Are mens rights against neurodiversity or fighting against ableism because someone said that they were in conflict with those views

duhhhh · 2021-01-03T18:48:09+00:00

Someone was wrong.

Panderjit_SinghVV · 2021-01-03T19:43:34+00:00

Feminists can’t abide anything that might threaten their privilege and so they constantly smear men’s rights proponents with baseless accusations.

It’s just men wanting equal rights with women.

alclarkey · 2021-01-03T20:59:44+00:00

I don't care about those things, but that position is unrelated to my championship of Men's rights.

g1455ofwater · 2021-01-03T20:22:41+00:00

You have been misinformed, feminism is an enemy of people with disabilities and you should be careful around them and protect yourself. Feminists will abuse you but also use you to push forward their own agenda.

I used to be on a forum that was strongly and proudly pro feminist and they would consistently degrade and ridicule men with disabilities and if you stood up for those men you would be dogpiled on and eventually permanently banned.

Feminists are the most hateful and vicious ableists I've ever encountered.

FirstBastion · 2021-01-03T21:26:39+00:00

Really ask yourself why would men's rights activist be against supporting men or any human for that matter who struggle with disabilities? This makes no sense and honestly sounds like the usual demonization of MRA that is very popular among so-called champions of equality that online feminists pretend to be.

Also you should try not to see online forums for men's rights or any other forum as an organized group, or even an ideology. Anyone can proclaim themselves MRA or feminist on the internet. Is that any reason to hate certain groups of people? Of course not.

So even if you did find people here against your rights as a disabled person, would that be hard evidence to oppose any good work that is done towards improving people's lives and advocating for actual equality? No, that just means someone is an asshole on the internet.

Vaultdweller1001V · 2021-01-03T18:47:40+00:00

Liberalism and Feminism are different.

whatafoolishsquid · 2021-01-03T21:50:32+00:00

Feminism is a cult, an identity, so they try to convert people and steer them away from the "other." Hence why you could agree with every stance a feminist has, but if you don't identity with the label "feminist," they'll crucify you.

novhaku · 2021-01-03T21:52:42+00:00

I'm autistic myself.

There is no problem between neurodiversity and men's rights by itself. In fact, autistic men often face huge problems and are treated in ridiculous ways for any stupid reason, like their body language being misunderstood or what they do or say because they're awkward socially being misunderstood even a little bit. Which is a fairly big problem. What could be problematic is if the activism follows the framework of "the whole word needs to change for ME, I don't have to adapt at all myself, I'm perfect, just accept me behaving like trash, I have the right to and don't have to since I have an excuse, I am socially awkward"; which is the kind of entitlement some might see as reminiscent of feminism (basically, confusing understanding/tolerance with entitlement/egotism/lack of good will and understanding) and react negatively to.

Basically, no, it's not a problem by itself and MRA support ""disabled"" people. It's just the kind of people you'll find in ND SJW activist communities that are giving an extremely bad name (often out of pure selfishness, rather than wanting to live together; being, say, autistic doesn't mean that you'll be a good, non-selfish person) to neurodiverse communities, which can lead to some being critical of it (I myself am a LOT, being quite familiar with the "anti-ableist" crowd and its bad apples that are closer to supremacists than anything else). MRA does care about the story of, say, young autistic men suffering like this one. https://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/k326i2/autistic_man_exonerated_after_woman_admits_she/

The only part I could see that is problematic is if said activism is done feminism-style, which is to say, "I'm the center of the world, change absolutely everything according to my whims, world!, for I am your oppressed god!".

Feminists overall like to play the card of the "we're tolerant and accepting of everyone". But when it comes to pure facts, your views will only be acceptable for "feminists" if you accept the initial framework they give you (patriarchy, toxic masculinity, oppression narrative, etc) that you have to build upon and that is often overly simplistic . As an example, as you could see in my post history, I'm quite opposed to the idea of "toxic masculinity" as being explained by "gender roles" alone and that's it, since the explanation is a lot more complicated than this and I don't like scapegoating using some kind of invisible force in order to avoid really addressing the problem. This wouldn't fly with feminism, since TM and "gender roles" are often used as THE easy explanation for everything autistic people go through when it comes to social pressure and problems socializing, denying me that it is THE core of the problem and that's it (sorry, I don't like blaming ghosts) would make ironically enough make me "auti-autistic" to these people, since I'm not "supporting" autistic people in the way that is accepted by them. Feminists """"supports"""" autistic people.... As long as their activism go their way.

MRA overall isn't judgmental about that. Just don't deny the suffering everyone goes through while blaming an imaginary system of white ND males ruining everything for everyone else and that is the main problem and only thing that should change, and you're probably set.

Title	Are mens rights against neurodiversity or fighting against ableism because someone said that they were in conflict with those views
Author	Metal80492
Upvotes	0
Comments	8
Date	January 3, 2021 6:29 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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