Nowhere does she say “I’m so excited to have more responsibility and help more people”. Doesn’t even get into the same area code as that.
Give this lady your dad when he’s older. Maybe he’ll pat her bottom because he thinks she’s his wife from 45 years ago and she’ll cuff him to the bed for two days because her uncle touched her when she was 11. No one should be touched inappropriately but nurses male female or non binary in a home for dementia have special requirements.
No one is the bad guy here but she clearly shouldn’t be nursing. You know this.
[–]Really-Thisagain 4 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
She is not excited, she is frustrated that older patients get away with abusing staff. You are jumping to conclusions way out in left field.
However, I do agree that she sounds like she cannot handle the stress of nursing.
[–]lqdizzle 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
I think you misunderstood what I was saying about she’s not excited. She got a new job, promoted, just now. This is her statement. Most people when they get promoted are happy and excited. Particularly those in caregiving fields express sentiments like “I can finally help 20 people a shift!”
This sounds like someone who is excited to correct wrongs from her own past on people that had nothing to do with it.
And side note - you should never mix metaphors. A person is either jumping to conclusions or they are out in left field. Saying they are both is like putting a hat on a hat while walking and chewing gum. See? It’s confusing.
[+]AreYou4RealM8 -7 points-6 points-5 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Exactly. If you don't want to be sexually assaulted, you shouldn't be a nurse. Sex assault comes with the job and suggesting otherwise is elder abuse.
[–]iloveyoubutyou 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
That's like telling a man that if he doesn't want to get falsely accused, he shouldn't have sex. Victim blaming.
[–]lqdizzle 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
If you don’t want to ever be assaulted you shouldn’t be a nurse in certain types of facilities. Yes. That’s true. In a psychiatric ward for instance sometimes their lives are in jeopardy.
[–]GltyUntlPrvnInncnt 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, it's TwoX. I'm not surprised, they're mostly misandrists over there.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Eh, honestly I read the post and I'm having difficulty finding fault or anything along the lines of what you're suggesting.
Would you mind quoting the problematic sections, as you see them?
[–]lqdizzle 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
She says the “root problem is enabling behaviors”. Dementia is an unstoppable decline, enabling has nothing to do with it because you can’t choose to stop having it through will power therapy or drugs.
She identifies herself as a woman expected to be putting up with this not as a nurse. To me this strongly implies that she thinks of them as men first and not patients first. I don’t think that’s disqualifies someone alone but it’s not great.
She equates her bosses telling her that she ought to be gracious with the tolerance of spousal rape: a lifetime sentence of victimization. Maybe she was being hyperbolic for effect but since people catch shit for the phrase “statutory rape” I’m shocked that alone isn’t enough to raise a few eyebrows as to her motives.
I call into question it being correctly called abuse at all. These patients have no malice afore thought and while the behavior needs to not be tolerated it’s not the same at all as someone ducking the advances of a creepy boss. This person took the real fear of abusive men and is misguidedly attaching it to her job dealing with ill and vulnerable men and women. Only 60% of Americans in eldercare are under 85, more than half have dementia.
Also, in a nursing home the men are very much the minority. A few bad apples in her experience might make her jump to some prejudiced conclusions.
[–]ShortTailBoa 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
These people are straight up evil. A lot of these old people could be senile or have dementia and they just don't care. They have no empathy for anyone and it's terrible.
This person needs to be fired and I wish I could report them to wherever they work. This is straight up elderly abuse and it's disgusting.
[–]lqdizzle 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
She’s the third shift supervisor. Gimme a break this sounds like part of a villains origin story...terrifying
[–]LettuceBeGrateful 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
How is she evil? It sounds like she's frustrated that her boundaries are being constantly violated. Just because someone has dementia doesn't mean their caregivers should tolerate harassment.